Here is one of the more current. The gear that is on armorey is mostly right though my voloet signet of the masters is not on there. Other then that ya. That brings my hit rating to 96. I also use every raid a flask of relentless. Kibblers and Ravenger Dogs. I use a Cat for raids. Hope this helkps a bit more.
/petattack should still work if you tack it on at the start of the macro, but you might have to give up Intimidation. As long as I'm not on global cooldown (I even wait an extra second just to be sure), hitting that macro once will use all the abilities and my bottom trinket, or if its not up (I use two ap on use trinkets atm) my top one, and start casting aimed shot. You can probably remove the blood fury line, but I dunno what happens if a non-orc uses the macro. Try it with that line left in first anyway.
Ya i have another macro fo r the rapid fire all together. But on a positive noe i just finally got my office to work and checked out cheekeys spreadsheet. Wow thats intense. I guess i shouldnt be worrying that much because acording to the spreadsheet i shoud be right around the 983dps mark ...774 w/o pet. so i am just a bit shy but the that could be because my hit is only at 96. Anyway thanks everyone for the help i was starting to worry. Also i have my Shot rotation macro binded to my mouse wheel.
Here is one of the more current. The gear that is on armorey is mostly right though my voloet signet of the masters is not on there. Other then that ya. That brings my hit rating to 96. I also use every raid a flask of relentless. Kibblers and Ravenger Dogs. I use a Cat for raids. Hope this helkps a bit more.
As was said you miss a few key talents for your pet. Go for the throat I would say is a must have fore a BM hunter.
According to the WWS you pet has very low damage output. I could understand that if you run it out of poundings, but with the amout of damage it takes it doesn't seem so. Does it have the Avoidance skill?
Where is Bite? I would guess you could add at least 80 dps from pet alone. Plus more pet attacks -> more pet crits -> more FI for you.
Edit: You seem to miss alot of pet talents. Think You need to realize how big a part of your dps is from your pet as BM.
Anyway get Go for the throat and Bestial Discipline as was already said. I would get Animal Handler as well. Need more pet damage!
This is such a great site, and I've been following its posts for a long time.
This will be my 1st post.
In patch 2.4, three new T6 pieces of armor will be introduced, thus it will now be possible to benefit from both T5 and T6 set bonuses, so for my final WotLK gear I decided (mainly through using cheeky's mba spreadsheet) to go for 4 T5 and 4 T6 pieces of armor for the best possible DPS and survivability both in raids and solo for the race to level 80, while maximizing my hit rating through the use of accessories and possibly the new badge xbow.
I'd like your opinion on whether you think going for both set bonuses are the way to go or not because sunwell boss drops might give better dps than t5 despite the set bonus?
At the moment I have the T5 gloves, leggings and shoulders.
We have already downed vashj and I didn't roll for the T5 helm, and we are in the process of trying to down kael. What I need to do is decide whether to go for the chest piece or the helm.
Well the T5 Helm isn't that good and the S3 helm is much better. The chest is nice, especially if it gives you a 4 x T5.
I presume at some point, 4xT5 and 4xT6 will be out-DPS'd by more pieces of T6 or equivalent Sunwell gear. I have 4xT5 (with S3 Helm) and it amazing as a BM hunter doing BT/Hyjal.
I got a question, I've not liked beast master at all, and i've been wondering about respeccing to survival, what are the "requirements" you should have before making the respec? people have been saying you pretty much just need 600agility. what else should i aim for before respecing? is it even worth it this early on? my guild im currently in is only on "the eye".
Hello all,
i have a question about the talent screech of the owls ...
My raid leaders want all hunter to get an owl for de decreasin AP debuff ...
Have anybody already tested this thing and do someone know if this debuff is adding with all other debuffs ...
I'm trying to optimize my damage for a 3:2 rotation. I've been using Cheeky's spreadsheet to plan improvements, but I'm running into a problem determining if I'm using it correctly. To compound problems I can't get any of the buttons to work, so it takes a long time to set up. I've got the DST and I-AotH, and I use Rapid Fire when ever I can. WWS shows my final shots being about 1:1 over boss fights, so I think I'm clipping a lot of shots. And, if any of my haste abilities stack I am below 1.7 attack speed.
