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Old 03/14/08, 9:37 PM   #2426
alienangel
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Draenei Hunter
 
Eredar
Originally Posted by Wunlastri View Post
This is why I have a /stopcasting (not even sure if this helps, though) /say macro for when I feign. It's the source of amusement and slight mockery, but noone ever says I didn't feign.
Don't you still end up saying something if you hit FD while it's on CD, or it's resisted? I imagine my guild would still accuse me of not noticing a resist if they saw that and I still pulled.

On that note, does anyone know a mod (or ideally an SCT custom event) that makes FD resists more obvious? Or one similar to the ones for warrior taunts that announces a resist in raid?

Originally Posted by Khassandra View Post
If you mean me, SHE was talking about something that happens currently as BM spec.
Apologies for the mistaken pronoun use then. Normally people call me out on using female pronouns on people who turn out to be male but were posting on female characters, making your complaint quite a novel experience for me ^_^

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Old 03/14/08, 11:46 PM   #2427
Skim
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Troll Hunter
 
Blackhand
Originally Posted by alienangel View Post
On that note, does anyone know a mod (or ideally an SCT custom event) that makes FD resists more obvious? Or one similar to the ones for warrior taunts that announces a resist in raid?

^_^


I just watch my Omen Threat Meter to see if my FD actually dropped my aggro. Key is to try not to wait till you are about to rip aggro before you FD. As far as an announce mod that warns raid when you FD is resisted - that might be overkill. You can always stop/lower DPS if you need to till your FD is up again.

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Old 03/15/08, 3:16 AM   #2428
Cranch
Don Flamenco
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Perenolde
Originally Posted by Pandarus View Post
I have been recently seeing posts on wind serpents and it's the first time that I have researched into them. I currently use the ravager because of it's high dps during raid bosses and according to this post the wind serpent seems to be the best pet if I have 35% crit chance (I assume unbuffed?). Should I focus my stats around using this pet effectively or should I continue with the ravager?

I am currently doing Lurker, Leo, and Void Reaver, so I am assuming for these instances the wind serpent is definitely superior, not quite sure about other boss encounters.
If you have enough crit, raid buffed, and the proper talent tree (get focus from your crits), then the wind serpent should out damage any other pet. I run at 31-40% raid crit rate, depending on my buffs, and so far my serpent is definitely holding his own compared to my ravager. I would expect as my gear evolves from T5 to T6 the serpent will only get better.

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Old 03/15/08, 3:57 AM   #2429
Aragda
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Human Priest
 
Eitrigg
Originally Posted by Skim View Post
I just watch my Omen Threat Meter to see if my FD actually dropped my aggro. Key is to try not to wait till you are about to rip aggro before you FD. As far as an announce mod that warns raid when you FD is resisted - that might be overkill. You can always stop/lower DPS if you need to till your FD is up again.
I think its been mentioned before, but there is a problem with trusting your omen meter in regards to FD. When you cast FD the agro is cleared imediately unless the FD is resisted. If you pop up before the threat is REALLY cleared ( seems to be between half a second and a full second after the cast, depending on latency) then you might pull agro while everyone sees you at the botom of omen.

My general rule of thumb is to let your toon fall all the way to the ground with the dramatic death animation, and you can pop up right as he/she hits the ground. Thats usually enough time for the agro to clear.

As for resists, no need to announce that to the raid, but I believe that certain combat text mods would include FD resists. (If anyone knows of one that announces cooldowns, Ive been looking for a good one)

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Old 03/15/08, 11:01 AM   #2430
Khassandra
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Nazgrel
Originally Posted by alienangel View Post
On that note, does anyone know a mod (or ideally an SCT custom event) that makes FD resists more obvious? Or one similar to the ones for warrior taunts that announces a resist in raid?
I use FeignResistBell, which makes a loud gong sound. FeignResistBell | World of Warcraft Addons | Curse It hasn't been updated in awhile but still works well.

