I am confused as a baby who get’s his first birthday cake.
This forum + cheeky’s sheet have really helped me in the past. Also the whole 3:2 discusions and so on really helped me boost my personal dps. But now I don’t know what to do.
I am a troll hunter (average 30ms ping) so I have a bow racial I use the sunfury bow with the 3:2 spam macro and guess what droped yesterday the wolfslayer gun.
In the past (old sheets) this always would be an upgrade with the old 1:1 macro. But when I put it in the sheet now it isn’t. It’s even less even with the gun set to 1:1. When you put in the barrel rifle from doomwalker (want it anyway) it gives the same amount of dps compared with the sunfury bow 3:2. Yes I read a lot of post etc for some the wolf is better for others the sunfury. If I read the sheet right I just should stay with the sunfury in mine situation. Is that right?
I could compare the two myself but then I have to buy a dam +28cri scope to make the comparison fair, and as many knows this things aren’t cheap so if someone has been in a similar situation could give me a pointer ore two I gladly appreciate it. Keep up the good work.
for troll, the bow would seem to be the better choise. even for me as an orc hunter, i dont see much overall dps difference between wolfslayer and sunfury. typicaly i stick with the bow for TK so i dont lose a second bag slot for the ammo pouch (for the kael weap), and put wolfslayer back on when we hit up ssc.
We are entering TK and advancing in SSC, I feel that I need to respecc my kitty. Should I put more into arcane resist and not use Bite? Survivability of my pet is an issue with me until I get 2 pieces of T5 gear. I do heal my kitty and try to sneak in a chain heal from the shammys. Any help would be appreciated.
Well I have done a lot of researching on this site over the past few months and I have come to a really good dps gear for me at this point and right now I'm doing around 1300-1500 dps on boss fights and we are working through SSC now and I just wanted a 2nd opinion on my gear and spec and make sure I'm not missing any major upgrades or if anyone can recommend any other gear that might up my dps but right now I think I have everything til SSC bosses that can up my dps. Also in most circumstances with BM I know we want AP and I love having my hit rating capped right now so I don't want to give up any of that for just a little AP but I was wondering when it might be worth to take some more AP or agility gear for the 3 pc ebon netherscale that is giving me my 20 hit rating right now as well as my crit, I have a ton of crit right now but I really think its boosting my dps, mainly I'm just not sure for future item upgrades where I should be looking. I know I want to keep atleast a 145 hit rating either way but I'm wondering if I should drop a little crit for more AP or if its good with the crit I have now, either way I'm doing a ton of dps just wondering for future raids. Any suggestions would be great, I'm using a 3:2 shot rotation and using Sunfury at this point as well, I'm looking at having my S3 helm next week as well to upgrade that. I really love my gear right now because I'm #1 on dps meter everytime and I'm doing right around 1500 max dps on boss fights. I have a ton of items I can swap in and out so list any you might be thinking of I might have it, I also have a surv agility set as well but I prefer BM spec currently.
Like Enova said, the spreadsheet is much better at providing these kinds of analysis than I am by hand. Too many variables to take into account based upon your gear.
I know this may sound silly.. but how do I use the Spreadsheet? I'm opening it up, but I cant seem to change any of the fields...
We are entering TK and advancing in SSC, I feel that I need to respecc my kitty. Should I put more into arcane resist and not use Bite? Survivability of my pet is an issue with me until I get 2 pieces of T5 gear. I do heal my kitty and try to sneak in a chain heal from the shammys. Any help would be appreciated.
The avoidance skill can prevent ALOT of damage from your pet, if you dont have it already. That coupled with the t5 bonus generaly keeps my pet up thru VR unless I get some bad orb luck and can't shoot for an extended period of time. You shouldnt need to respec your pet into resists, but if you're having trouble obtaining the t5 bonus, the arcane resist would help alot on VR and solaran.
The avoidance skill can prevent ALOT of damage from your pet, if you dont have it already. That coupled with the t5 bonus generaly keeps my pet up thru VR unless I get some bad orb luck and can't shoot for an extended period of time. You shouldnt need to respec your pet into resists, but if you're having trouble obtaining the t5 bonus, the arcane resist would help alot on VR and solaran.