Am I losing DPS here? Should I drop the DST (I can replace it with the Hourglass)? I-AotH? Should I not use Rapid Fire? If the Tsumani Talisman drops should I use that instead of the DST?
I'm trying to optimize my damage for a 3:2 rotation. I've been using Cheeky's spreadsheet to plan improvements, but I'm running into a problem determining if I'm using it correctly. To compound problems I can't get any of the buttons to work, so it takes a long time to set up. I've got the DST and I-AotH, and I use Rapid Fire when ever I can. WWS shows my final shots being about 1:1 over boss fights, so I think I'm clipping a lot of shots. And, if any of my haste abilities stack I am below 1.7 attack speed.
Am I losing DPS here? Should I drop the DST (I can replace it with the Hourglass)? I-AotH? Should I not use Rapid Fire? If the Tsumani Talisman drops should I use that instead of the DST?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Do you have any WWS links for us? 1:1 may simply be occuring instead of a 3:2 because of Haste procs. If you're using a macro involving these two basics:
/cast !Autoshot
/cast Steady Shot
It's automatically adjusting for the speed changes. If you're using it, you'll only clip when a 3:2 is possible, at which point it should be a DPS increase anyway. If you're below 1.7 speed, you're probably alright. I'd start to worry when my attack speed was faster than my GCD. If they do all stack, you can drop Steadies and just alternate Multi and Arcane until you slow up again and feel comfortable timing Steady, if you're doing it manually.
I use that macro, along with the KC and LB fluff for my pet. and my final ratio ends up being about 1.25 specials for every Auto on boss fights. I usually blow Drums of Battle at least, twice, Rapid Fire at least once, and the particular logs I've been breaking down, I also have Heroism.
I'm trying to optimize my damage for a 3:2 rotation. I've been using Cheeky's spreadsheet to plan improvements, but I'm running into a problem determining if I'm using it correctly. To compound problems I can't get any of the buttons to work, so it takes a long time to set up. I've got the DST and I-AotH, and I use Rapid Fire when ever I can. WWS shows my final shots being about 1:1 over boss fights, so I think I'm clipping a lot of shots. And, if any of my haste abilities stack I am below 1.7 attack speed.
Am I losing DPS here? Should I drop the DST (I can replace it with the Hourglass)? I-AotH? Should I not use Rapid Fire? If the Tsumani Talisman drops should I use that instead of the DST?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Whatever you do, do NOT stop using DST in pve. Clipping auto shots is kinda the point of the 3:2 rotation, so don't worry if you're doing it.
Hello all,
i have a question about the talent screech of the owls ...
My raid leaders want all hunter to get an owl for de decreasin AP debuff ...
Have anybody already tested this thing and do someone know if this debuff is adding with all other debuffs ...
thx in advance
The debuff stacks, or did pre-BC. However, I don't think it stacks with the Screech from other owls. If you have a Marks or Surv hunter, I'd talk to your raid leader about having just one hunter using it. Owls really aren't even in the top three DPS pets for BM. Convince him/her/they that it may be decreasing hunter DPS to have all of your hunters using one.
Do you have any WWS links for us? 1:1 may simply be occuring instead of a 3:2 because of Haste procs. If you're using a macro involving these two basics:
/cast !Autoshot
/cast Steady Shot
It's automatically adjusting for the speed changes. If you're using it, you'll only clip when a 3:2 is possible, at which point it should be a DPS increase anyway. If you're below 1.7 speed, you're probably alright. I'd start to worry when my attack speed was faster than my GCD. If they do all stack, you can drop Steadies and just alternate Multi and Arcane until you slow up again and feel comfortable timing Steady, if you're doing it manually.
I use that macro, along with the KC and LB fluff for my pet. and my final ratio ends up being about 1.25 specials for every Auto on boss fights. I usually blow Drums of Battle at least, twice, Rapid Fire at least once, and the particular logs I've been breaking down, I also have Heroism.