Originally Posted by alienangel View Post
Apologies for the mistaken pronoun use then. Normally people call me out on using female pronouns on people who turn out to be male but were posting on female characters, making your complaint quite a novel experience for me ^_^
Not a problem. I get that a lot actually. People seem to be rather shocked most of the time to find out I'm 40something, a mother of two and that while all four of us play WoW, I'm the most hardcore player/raider in the family. LOL I also get "Wow, a female dwarf - they DO exist!" an awful lot.

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Old 03/15/08, 5:10 PM   #2431
Conn
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Al'Akir (EU)
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast [exists,target=pettarget] Kill Command
/cast Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
I have been trying out survival this evening in BT, but I can not make this macro work to do 2auto : 3steady sequences.
If I spam that macro then for somehow it only starts to cast steadys - what do you think being wrong :/
BTW it worked fine for BM...

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Old 03/15/08, 8:33 PM   #2432
Cranch
Don Flamenco
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Perenolde
Originally Posted by Conn View Post
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast [exists,target=pettarget] Kill Command
/cast Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
I have been trying out survival this evening in BT, but I can not make this macro work to do 2auto : 3steady sequences.
If I spam that macro then for somehow it only starts to cast steadys - what do you think being wrong :/
BTW it worked fine for BM...
Most likely your attack speed is not fast enough as Survival.

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Old 03/15/08, 11:49 PM   #2433
alienangel
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Eredar
Originally Posted by Khassandra View Post
I use FeignResistBell, which makes a loud gong sound. FeignResistBell | World of Warcraft Addons | Curse It hasn't been updated in awhile but still works well.
Since one of our rogues quite gleefully started using a macro that would whisper her group's warrior if she doesn't have battleshout when she refreshes SnD, I came up with this macro for FD:

#showtooltip Feign Death
/stopcasting
/cast Feign Death
/script if GetPlayerBuffName("Feign Death") then SendChatMessage("Feigned Death AMGHALP", "WHISPER", nil, "Lure") end
Basically if you FD and it wasn't still on cooldown, it whispers Lure (the rogue mentioned above, and our raid leader, who I suspect doesn't believe me when I say I feigned right before pulling aggro).

A less annoying version would be to replace the "WHISPER" with "RAID" or "PARTY" or "SAY" (RAID would probably be the least annoying. You can go for raid warning too though if you really feel like it ).

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Old 03/16/08, 7:11 PM   #2434
Equalizer
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Crushridge
Ok so...having a bit of a hard time establishing what type of rotation to be using, along with how much haste rating is optimal for me.

I'm using a [Sunfury Bow of the Phoenix] at the moment...and I have a [The Savage's Choker], as well as a [Cloak of Fiends].

I also have a [Dragonspine Trophy], and I'm BM so I have Imp Hawk as well.

So with that all in mind. I guess the question is...

A) Should I be using both of those haste items or using alternatives (I can have 2.10, 2.07 or 2.04 weapon speed).

B) If I should be using a 1:1 or 3:2 rotation (which I guess will depend on whether I use them).

I tried using the spread sheet...but it seems like no matter what 3:2 is lower DPS, which makes me wonder if I'm doing something wrong? Or is 3:2 just a myth?

Also an aside, I will be using a macro, I know that a 1:1Special Priority with Multi/Arcane is probably best. I just don't think I can do the manual weaving to pull it off while not dying.

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Old 03/17/08, 8:52 PM   #2435
Auroramoon
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Cenarius
I was searching for a macro if there is one that will allow pet attack queing. By this I mean by this is tank sets Skull, then X as Kill order. He/she is competent and can hold them both. I want to send my pet into attack Skull then "que" up X so my pet doesn't come back to me to be resent into attack X by me clicking attack again. I found this macro on WowWiki and I know it's something that I'm missing thats obvious but it doesn't seem to work. I mouse over second target and click the macro and the pet still comes back to me or gives me "there is nothing to attack" I've tried with and without holding the shift.

