I was going to raid with a guild teh other night and I was asked if I had better PVE gear then what I was wearing...I was like hmmm
Can you guys take a look at my gear, and tell me why it wont work raiding? What is it that i am missing out on? Im going to start getting the Badge reward gear soon.
You are wearing almost all PVP gear from what I see on armory atm. As marksmanship, you have very low AP, in fact most BM hunters will have the AP you have. You also have nearly no hit. I can't imagine how much you miss on trash or a boss, but a shot that can't hit can't crit. Problem with PVP gear is it is set crit and survival. You may crit a lot, but you are hitting very soft compared to the PVE gear.
Also, your spec is far off from a raiding spec. No points in careful aim, gftt, and improved arcane shot.
Yup, use the macro posted above and just keep smacking it
It is dependant on going BM though, but as I've outlined earlier I would strongly suggest she do so anyway.
After doing some testing on my own hunter with the macro, I think I will have her make the switch.
About the macro though, I know it works, I've seen it work, but what I don't understand about it is, what makes the macro different than just pounding Steady Shot (which doesn't allow an auto-shot to be fired)?
After doing some testing on my own hunter with the macro, I think I will have her make the switch.
About the macro though, I know it works, I've seen it work, but what I don't understand about it is, what makes the macro different than just pounding Steady Shot (which doesn't allow an auto-shot to be fired)?
The difference is !autoshot is not a toggle. It's like using the spell on its own, hence it is first on the list in the macro as having priority. Whenever autoshot cooldown was up, the moment you mash the button, autoshot comes out with steady shot following up.
Quick pet ability question, it's not as high level as all the macro/rotation questions flying around (my hunter is only 52 but climbing fast).
I'm currently leveling a ravager and a boar as I go. This has turned out to be a huge pain because with the changes to the <60 leveling curve, I'm finding it difficult to keep both leveled without dedicating time to just grinding mobs.
Anyway, I almost derailed myself there. I feel like I've seen numerous references to bite/gore and what's the best way to use them in pet dps, and I keep seeing people suggest turning bite off and leaving gore on autocast. I was just wondering what the reasoning for doing so was? When I put Bite/Gore 9 into a spreadsheet, I get an expected value of 138 and damage/focus of 3.94 for Bite and an expected value of 84.53 and damage/focus 3.38 for Gore, assuming a 15% pet crit rate. Unless my calculations are wrong, it seems like you would want both on autocast and for the pet to just use Gore when Bite was on cooldown. Why does everyone seem to suggest otherwise? Is it really better pet dps, or is it just about keeping Ferocious Inspiration up more of the time (which I suppose just occurred to me as a possible explanation)?
Originally Posted by Bula
"They were bad, stop trying to figure out why bad players do bad things."
The only ability that you want to turn off auto cast that I am aware of is Lightning Breath for the Wind Serpent. I leave both Bite and Gore on auto cast for my ravager and don't have any problem with FI staying up.
Re: pet leveling you might consider dropping one or the other until you get higher. I believe the highest boar you can get is in EPL (60). You can get a 70 Ravager in the Netherwing Mines.
Re: pet leveling you might consider dropping one or the other until you get higher. I believe the highest boar you can get is in EPL (60). You can get a 70 Ravager in the Netherwing Mines.
Yeah I generally prefer my ravager because I've had it since level 10 (I'm sentimental like that I suppose) and because I enjoy the damage. The boar is obviously great threat, I'm mostly leveling it because I like the boar skin from RFK and don't want to have to deal with leveling it at 70. It will slow my leveling down a fair amount, but it's a good excuse to farm leather. Plus I've read building loyalty at 70 is a nightmare.
Just so this post wasn't completely pointless, do arcane/multishots clip autoshots as well? I can't seem to find any evidence of this, as my autoshots seem frequently erratic as it is. I'm trying to get used to shot weaving before 62, but it doesn't seem to make any difference when I use arcane shot (monitoring using Quartz).
Originally Posted by Bula
"They were bad, stop trying to figure out why bad players do bad things."
You are wearing almost all PVP gear from what I see on armory atm. As marksmanship, you have very low AP, in fact most BM hunters will have the AP you have. You also have nearly no hit. I can't imagine how much you miss on trash or a boss, but a shot that can't hit can't crit. Problem with PVP gear is it is set crit and survival. You may crit a lot, but you are hitting very soft compared to the PVE gear.
