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03/20/08, 4:34 AM
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#2451
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Von Kaiser
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Hi I was wondering if there's a program or website that automatically gives you the best gear setup while maximizing the hit rating, given the items that you currently own.
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03/20/08, 5:51 AM
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#2452
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Glass Joe
Dwarf Hunter
Chromaggus (EU)
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Need Help about DPS
Hello,
I have been fallowing EJ forum for a while and now I have a major problem about my raid DPS and I need some advices to solve it.
Here is my armory profile:
The World of Warcraft Armory
I am BM specced hunter. I just joined my guild and started to raid SSC/TK/Hyjal and BT, my problem is
I can not output enough damage. My DPS is just too low, (around 600-650 per second) and in WWS lists
I can not get higher then 9th or 10th rank in total DPS.
I use a basic AS/SS macro with KC but I still cant manage to see what I want. I see a lot of hunters, with less gear then me who have higher DPS outputs. Please check my Armory, Gems, stuff and give some advices. If needed I can provide logs later.
thanks
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03/20/08, 5:53 AM
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#2453
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Glass Joe
Troll Hunter
Daggerspine (EU)
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Originally Posted by Cranch
Well, I pulled the 35% out of my hat because I could see the increased dps in practice but not see it in the spreadsheet (and I was running 35% crit at the time.) Now that I understand how to invoke the spreadsheet properly, I can say that it shows that wind serpents are better than ravagers well below the 35% threshold. (I wasn't setting up the pet attack rotation correctly.) I apologize to the EJ community and Cheeky especially for the misinformation.
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Well like cheeky said he isn't sure he modeled WS right and aparently a lot of volks say that ws becomes beter at 30+% so for now I will just stay with ravenger and will test the ws once i hit the 30+% unbuffed.
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03/20/08, 11:48 AM
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#2454
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Miren
Hello,
I have been fallowing EJ forum for a while and now I have a major problem about my raid DPS and I need some advices to solve it.
Here is my armory profile:
The World of Warcraft Armory
I am BM specced hunter. I just joined my guild and started to raid SSC/TK/Hyjal and BT, my problem is
I can not output enough damage. My DPS is just too low, (around 600-650 per second) and in WWS lists
I can not get higher then 9th or 10th rank in total DPS.
I use a basic AS/SS macro with KC but I still cant manage to see what I want. I see a lot of hunters, with less gear then me who have higher DPS outputs. Please check my Armory, Gems, stuff and give some advices. If needed I can provide logs later.
thanks
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I didn't see anything in your gear / gems / enchants that jumped out at me. I would drop Hawkeye and get 5/5 Mortal Shots.
When you say 600 DPS is that for the full run or on a boss fight? Regardless you should be seeing 800+ for the full run and 1200+ on boss fights. What macro are you using and how are you using it?
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03/20/08, 12:30 PM
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#2455
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Bald Bull
Toroko
Blood Elf Paladin
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Miren
Hello,
I have been fallowing EJ forum for a while and now I have a major problem about my raid DPS and I need some advices to solve it.
Here is my armory profile:
The World of Warcraft Armory
I am BM specced hunter. I just joined my guild and started to raid SSC/TK/Hyjal and BT, my problem is
I can not output enough damage. My DPS is just too low, (around 600-650 per second) and in WWS lists
I can not get higher then 9th or 10th rank in total DPS.
I use a basic AS/SS macro with KC but I still cant manage to see what I want. I see a lot of hunters, with less gear then me who have higher DPS outputs. Please check my Armory, Gems, stuff and give some advices. If needed I can provide logs later.
thanks
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There are a few things that stick out a bit taking a quick look at your armory. First, as Praxx pointed out, take the points out of hawk eye and move them to mortal shots. In the BM tree, take one of the points from thick hide, and one from frenzy, and move them into animal handler. I'm not sure how big of a problem mana has been for you, but if you find yourself needing to use aspect of the viper on most fights, yo may want to consider moving the points from imp hunter's mark to efficiency.
As far as your gear is concerned, most of your choices have been fairly good, but there are a few gem and enchant changes I'd recommend. First, your gloves should have 15 agility over 26 AP. I'm not sure if it's a bug with the armory or if they're recently acquired items, but it appears as though you have no leg armor enchant,no enchant on your cloak (should be 12 agi), no enchant on your chest (+6 all stats), nor a meta gem in your helm (relentless). For gems, as a general rule you're going to want to avoid gems that have +AP on them. For purple gems that means you want to have [Shifting Nightseye] instead of [Balanced Nightseye]. [Wicked Noble Topaz] is a waste of money. [Delicate Living Ruby] provides the same AP and more crit (even before kings). If you need a yellow gem, [Smooth Dawnstone] is the yellow gem of choice.