Thanks in advanced

oh and the macro i'm trying is
/focus [target=pettarget,modifier:shift]
/petfollow [nomodifier:shift]
/petattack [target=mouseover,modifier:shift]
/petattack
/target [modifier:shift] focus
/petattack [modifier:shift]

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Old 03/18/08, 1:03 AM   #2436
Aragda
Von Kaiser
 
Human Priest
 
Eitrigg
Originally Posted by Auroramoon View Post
I was searching for a macro if there is one that will allow pet attack queing. By this I mean by this is tank sets Skull, then X as Kill order. He/she is competent and can hold them both. I want to send my pet into attack Skull then "que" up X so my pet doesn't come back to me to be resent into attack X by me clicking attack again. I found this macro on WowWiki and I know it's something that I'm missing thats obvious but it doesn't seem to work. I mouse over second target and click the macro and the pet still comes back to me or gives me "there is nothing to attack" I've tried with and without holding the shift.

Thanks in advanced

oh and the macro i'm trying is
/focus [target=pettarget,modifier:shift]
/petfollow [nomodifier:shift]
/petattack [target=mouseover,modifier:shift]
/petattack
/target [modifier:shift] focus
/petattack [modifier:shift]
You cannot macro targeting of raid icons into a macro. The bane of being a hunter (or demon lock) is that we have to micromanage our pets. Your best bet is to macro pet attack into one of your shots, and use that macro to send your pet to your next target as you start attacking it. Your pet will still start to run back to you, but it will turn arround and go to the next target.

Alternatively, you can set your pet on defensive/agressive mode and it will find a new target. However many patches ago, they made pets ignore targets that are crowd controled unless directly told to attack it, so you dont have to worry about that. Just make sure your pet doesnt walk into a whirlwind.

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Old 03/18/08, 3:27 AM   #2437
Intie
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Draenei Hunter
 
Tarren Mill (EU)
Originally Posted by Auroramoon View Post
I want to send my pet into attack Skull then "que" up X so my pet doesn't come back to me to be resent into attack X by me clicking attack again.
Send your pet to X first and while it is running there change target to skull and send pet to attack it. By doing this your pet will automatically go and attack X after skull is dead. At least that's behavior I've been observing with my pet.

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Old 03/18/08, 5:53 AM   #2438
Belzi.ET
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Die Arguswacht (EU)
Originally Posted by alienangel View Post
On that note, does anyone know a mod (or ideally an SCT custom event) that makes FD resists more obvious? Or one similar to the ones for warrior taunts that announces a resist in raid?
I'm using MeuhmeuhFeignDeathResistBellBC | World of Warcraft Addons | World of Warcraft @ Curse.com for quite a long time now.
For me, it was working with german and english client since patch 2.1.

The addon basically just plays a small audio-file with a bell to "alert" if your FD was resisted.

Just enable old addons to make sure, it is running and the time of unnoticed FD resists are over.

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Old 03/18/08, 6:30 AM   #2439
Axejess
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Daggerspine (EU)
Originally Posted by Praxx View Post
According to this post you will want to switch to a Wind Serpent when your crit tops 35% but Cranch doesn't give a reason for that threshold. Before that the Ravager pet is higher DPS than a cat because of the Gore ability.
Why is it then that i get the folowing results according to the sheet?

570agi 26.74cri

Cat: 248,85
Ravenger: 254,12
Wind Serpent: 276,34

The sheet says windserpent should be better? Is the sheet wrong then?

Originally Posted by Dalakroth View Post
What are you basing those dps numbers off? Character sheet tooltips?
Cheeky's hunter excel sheet. From this thread

Filled in my char data and in the pet worktab i get these numers out of it. Aka Total pet Dps

Last edited by Axejess : 03/18/08 at 10:57 AM.

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Old 03/18/08, 10:45 AM   #2440
Dalakroth
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Bronze Dragonflight (EU)
What are you basing those dps numbers off? Character sheet tooltips?

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Old 03/18/08, 11:49 AM   #2441
Cheeky
Great Tiger
 
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Originally Posted by Axejess View Post
Why is it then that i get the folowing results according to the sheet?

570agi 26.74cri

Cat: 248,85
Ravenger: 254,12
Wind Serpent: 276,34

The sheet says windserpent should be better? Is the sheet wrong then?


