Ok, sorry if this has been answered previously in this thread or another, kinda new here. I've been raiding MM for a while now, my guild just killed Arch and we are starting to work on Bloodboil this week. I do well over 1k dps, consistent top 5 damage, and often top 1-3 (BM orc hunter normally has top spot).
I use the steady/auto macro, weaving in Arcane and Multi-shots. When Improved Aspect of the Hawk procs, which is often, I tend to clip. I seem to be able to keep better control of my rotation in Aspect of the Viper.
What I'm wondering is, is it worth specing out of Imp Hawk so I can stay in Hawk w/o a haste proc, or should I keep Imp Hawk and switch to a 1:1 rotation when it procs?
Currently using the 2.9 speed Legionkiller, also have the 3.0 ZA bow available to me.
Ok, sorry if this has been answered previously in this thread or another, kinda new here. I've been raiding MM for a while now, my guild just killed Arch and we are starting to work on Bloodboil this week. I do well over 1k dps, consistent top 5 damage, and often top 1-3 (BM orc hunter normally has top spot).
I use the steady/auto macro, weaving in Arcane and Multi-shots. When Improved Aspect of the Hawk procs, which is often, I tend to clip. I seem to be able to keep better control of my rotation in Aspect of the Viper.
What I'm wondering is, is it worth specing out of Imp Hawk so I can stay in Hawk w/o a haste proc, or should I keep Imp Hawk and switch to a 1:1 rotation when it procs?
Currently using the 2.9 speed Legionkiller, also have the 3.0 ZA bow available to me.
You have some nice gear, especially trinkets XD. Howitzer is prolly the man to talk to, but I'll give you my 2c. The "ideal," which may be unreachable or not worth reaching, with speccing marks is to get enough haste rating to push you down to a 1:1 rotation, thereby competing with BM! Or so the theory went. With the new /cast macro it's unlikely anything will ever touch BM for single target dps.
That said, as long as you're hell-bent on sticking w/ marks, just realize that small amounts of haste really do nothing as long as you're maintaining a 2 special:1 auto rotation. If you happen to come upon a DST and 5 or 6 more pieces of epic haste gear in the near future, then by all means stick w/ imp aoth, because it will help enormously in your efforts to keep an efficient 1:1 rotation.
However, while small amounts of haste (i.e. imp aoth procs) won't help you much, they won't hurt you, either. Frankly, there isn't any other talent that's worth putting those points into, from a dps perspective, so you might as well save yourself some gold and keep imp aoth. If nothing else, it'll help you feel productive during trash clears when you're too lazy to weave specials :P
edit: legionkiller and ancient amani are likely about tied. Ideally, I think you want the slowest weapon as long as you're still running the 2 special:1 auto. But there is the increased wpn dmg and crit to factor in on the crossbow. If only you were a troll to make the decision easy...
I know that this is common question, but still I want to know if can improve my gear and DPS and if I can then how. Atm out guild raids SSC 2 bosses and TK 2 bosses. Learning Alar. I still need to get VR legging and hydros chest, belt I will get soon (craftable). I have both sunfury bow and gun from Big Woolf, should I go to gun instead of bow?
I'm new to this and I kindly ask for assistance. My guild has 3/4 TK and 2/6 in SSC, so you can imagine the gear level. Here's my armory link. As you can see, I'm hybrid/surv heavy specced and using a WS as a pet. I'm specced hybrid due to gear and gems, the rest of the raiding hunters in my guild are either BM or MM.
I took a look at WWS from last night and my dps on VR kill seems really low to me. Granted, I got targeted by orb about 10 times and if you add the orbs on raiders next to me I had to move quite a bit. I used a 3:2 macro for the entire fight.
Some time ago (and while was BM, with my good old Sian Rotam) I peaked just a bit over 1k dps, having different gloves, belt and boots (all my current are upgrades to what I had), while my sustained dps was roughly 950 (I don't have a WWS link on those, since the account we're using is not premium and the links have expired).
I'd like some feedback on how much dps should be expected from someone having gear level as I do. Only asking for ball park figure of course. I'm guessing the macro fails and/or I'm doing something horribly wrong, but, in all honesty, I can't seem to pinpoint exactly where.
Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated; thanks for taking the time to read this
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I am a member of a semi-casual guild, or progression is kinda slow, we have only downed VR 2 times. A few of my guildmates have some T5 gear. I am currently working up to my T5 gear, but the going is slow for obvious reasons. I want to not have to use PVP on my toon, if at all possible, however I want to continue doing maximum damage, as we get further into SSC and TK and the gear situation is on a DKP system, which many members have stacked and not played those toons for months and worked on alts, and when we break new content with new gear they decide to bring them out get in the raid just for gear, then put them back on a shelf until the next time new ground is broken. So my dilemma is this: My chances of getting my T5 shoulders is about 20 VR downs away, running TK, once a week, then I will get my shoulders sometime in July . . . I don't like PVP all that much, is there any advice anyone could give me, so I can keep progressing and not stand still waiting for better gear to drop?
I have used Cheeky's since November and it has helped me craft my toon, and thus constantly finish in the top 3, behind casters, and I almost double my class leaders damage on every fight since December! The funny thing is I have shared ALL of my information with the other hunters in my guild and they either, don't care about their performance, or they think it is too much trouble to mess with! I would like to continue to dominate my class and help my guild progress faster through content.
I picked up [Beast-tamer's Shoulders] last night and Cheeky's spreadsheet claims it's a dps upgrade, even breaking 4-piece t5 for it. I'm guessing this is through a combination of higher FI uptime and the fact that some of the hit on t5 shoulders is wasted for me right now because of available gear.
However, before I make it my main piece in every pet-friendly fight I want to be a little more sure they're actually working. I well remember the (it seems like) 3 different patches with the note that the pet crit on [Beastmaster's Gloves] "now works properly."
Can anybody think of anything else I should throw in?
I figure for methodology it should be enough to strap on a fast attack speed weapon for extra focus, remove anything I have on that procs for extra AP, autoshot with the occasional mend (too bad T5 2-piece doesn't work with blasted lands mobs at 0 hp), for x pet attacks with and without the gear. I'll dig out the power formula later and figure out what kind of sample size I need to be statistically significant at 95% certainty or whatever. Since pets attack so damn fast it shouldn't be too hard to get a good chunk of data.
Ok, sorry if this has been answered previously in this thread or another, kinda new here. I've been raiding MM for a while now, my guild just killed Arch and we are starting to work on Bloodboil this week. I do well over 1k dps, consistent top 5 damage, and often top 1-3 (BM orc hunter normally has top spot).
I use the steady/auto macro, weaving in Arcane and Multi-shots. When Improved Aspect of the Hawk procs, which is often, I tend to clip. I seem to be able to keep better control of my rotation in Aspect of the Viper.
What I'm wondering is, is it worth specing out of Imp Hawk so I can stay in Hawk w/o a haste proc, or should I keep Imp Hawk and switch to a 1:1 rotation when it procs?
Currently using the 2.9 speed Legionkiller, also have the 3.0 ZA bow available to me.
I tried specing into improved Aspect of the Hawk after reading the Markmenship Raiding post Howitzer made, but I didn't see a noticable dps different, and for my raiding situation it was easier to do without. I still dropped points in BM to get focuses fire, but I went with endurance training to try to make up for the lack of stam a number of pieces. It likely comes down to recognizing when it procs better, which I missed at times.
I should still be in my raiding MM spec when you read this, but I have been raiding with BM spec last couple of weeks and may go back. It is a fun change, but MM is still my love :P
Solid amount of armor pen, agi, AP, etc, but I fear for the lack of int. I know that int isn't supposed to be a primary hunter stat at all, but it really seems like with the way that even AOTV works, OOMing is very possible without a constant judgement and/or spriest.
Also I'm not too sure of DST. The proc is obviously not "bad" for Survival but its low static +AP seems almost like its holding the hunter back. As for a slot filler, possibly [Madness of the Betrayer] instead of DST?
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I went and did tests on Dr Boom, in order to determine what's best for my BM hunter between the Solfury bow and the Wolfslayer's rifle.
The results I got contradict the theorycrafting, cheeky's spreadsheet, the top25 BM weapons recap, and are not very coherent.
There must have been something wrong with my methodoly, which was basicaly 'stand up and shoot till OOM ensues'. I had 2xmana oils to make the fight last longer, and because I have them when I raid, put I did not pop mana pots.
excerpt from the tests:
BM, lag: 151; FPS: 70-75
no pet, 2x mana oil, 7.003 mana.
stats w/ gun: speed 1.96, PA 2.181, crit 22.33%
stats w/ bow: speed 2.1, PA 2.196, crit 21.96%
There's so much wrong with these figures, I won't event start listing the problems.I rougly montiroed critrate and hawk procs, no major irregularity threre. I used Recount has my damagemeter.
My character is Asrock on drek'thar. Mixed kara/ssc/tk/ZA gear, 1xT5, 2xT4...
What did I do wrong ?