Also, your spec is far off from a raiding spec. No points in careful aim, gftt, and improved arcane shot.
Are ranged attacks calculated different than melee in this regard? I thought it was generally accepted that crit/hit/miss were calculated on the same roll, and therefore crit and hit were completely independent of each other unless your crit was being capped by your miss rate?
Unless ranged and melee are different, I was under the impression that crit replaced hit, and hit replaced miss, and thus statements like the bolded one were just inaccurate unless you were running with over 95% crit. Is this incorrect?
Last edited by Pixen : 02/29/08 at 4:30 PM.
Originally Posted by Bula
"They were bad, stop trying to figure out why bad players do bad things."
I have another question. When using the auto/steady shot macro, do you worry about adding in Multi-Shot and/or Arcane Shot, or just use the macro for the most damage? (I apologize if this is redundant, but after playing my own Hunter as Marksman for so long, BM seems like crazy dps with a lot less effort.)
Just so this post wasn't completely pointless, do arcane/multishots clip autoshots as well? I can't seem to find any evidence of this, as my autoshots seem frequently erratic as it is. I'm trying to get used to shot weaving before 62, but it doesn't seem to make any difference when I use arcane shot (monitoring using Quartz).
Yes, arcane and multi will bump an auto shot if they are fired close enough to when the auto would fire.
Originally Posted by Pixen
Are ranged attacks calculated different than melee in this regard? I thought it was generally accepted that crit/hit/miss were calculated on the same roll, and therefore crit and hit were completely independent of each other unless your crit was being capped by your miss rate?
Unless ranged and melee are different, I was under the impression that crit replaced hit, and hit replaced miss, and thus statements like the bolded one were just inaccurate unless you were running with over 95% crit. Is this incorrect?
There was recently some testing done on the PTR with the stacking gear bug to test 100% crit. It is discussed here.
Originally Posted by enemy5
I have another question. When using the auto/steady shot macro, do you worry about adding in Multi-Shot and/or Arcane Shot, or just use the macro for the most damage? (I apologize if this is redundant, but after playing my own Hunter as Marksman for so long, BM seems like crazy dps with a lot less effort.)
No weaving, straight steady / auto and it is a lot of DPS for little effort.
I was going to raid with a guild teh other night and I was asked if I had better PVE gear then what I was wearing...I was like hmmm
Can you guys take a look at my gear, and tell me why it wont work raiding? What is it that i am missing out on? Im going to start getting the Badge reward gear soon.
Your AP is a bit on the low side (for MM spec) and you are in desperate need of hit. Other than that I see no major issues with your gear. (Although I do hope you have other trinkets you use for DPS purposes)
Originally Posted by DeeNogger
Every time I bite into an oatmeal raisin cookie mistaken for a chocolate-chip an angle loses its wings. Fucking trani's of the cookie world!
Picked up the Bloodlust Brooch as I had the badges for it and it was on my list. It was either that or the War Feathered Loop, and according to the DPS spreadsheet, the Brooch turns into more DPS so I went ahead and got it
The nethercobra is current out of reach cost wise to me, though Im going to switch to the smaller version of it on my leggings.
Are ranged attacks calculated different than melee in this regard? I thought it was generally accepted that crit/hit/miss were calculated on the same roll, and therefore crit and hit were completely independent of each other unless your crit was being capped by your miss rate?
Unless ranged and melee are different, I was under the impression that crit replaced hit, and hit replaced miss, and thus statements like the bolded one were just inaccurate unless you were running with over 95% crit. Is this incorrect?
I was speaking more to the effect that, if you miss you aren't getting any damage from that shot, and you certainly aren't going to have a crit.
fellow hunters, looking for a little guidance here. My gear is decent and my damage usually averages around 1000 on trash, 1100-1300 on boss fights, but I'm looking to get more out of my gear.
when I'm not using a carrot on a stick I have a bloodlust brooch equipped. I also have bladefists breadth sitting in my bank, along with the bloodknight warcloak.
With that said, a few questions. Would re-gemming any of my gear positively affect my damage? If so, what gems, in what pieces of gear?
Would using bladefists Breadth be better than my abbaccus or BLB?
Is the Bloodknight war cloak better than the cloak of fiends? (Keep in mind I normally run around a 200-250ms latency)
Are my stats mainly ap and crit balanced well or am I too heavy on one or the other?