Cheeky's hunter excel sheet. From this thread

Filled in my char data and in the pet worktab i get these numers out of it. Aka Total pet Dps
I'm not 100% sure I have Lightning Breath modeled properly. If anyone has better ideas about the math behind it, I'm open to suggestions.


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Old 03/19/08, 2:25 AM   #2442
Waladin
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Icecrown
I'm sorry to make a post with a question that I know is somewhere on these forums, but I lack the stamina for that much reading.

On to business:

Was lucky enough to snag DST tonight. I have BLB and the hourglass equipped currently. Which one gets banked?

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Old 03/19/08, 2:54 AM   #2443
Malicoire_
Glass Joe
 
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Blood Elf Hunter
 
Cenarion Circle
Hello ladies and gents. Have a bit of a question and was wondering if some of the theorycrafters, which admittedly I'm not, could help me out.

Darlynne - Armory

This week in TK my performance was notably lacking compared to last weeks run:

WWS:

Voidreaver: -This week- | -Last week-
Solarian: -This week- | -Last week-

Three changes between the two weeks.
1) Went from using [Legacy] to [Trollbane]
2) Went from using a Ravager to a Windserpent
3) Started using this macro:
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill Command
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Lightning Breath
/castsequence reset=2.52/combat/target !Auto Shot, Steady Shot
/castrandom Arcane Shot, Multi-Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
Of note, I was made the bomb this week during the Solarian fight, whereas I was not last week. I'm just wondering if the flaw is in my macro, or simply bad luck. Mana was not an issue either week.

Thankyou for your time, greatly appreciated.

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Old 03/19/08, 3:02 AM   #2444
Wensleydale
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Tauren Druid
 
Tichondrius
Originally Posted by Auroramoon View Post
I was searching for a macro if there is one that will allow pet attack queing. By this I mean by this is tank sets Skull, then X as Kill order. He/she is competent and can hold them both. I want to send my pet into attack Skull then "que" up X so my pet doesn't come back to me to be resent into attack X by me clicking attack again. I found this macro on WowWiki and I know it's something that I'm missing thats obvious but it doesn't seem to work. I mouse over second target and click the macro and the pet still comes back to me or gives me "there is nothing to attack" I've tried with and without holding the shift.

Thanks in advanced

oh and the macro i'm trying is
/focus [target=pettarget,modifier:shift]
/petfollow [nomodifier:shift]
/petattack [target=mouseover,modifier:shift]
/petattack
/target [modifier:shift] focus
/petattack [modifier:shift]
I started with the same macro from Wowwiki and modified it to not need any shift-modifier. Just put this macro on a hotbar, bind a spare mouse button to it, and click that mouse button over your next target(s). I think holding the shift button and clicking means: make this target the last one you attack (but don't hold me to that). Just pet-recall to reset the queue.

/focus [target=pettarget]
/petfollow [modifier:shift]
/petattack [target=mouseover]
/petattack
/target focus
/petattack

Important: your pet must be in Defensive position for the queue to work. If your pet is Passive, it will just attack the clicked target and return to you.

Originally Posted by Waladin View Post
I'm sorry to make a post with a question that I know is somewhere on these forums, but I lack the stamina for that much reading.

On to business:

Was lucky enough to snag DST tonight. I have BLB and the hourglass equipped currently. Which one gets banked?
Plug it into The Spreadsheet. It will probably tell you to keep the Brooch.

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Old 03/19/08, 4:29 AM   #2445
Aragda
Von Kaiser
 
Human Priest
 
Eitrigg
Originally Posted by Waladin View Post
I'm sorry to make a post with a question that I know is somewhere on these forums, but I lack the stamina for that much reading.

On to business:

Was lucky enough to snag DST tonight. I have BLB and the hourglass equipped currently. Which one gets banked?
Quite honestly, I believe this to be a personal decision. Based on the rest of your gear, you could go either way depending on if you need the crit or the AP. If you have enough crit stacked, the hourglass will proc enough to give you more overall AP over time. Keep both in your bag for a while and switch out durring raids. See which does better for you personaly and give each one a fair chance to prove itself. (At least untill you can get Zul'jin trinket or tsunami talisman)

Personaly, I use DST/Hourglass. My in-bank trinket is Abbacus of Violent Odds, but the haste use on it has become overkill since I got DST so I traded that one off.