PS: do any of you know of an addon that will let me monitor my idle time, and my pushed back autoshots, to optimize my +haste ?
Can someone please confirm what would be the top of %crit shouldnt pass because it wouldnt make difference, I read where more than 50% raid buff is more than enough crit you will ever need.
right now im at 36.70%crit , would 39%crit be the max you should aim for?
I know most discussions are about higher-end content than Karazhan, but I would like to ask for some help on what to suggest to Talyan, one of our hunters. She isn't the most advanced player in the world (wasn't much of a gamer before WoW), so things like macros and shot-rotations may difficult concepts to grasp.
Here are armory links for the 3 hunters we had, and a WWS report from our last Kara run:
All 3 are Marksman build. From the numbers, for the most part Talyan in a good amount of epic gear was doing comparable damage to Imwithhim in green machine gear, rather than Daldingo in epics.
I'm sure part of it is using Aimed Shot too much and Steady Shot not nearly enough, but what else can I advise her to do? Would there be a sizable damage increase if she switched to a Beastmaster build? I have though about having her switch to BM, but from what I've read it seems like a lot of BM's power comes from the different Steady Shot - Auto Shot macros, which I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be able to properly set up.
So, I guess my main question could be summed up into this: Would keeping the Marksman build be better, or would switching to Beastmaster build be better for a novice?
Looking at the WWS report it seems that Talyan's shot rotation is a complete mess, she needs to drop aimed shot completely, it should only ever be used when misdirecting to the tank on a boss/trash pull, regardless of spec. It resets the auto shot timer which is practically heresey.
Talyan's gear isn't bad, it's quite reasonable actually, it could do with a bit of love in the enchant/socketing department but the gear choices aren't bad ones. Hit rating is absolutely fine as well, welk above what most hunters at Kara level tend to have in my experience.
I would strongly suggest that you ask at least two of your hunters to respec to BM asap, unfortunately BM is pretty much always going to be a higher dps spec than MM with equal gear levels, it's only late t6 where you can argue the difference with any merit.
It's also pretty hard to screw up your shot rotations as a BM hunter now, just get them to use the latest steady shot "spam" macro and have them hammer it, pretty much idiot proof.
Finally, it's considered bad practice to 'stack' MM hunters as the group buff does not stack with other hunters TSA as opposed to Ferocious Inspiration (BM group buff procced by their pet).
Looking at the WWS report it seems that Talyan's shot rotation is a complete mess, she needs to drop aimed shot completely, it should only ever be used when misdirecting to the tank on a boss/trash pull, regardless of spec. It resets the auto shot timer which is practically heresey.
But i'm guessing the fact it's you asking on here not Talyan means it's likely she's not going to be reading it.
As referenced in that thread, I wrote a document sometime ago for a friend who loved playing a hunter to level (easy mode as they say...) with but wanted to take her into Kara when she got to 70; she sounds very similar to Talyan - and i wanted to explain to her how i wasn't taking her into Kara until she stopped using Aimed Shot all the time .
It's also pretty hard to screw up your shot rotations as a BM hunter now, just get them to use the latest steady shot "spam" macro and have them hammer it, pretty much idiot proof.
Idiot-proof is good. I looked through the thread and saw a LOT of macros that all looked very similar. What is the correct current "spam" macro?
One of the things I was planning on telling her to do was use Aimed Shot less, but now I'll go ahead and have her drop it completely.
The two /console lines will stop the *click* sound of the weapon when the macro is pushed but the shot is not ready. The /script line will clear the red error message if another action is in progress or the shot is not ready.
Have them try it out and see what they think of the DPS.
Edit: Looking at her armory she is MM spec. As far as I know there is not a spammable macro for MM because of shot timings with haste procs throwing off the rotations.
Has she considered going BM? With the macro above she would be putting out 1000 dps in Kara fairly easily.
Yeah, she'd most likely try BM if I asked her to. I apologize if this is asking the obvious, but I want to get this straight: All she'd have to do is just keep hitting the macro Praxx posted, or does it still require some manual timing?
I was going to raid with a guild teh other night and I was asked if I had better PVE gear then what I was wearing...I was like hmmm
Can you guys take a look at my gear, and tell me why it wont work raiding? What is it that i am missing out on? Im going to start getting the Badge reward gear soon.
Yeah, she'd most likely try BM if I asked her to. I apologize if this is asking the obvious, but I want to get this straight: All she'd have to do is just keep hitting the macro Praxx posted, or does it still require some manual timing?
Yup, use the macro posted above and just keep smacking it
It is dependant on going BM though, but as I've outlined earlier I would strongly suggest she do so anyway.
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