My guild is killing hydross, is the Ranger Generals Chestguard better then the Ebon Netherscale?
Any suggestions are much appreciated, I know you guys are much wiser on the subject than I. Thanks.
Just FYI, I made a Hunter's Guide to Karazhan. It should help any hunter looking to start raiding and attempts to answer almost all the questions they might have.
You may be able to save time answering some of the questions by pointing people to the guide.
So, I'd like to think that I'm somewhat of a knowledgeable Hunter. I try to know the most about my class that I can. I'm not very educated when it comes to macros though. I've been searching a few posts on the boards and I've seen 2 macro's floating around.
I know the castsequence macro allows you to spam it and it'll do the work for you. The first one lets you time your Steady before your Auto. I've heard the first consumes more mana, but I'm not totally sure why.
If you could explain what the difference is, it would be great. And which one should I be using?
Bump my question on the previous page about weird DrBoom tests results. Am I doing the tests wrong, or is the theorycrafting wrong ?
What you need to do to minimize the randomness of crit and damage is to count the number of shots taken. You can then use your average shot damage (or just use the spreadsheet values) to get a good dps estimate. Also, you don't want to shoot until out of mana. Instead, shoot for a specific time interval, say 1 minute or 2 minutes. And don't use items or skills with cooldowns, they add another variable which makes the analysis more difficult.
fellow hunters, looking for a little guidance here. My gear is decent and my damage usually averages around 1000 on trash, 1100-1300 on boss fights, but I'm looking to get more out of my gear.
when I'm not using a carrot on a stick I have a bloodlust brooch equipped. I also have bladefists breadth sitting in my bank, along with the bloodknight warcloak.
With that said, a few questions. Would re-gemming any of my gear positively affect my damage? If so, what gems, in what pieces of gear?
Would using bladefists Breadth be better than my abbaccus or BLB?
Is the Bloodknight war cloak better than the cloak of fiends? (Keep in mind I normally run around a 200-250ms latency)
Are my stats mainly ap and crit balanced well or am I too heavy on one or the other?
My guild is killing hydross, is the Ranger Generals Chestguard better then the Ebon Netherscale?
Any suggestions are much appreciated, I know you guys are much wiser on the subject than I. Thanks.
I did most of that:
- used no trikets/CD (which bugs me a bit, I'm sure their impact is significant)
- I used recount to see my DPS, recount is supposed to do just that: add my total damage, and divide it by the time I spent in combat ?
- I went till OOM to make sure ti minimize the randomness factor (unrepresentative critrates are more likely to happen over short periods of time than over long ones)
By switching to Thalassian from Dory's I gain 50 attack power (unbuffed) but lose 0.20% crit (unbuffed). It's obviously an upgrade based on those figures alone without factoring in the benefit from blessing of kings. But I am unsure as to how the loss of 112 armour penetration from Dory's factors into my comparison. I am currently spec'd 41/20/0 but will be switching to 9/46/6 when Sunwell comes out and I'd like to know which cape is best for me.
Some insight and advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys
Last edited by SweetSerenity : 03/03/08 at 12:14 AM.
I "recently" started levelling my Hunter again, and yesterday I reached level 66. So it was time for Kill Command and a Wind Serpent pet. I read a lot about the Wind Serpent pets, but yet I cant decide if it's the best DPS pet or not. I see too many different opinions. One says it is indeed the best DPS pet when Lightning Breath is combined with your SS/Autoshot/KC macro (so LB not on autocast), and the other says it's not the best DPS pet because his "white" damage is lower than that of a Cat/Ravager. My personal thought would be that it is the best DPS pet, the Focus cost of LB is a lot higher than that of Claw, but Focus generation shouldn't really be a problem as a BM Hunter. Is this correct, or am I wrong here and should I stick with my good ol' Cat?
Other question I have is (ofcourse) about the Macro, can imagine people are getting bored of this here, but please tell me if this macro is the best for levelling or not:
I read about Macros with low and high mana costs, and for levelling I (obviously) need the one with low mana cost. Is this a low or high mana cost one? And if its the high one, what changes should I make to it to make it low? Also, is the KC and LB in the right place? Sometimes I see it before the Shots, sometimes after.
02/29/08, 1:24 PM