Lindelle and Jurgen,
Thank you for the quick responses. I am using the 3:2 spam-macro that both of you mentioned in your posts. My pet is a WS and I have bite, lightning breath, and kill command in my macro.
Here is a recent WWS link for Tidewalker and Karathress: Wow Web Stats
... and another for Karathree: Wow Web Stats
I'm looking for any suggestions for improving. If the Tsunami Talisman drops do I replace the Bloodlust Broach with that? I'll have my t5 pants as soon as they drop and I'm saving badges for new crossbow when 2.4 goes live. Is there anything I'm missing?
I have a question regarding my hunter alt, armory link included at bottom of post.
I've done a fair amount of testing after scouring these hunter threads for information, but can't seem to settle on a conclusion. I'm currently using the 3:2 macro from the BM bible thread which reads like this:
Is it still worth spamming this macro when I've blown rapid fire, or beserking, or both, and then quick shots procs?
I can see fairly clearly from my recount data that when under the effect of any one of those haste effects, the macro spam is still the way to go, but when 2 or 3 haste effects become involved, due to the random nature of quick shots proccing, I can't seem to come to my own conclusion on the matter.
I'm torn between just saving all the timers and beastial wrath up, and blowing them all at once and just using multi and arcane between the hasted autos, or trying to stagger them out using one timer at a time. But like I said, due to the random nature of quick shots, I'm having a hard time establishing some kind of control benchmark and working out which is the higher dps route.
Gear and spec are a work in progress, but I'm comfortable with my ability to improve upon them under my own steam, having said that, feel free to throw any criticism in there.
Ok some how i made it to 70th lvl :P and i have always used the MM tree. ok now i have switched over to the BM tree 41/20/0 and i keep hearing about this shot macro.. Could someone please explain how it works and how i use it.. i read the shot rotation post on another thread but was totaly lost.. Any help would be appreciated Thx
I have a question regarding my hunter alt, armory link included at bottom of post.
I've done a fair amount of testing after scouring these hunter threads for information, but can't seem to settle on a conclusion. I'm currently using the 3:2 macro from the BM bible thread which reads like this:
Is it still worth spamming this macro when I've blown rapid fire, or beserking, or both, and then quick shots procs?
I can see fairly clearly from my recount data that when under the effect of any one of those haste effects, the macro spam is still the way to go, but when 2 or 3 haste effects become involved, due to the random nature of quick shots proccing, I can't seem to come to my own conclusion on the matter.
I'm torn between just saving all the timers and beastial wrath up, and blowing them all at once and just using multi and arcane between the hasted autos, or trying to stagger them out using one timer at a time. But like I said, due to the random nature of quick shots, I'm having a hard time establishing some kind of control benchmark and working out which is the higher dps route.
Gear and spec are a work in progress, but I'm comfortable with my ability to improve upon them under my own steam, having said that, feel free to throw any criticism in there.
Unless your total hasted attack speed is faster than your GCD, which I'm not sure is possible right now, the 3:2 macro should adjust naturally. It definitly produces better timing than timing manually does for me under a lot of stacking haste procs.
To Fastpaws
The macro listed in his post, minus the sound effects, is the 3:2 macro. All you do really is just spam it.
I have my own question:
I'm not normally the hunter that marks during raids. I let one with points in IHM do it. However, they're not exactly good at keeping the buff up past the two minutes on the original cast. Is there a mod that will let me see how long their mark has left on it so I can refresh it? I was thinking NECB, but it's been so long since I've used it that I don't know.
So I am a BM hunter and will be progressing through sunwell plateau in 2.4. A lot of the appealing gear in there is leather armor pen gear. Namely the pants (Leggings of Immortal Night), the chest (Bladed Chaos Tunic), the crafted gloves (Gloves of Immortal Dusk), and the next cursed vision that drops. While all this plus some of the other new sunwell stuff is a HUGE dps upgrade, but it will cut my raid buffed mana pool from 8500 down to about 6500 according to cheeky's. How much is this goina suck? The only current fight I have severe mana issues on is Council. And yes, I have plenty of fel mana pots.