Thank you for the reply, T5 is quite out of my reach at least for the next 2 months, you see I am the low man on the DKP totem pole in my guild, after all the DKP stackers have gotten their T5 shoulders from VR for their mains and alts, then I should be up for the shoulders, I estimate about 20 downs of VR. As for T5 hands, same thing there, however we havent even got there yet in SSC so I am stacking badges, but I know I wont have the T5 pet bonus from badge rewards! Such is this life of a Hunter, wait in line . . . I wish there was a merit based system that took into account number of raids, performance in raids, last raided, etc and based off of those criteria, loot would be available, I am tired of Atls that havent ran since last Nov coming in and getting the loot and never seeing that toon for another 2 months until there is something new to get so they can use their huge stash of DKP. But thats a whole 'nother topic
After a long break from hunter playing i've decided to give it a another try
After being BM for a while, (41/20/0), i wanted to try something new, so i began looking at the survival tree
Its a pure pve specc, based on boosting other classes dps. Could someone experienced with the survival tree give me a opinion about this specc (or any other specc I should be considering)?
I'm getting some odd results when playing with the spreadsheet cheeky made. Is there any way to turn off it factoring hit rating into its calculations?
After a long break from hunter playing i've decided to give it a another try
After being BM for a while, (41/20/0), i wanted to try something new, so i began looking at the survival tree
Its a pure pve specc, based on boosting other classes dps. Could someone experienced with the survival tree give me a opinion about this specc (or any other specc I should be considering)?
Any help would be much appreciated
Tier 1: From a PVE standpoint, Savage Strike is useless unless you used it as a filler. even then there probably are better options to reach higher tiers, like Entrapment or Imp. Wing Clip.
Tier 2: To contradict what I just said, neither Entrapment nor Imp. wing clip are so great. However they may both prove better choices than Savage Strikes. Question of tastes.
Tier 3: Deterrence is nice to have too, and so is Clever Traps (for 5-man or 10-man raids).
Tier 4: I wouldn't take Imp. Feign Death. Deterrence or some trap talent in a lower tier would be my choice. FD isn't resisted much to start with, and in case of a wipe it is unlikely to be what saves you.
Tier 5: No brainer. Right choices I think.
Tier 6: Since you have not taken the lower Clever Traps, it's odd you chose Ressourcefulness. Not that it's not good to have lowered cooldown on traps of course. Adding Clever Traps would be more consistent in the build in conjunction with Ressourcefulness.
Tier 7: You will rarely ever need to use Wyvern Sting in PVE, especially with short trap cooldown. Of course it might save the day on trash but bosses are immune of course. No need to take it as a filler either.
Tier 8/9: Probably the most debatable talents in Surv. Master Tactician will diminish in usefulness for the investment needed as your crit rating rises. In any case it does represent a huge investment for what it does, especially if you compare it to Mortal Shot. Now it will of course help the uptime of Expose Weakness and improve your mana efficiency (Thill of the Hunt).
I have it but I think it still misses something for being so high in the tree.
Readiness is not very useful for your DPS. It's great to have for trapping though, and since you already have to have Maste Tact to get up there, why not go all the way. The same remains true: for being that high in the tree, it actually does little. Especially if you take in consideration our cooldowns are short to start with.
Imp. aspect of the Hawk's utility will depend on your reflex to adapt your rotation to a 1:1 when it procs. Since it is random, chances are high it will go in the way of your normal 1:1.5 rotation and end up losing some of your DPS. If you are sure you can adapt, then maybe.
The better option remains in my opinion to get up to Mortal Shots in MM (plus Go for the Throat and either Efficiency or, as you did, Imp. HM).
You should crit a whole lot as Surv (30ish% or more wouldn't be surprising), so having the crits do better damage can't be a bad thing.
Even if you're there to boost your rogues and shamans damage, your own damage does count too. Your DPS sure takes a blow the first time you get into Surv, but as your gear and feeling of the spec increase, you should be able to deal some serious hurt. Maybe not that of a BM equivalent, but still very significant.
Readiness is not very useful for your DPS. It's great to have for trapping though, and since you already have to have Maste Tact to get up there, why not go all the way. The same remains true: for being that high in the tree, it actually does little. Especially if you take in consideration our cooldowns are short to start with.
While technically true I would not say that it is that useless for DPS.