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Old 03/19/08, 3:11 PM   #2446
Teldra
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Draenei Hunter
 
Doomhammer
Originally Posted by Waladin View Post
I'm sorry to make a post with a question that I know is somewhere on these forums, but I lack the stamina for that much reading.

On to business:

Was lucky enough to snag DST tonight. I have BLB and the hourglass equipped currently. Which one gets banked?
I too just snagged the DST and am excited to see how much of DPS boost it gives. I'll be using the DST and the BLB together. I'm using the Sunfury and normally do the 3:2 rotation macro (/cast atuo; /cast steady) and then flip to the 1:1 macro (/castsequence auto, steady) for when I can use the Bloodlust Broach, Bestial Wrath, and Rapid Fire together.

I'm wondering what the optimal rotation will be when the DST haste procs. I don't have the math skills to figure it out on paper. Will switching macros still be viable, or will using just one macro still do well and not clip auto shot when the haste procs? And will quick shots make a lot of difference? I've looked at the official Blizzard forum post Cheeky did, but got lost. Can anyone help?

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Old 03/19/08, 4:56 PM   #2447
Prvtdonut
Glass Joe
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Illidan
So I've been tinkering around with the caster windserpent from Sethekk Halls that was mentioned earlier. Couple things to note is that you do not have to bother with blessing of protection/bloodlust or heriosm etc. You can just trap it and tame it. I really like using it on fights like Bloodboil and Illidan where it can sit at range and not get hit by the Fel Acid Breath or Flame Crash.

My question is this: Has anyone tested out a Windserpent in a group with an Enhancement Shaman and one or more Elemental Shaman? Our raids are somewhat messed up and end up taking 2 or more Elemental Shaman but no Enhancement Shaman. When we do get an Enhancement, will the Stormstrike charge get eaten by the Winserpent too often or will the rogue' poisons, Elemental Shaman's casts, and the Enhancement shaman's Earthshock eat the Stormstrike?

I personally think that raid dps will not suffer, but there is on person in my guild who asked if I would switch back to my ravager when we do get an enhancement shaman. Won't the other DPSers in the guild be consuming the chargers as well? Or is he right? Does anyone have experience with this?

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Old 03/19/08, 5:18 PM   #2448
Ravenoak
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Altar of Storms
I just got a windserpent as of late. I am using what I thought was a 3.2 macro....but after reading 30 diffrent macro set ups im really not sure what one is right.
So I guess im trying to find out the right 3.2 and 1.1 macro with a windserpent. I use the Sunfury Bow if that matters, and speced BM as well.

Thank you

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Old 03/19/08, 5:21 PM   #2449
Prvtdonut
Glass Joe
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Illidan
I use

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/cast [exists,target=pettarget] Lightning Breath
/cast [exists,target=pettarget] Kill Command
/cast !auto shot
/cast Steady shot

I tested it out agains a similar cast sequence macro, and this one seems to be better. Make sure that you have the Lightning breath turned off on the pet bar and just macro in the cast in your shot rotation. Otherwise it will run in to melee, run out to LB, etc.

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Old 03/19/08, 10:10 PM   #2450
Cranch
Don Flamenco
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Perenolde
Originally Posted by Axejess View Post
Why is it then that i get the folowing results according to the sheet?

570agi 26.74cri

Cat: 248,85
Ravenger: 254,12
Wind Serpent: 276,34

The sheet says windserpent should be better? Is the sheet wrong then?


Cheeky's hunter excel sheet. From this thread

Filled in my char data and in the pet worktab i get these numers out of it. Aka Total pet Dps
Well, I pulled the 35% out of my hat because I could see the increased dps in practice but not see it in the spreadsheet (and I was running 35% crit at the time.) Now that I understand how to invoke the spreadsheet properly, I can say that it shows that wind serpents are better than ravagers well below the 35% threshold. (I wasn't setting up the pet attack rotation correctly.) I apologize to the EJ community and Cheeky especially for the misinformation.

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