I'm sure that this question has already been asked somewhere, but I could not find it. So here it goes.
I was wondering what the stats where that I should aim for as a BM Hunter. To go to karazhan
At the moment my stats are thus: 8k health, 5,5k mana, 470agi, 1209AP, 16,89% Crit, 20Hit.
In this mornings Arcatraz run I produced a solid 591.6 DPS over the entire instance. Most of my gear now is crappy green, having about 4 blue items and the shoulders from the PVP set. I really dont like PVP so I'm not getting the rest of the set.
I hope someone can give me some insight on what to aim for. If you need any more info let me know.
I'm sure that this question has already been asked somewhere, but I could not find it. So here it goes.
I was wondering what the stats where that I should aim for as a BM Hunter. To go to karazhan
At the moment my stats are thus: 8k health, 5,5k mana, 470agi, 1209AP, 16,89% Crit, 20Hit.
In this mornings Arcatraz run I produced a solid 591.6 DPS over the entire instance. Most of my gear now is crappy green, having about 4 blue items and the shoulders from the PVP set. I really dont like PVP so I'm not getting the rest of the set.
I hope someone can give me some insight on what to aim for. If you need any more info let me know.
P.s. I don't use a shot rotation macro.
Depends if you are being boosted by Players who are just farming it for badges or trying it with a new guild trying to learn the instance.
For a boost, it really doesn't matter that much, not making mistakes is more important than your personal DPS.
If you are trying to learn it... I would of been unimpressed at hunter turning up for Kara without being mostly kitted out in Blue and crafted purple. It's easy enough to get crafted epics, blue drops and even blue quest rewards.
(For eg: Mail Armor - Items - World of Warcraft is a list of quest rewards)
Specifically your +to hit is definitely to low - that will lower your DPS heavily on Raid Bosses, get the [Sonic Spear], or grind for the Mag'har axe [Hellscream's Will] (or the ally Halberd equivalent). In addition, off the top of my head, there's a couple of decent blue necklaces with a goodly wedge of +hit on them from questlines, the Thrall chain and the Natasha chain if my memory is working.
Depends if you are being boosted by Players who are just farming it for badges or trying it with a new guild trying to learn the instance.
For a boost, it really doesn't matter that much, not making mistakes is more important than your personal DPS.
If you are trying to learn it... I would of been unimpressed at hunter turning up for Kara without being mostly kitted out in Blue and crafted purple. It's easy enough to get crafted epics, blue drops and even blue quest rewards.
(For eg: Mail Armor - Items - World of Warcraft is a list of quest rewards)
Specifically your +to hit is definitely to low - that will lower your DPS heavily on Raid Bosses, get the [Sonic Spear], or grind for the Mag'har axe [Hellscream's Will] (or the ally Halberd equivalent). In addition, off the top of my head, there's a couple of decent blue necklaces with a goodly wedge of +hit on them from questlines, the Thrall chain and the Natasha chain if my memory is working.
Edit: Extra bracket removed.
I see... Well I know that my gear at the moment is really bad. I only dinged 70 2 days ago. Currently working hard on all the pre-quests, gear and hit upgrades. But from my understand of your explaination, I should try to reach the hitcap? or atleast get about 100 + hit
And replace everything with blue's/craftebles/badge items.
As for the guild, I have yet to find myself a good guild. Unfortunatly everyone is looking for healers and tanks, and are full on DPS slots. Let alone a hunter... Is it any good that I out dps a frost mage in full gladiator/vindicator gear? I have no idea on that. But the guild that im kinda looking for is hopefully already working on Karazhan.
I have read a lot of the theorycrafting that goes on here and feel I use it to the best of my ability,
but now that I have access to some WWS reports I was wondering if I could get any help on how to up my DPS.
Here is the WWS from my 1st foray into Hyjal.
and my gear is on the armory(but I swap out some pieces so i can get around 130HR for bosses)
02/21/08, 4:57 PM
Does it have the Avoidance skill?