MD - Rapid Fire - FD- Readiness - MD - Rapid Fire - FD
You have in Readiness a powerful starter that helps the raid, that hopefully helps against any class getting a string of freak crits, as well as putting out a considerable amount of DPS. Overall the DPS added is 'only' around one Rapid Fire, but in Surv Rapid Fire is a powerful DPS tool (isn't it?). But as noted two MDs within short time of each other is quite helpful.
Thank you for the reply, T5 is quite out of my reach at least for the next 2 months, you see I am the low man on the DKP totem pole in my guild, after all the DKP stackers have gotten their T5 shoulders from VR for their mains and alts, then I should be up for the shoulders, I estimate about 20 downs of VR. As for T5 hands, same thing there, however we havent even got there yet in SSC so I am stacking badges, but I know I wont have the T5 pet bonus from badge rewards! Such is this life of a Hunter, wait in line . . . I wish there was a merit based system that took into account number of raids, performance in raids, last raided, etc and based off of those criteria, loot would be available, I am tired of Atls that havent ran since last Nov coming in and getting the loot and never seeing that toon for another 2 months until there is something new to get so they can use their huge stash of DKP. But thats a whole 'nother topic
I am extremely sorry to hear that raider's ALTS are getting gear before peoples active raiding mains. In my guild that would NEVER happen unless NO ONE at all wanted the item.
I hate to say things like this (especialy if you have friends in your current guild) but thats about the time to start hunting for a new guild, even if it means a slight setback in progression.
I did not say it was useless, just not very useful, or to formulate it otherwise, not as useful or as good as you'd expect a talent at the end of the tree to be (in comparison to The Beast Within or Trueshot Aura).
Now well I have it too and put it to good use when I can. Double misdirect is sure sweet. Yet... well it could be better Hope that clears it up.
So im curious i am a draenei hunter that is mostly kara geared and i have had the sunfury bow for a while. i just got the wolfslayer and cheekys puts that on top for me at about 30 more dps than sunfury but my recount and wws from a raid with wolf slayer and a raid with sunfury puts sunfury on top as well as doing the dr boom test. so im curious am i doing something wrong or is it really better for me ?
I have looked at the things you(Hrank) suggested and you might be very right
Since i dont raid anything other then ssc/tk at the moment i decided to drop the traps( I probably should've mentioned that in the first post)
What about this 0/25/36 build? Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
It has both expose weakness and improved HM, together with mortal shots and go for the throat
And a another thing, i currently have 444 agi( its my alt so better gear will come), is that enough to justify a surv specc?
When I put my Skyfire Hawk-Bow (64 DPS blue bow from Shattered halls) into Cheeky's Spreadsheet and get a DPS readout with a 1:1 rotation, then put in Black Bow of the Betrayer (96 DPS epic bow from Illidan) in a 3:2 rotation and look at the DPS readout, it's only minutely higher. Then, when I compare Barrel-Blade Longrifle to Black Bow, the Barrel-Blade with a 1:1 rotation beats Black Bow with a 3:2 rotation, hands down.
What's the deal here? Is the spreadsheet broken or is Barrel-Blade Longrifle and a 1:1 rotation really the optimal DPS setup for a hunter? Is my bow and 1:1 rotation really almost as good as Black Bow and its prime 3:2 rotation?
I've recently seen mention of a log parsing tool you can use in conjunction with WWS. I've searched through the last 10 pages in each of the hunter threads and I can't see to find a link to it. Can anyone help?
Hi, our guild just learning Al'ar and we were not bad at all yesterday, we downed him to 16% 2nd phase. I'm BM and even without pet I was 2nd on DPS. I want to ask how I can improve my DPS with pet, should I keep pet on adds with max fire res to get FI or let him be on boss and resurrect if he dies. Also want to ask how I can keep my pet on Lurker, because he don't attack if I'm standing on platform.
P.S.Still Doing 2/6 SSC and 2/4 TK. I', waiting for Hydros chest and Void reaver leggings so stats will increase. I have 30% crit unbuffed, ~1750AP and 126Hit. I miss only 2-3hit per boss fight. Should I got for more hit or its ok and I should build more AP instead?
Thanks in advance
I'm at 5/6 SSC, 4/5 TK, with vashj on 49%, so I wont be able to comment fights in BT, MH or Kael.
1.
At your gear-level a Windserpent would be about equal to your Cat, and I would therefore suggest getting one. You can still use your cat if you like on many bosses, but on fights like Leothas the Blind and Al'ar, the Windserpent can be made far superior. This is done by putting the following line into your shot macro, or an independant one in case you're manually weaving your shots:
/cast Lightning breath (yes, without the [target=pettarget, exist] command)
By using this, and keeping your pet on passive, it will act like an "lightning turret", fireing at enemies without engaging them in melee. With the [target=pettarget, exist], your pet would need to engage the enemy in order to target them, and that's what we are trying to avoid. In other words, your pet will not only be able to dps on Leothas doing WW (trust me, do you not want your pet to get that debuff), but even better: it can do about 150-200 dps doing the intire phase 1 of Al'ar, if you just place it on "stay" underneath the platforms and spam the macro like hell.
2.
If your guild are generally haivng a Balance-Druid raiding, you should actually drop some hit since the cap will be moved down to 95, presuming he spend points in Improved FF. Other than that, the balance between hit/ap/crit is controled by your gear, so only the spreadsheet or someone with an extreme mathematical mind could tell
(Speadsheet can be downloaded here: http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t9816-hu...-_development/)
I have looked at the things you(Hrank) suggested and you might be very right
Since i dont raid anything other then ssc/tk at the moment i decided to drop the traps( I probably should've mentioned that in the first post)
What about this 0/25/36 build? Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
It has both expose weakness and improved HM, together with mortal shots and go for the throat
And a another thing, i currently have 444 agi( its my alt so better gear will come), is that enough to justify a surv specc?
Honestly I don't think you have enough Agi to justify going survival at the moment. Either you have to regem, or stay BM untill you can find more gear to boost that Agi up the general consensus is i think 700 agi base. EW will only give about 127 ap every time its up with what you have and the next question is how often will it be up? What is your crit at? Will that too be high enough to keep it up?
On a side note, I think that both of those specs you posted are viable, especially when your gear gets better.
p.s. sorry to seem kinda negative, just being honest.
Also want to ask how I can keep my pet on Lurker, because he don't attack if I'm standing on platform.
When I'm on Lurker before the fight I set my pet to aggresive and command it to stay on the main island at Lurker's back near where a melee add will come up, then I go to my island and play like normal. The pet doesn't automaticaly move around to stay at lurker's back when you do this so you need to be careful with your placement to avoid parries if you're on one of the side islands instead of back. As another random tip, I've found that if I drop a snake trap where a ranged add will come up the ranged add seems to usually only target the snakes until they're all dead, a mage and I can sometimes kill the add without getting shot even once using this approach.
When I'm on Lurker before the fight I set my pet to aggresive and command it to stay on the main island at Lurker's back near where a melee add will come up, then I go to my island and play like normal. The pet doesn't automaticaly move around to stay at lurker's back when you do this so you need to be careful with your placement to avoid parries if you're on one of the side islands instead of back. As another random tip, I've found that if I drop a snake trap where a ranged add will come up the ranged add seems to usually only target the snakes until they're all dead, a mage and I can sometimes kill the add without getting shot even once using this approach.
With Lurker there's really no need to stand on the outer islands at all. Just stand at the edge of the center island and you will never get hit by whirl.
Originally Posted by DeeNogger
Every time I bite into an oatmeal raisin cookie mistaken for a chocolate-chip an angle loses its wings. Fucking trani's of the cookie world!
With Lurker there's really no need to stand on the outer islands at all. Just stand at the edge of the center island and you will never get hit by whirl.
Standing on the isles helps you avoid multi shots in the raid, by trapping or ranged tanking the shooter adds. It's not required, by any means, but if you're doing it this way, a pet on defensive and stand ground within mend pet range of your platform helps. Defensive is probably a better option than offensive, as it activates on getting a spout, not on a melee add landing; if it goes for an add before it gets tanked (or sheeped, or however you handle them), it may die prematurely. You can always direct it at an add at a latter time; revive pet is more costly, and you lose buffs and kiblers'.
Originally Posted by XI-
In summary, TBC raiding is easy. 9/10 encounters can be summarized with 1 phrase. Stay out of the fucking fire. If this is too difficult BWL was still there last I checked, so go have at it for some practice.
03/07/08, 5:55 AM
Hope that clears it up.