Aside form that, any further advice that could be given would require a WWS parse to see what exactly you're doing on a given fight.
EDIT: Also, with numbers that low at your gear level, it makes me wonder if possibly the person doing WWS for your guild isn't attributing your pet's DPS to you. That alone could make a difference of 2-400 DPS.
Last edited by Sarutobi : 03/20/08 at 1:05 PM.
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Originally Posted by DeeNogger
Every time I bite into an oatmeal raisin cookie mistaken for a chocolate-chip an angle loses its wings. Fucking trani's of the cookie world!
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Originally Posted by castille
Squirrel sex. Get your nut and go home.
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03/20/08, 12:40 PM
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#2456
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Glass Joe
Dwarf Hunter
Chromaggus (EU)
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I didn't see anything in your gear / gems / enchants that jumped out at me. I would drop Hawkeye and get 5/5 Mortal Shots.
When you say 600 DPS is that for the full run or on a boss fight? Regardless you should be seeing 800+ for the full run and 1200+ on boss fights. What macro are you using and how are you using it?
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It is full run mate and On boss fights its around 750, I know something is wrong and I will provide both WWS logs and the macros I use tonight and for the items, I dont have leg enchant couse I am farmig for 50AP+10Crit ones and I will also put my head and glove enchants tonight as well as chest.
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03/20/08, 4:35 PM
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#2457
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Glass Joe
Dwarf Hunter
Chromaggus (EU)
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This is the macro I use and I spam it. I will post logs tonight, after BT.
I expect recomendations.
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/cast [target=pettarget] Kill Command
/castsequence reset=1.96 Steady Shot, Auto Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show
Thank you
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03/20/08, 4:42 PM
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#2458
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Miren
This is the macro I use and I spam it. I will post logs tonight, after BT.
I expect recomendations.
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/cast [target=pettarget] Kill Command
/castsequence reset=1.96 Steady Shot, Auto Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show
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#showtooltip
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/castsequence reset=1 !Auto Shot, Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show
Changes: - You don't need to define a spell with the #showtooltip command. Leaving it out will let the icon and tool tip cycle through the attack that is currently being executed.
- Changing the reset from 1.96 to 1. The reset command has nothing to do with your weapons speed provided it is set lower than the speed of your weapon. It just determines how long the /castsequence macro should wait, if the button is not pressed, to start over at the beginning. If you are spamming the macro in a long fight the reset command is never triggered because you are hitting the button more than once every 1.96 seconds. I just have mine at 1 so it will go back to the beginning in between pulls.
- Moving Auto Shot before Steady Shot will start off with an Auto. This begins your DPS cycle sooner
- Adding "!" to Auto Shot will make the command only turn Auto Shot on. Without it the line in the macro is a toggle turning Auto Shot on and off.
- Moving the Kill Command to after the /castsequence has fixed the Auto Shot lockups for some users.
Last edited by Praxx : 03/20/08 at 4:56 PM.
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03/20/08, 4:51 PM
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#2459
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Glass Joe
Dwarf Hunter
Chromaggus (EU)
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My speed is 1.96 on character tab why we use a 1 here for reset ?
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03/20/08, 5:46 PM
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#2460
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Glass Joe
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Hello all,
This is my first post in this forum, so i don't know if this is the right Thread :/
But can anyone tell me, what trinket combi is the best one?
I have Madness of the Betrayer, Tsunami Talisman and Bloodlust Brooch (Berseker's Call wont drop  )
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03/20/08, 6:43 PM
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#2461
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Great Tiger
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Originally Posted by Spoof
Hello all,
This is my first post in this forum, so i don't know if this is the right Thread :/
But can anyone tell me, what trinket combi is the best one?
I have Madness of the Betrayer, Tsunami Talisman and Bloodlust Brooch (Berseker's Call wont drop  )
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I hate you and your trinkets.
Please, do yourself a favour and download Cheeky's spreadsheet. It will answer your questions alot faster than posting on some forums where people will jump all over you for posting stupidly.
As to your question, theoretically BB will slightly outperform TT (at least for me). But I would think it's a fight dependent thing, adjusted by how good you are at effectively using your trinkets. And Madness is just a given.
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[W:From] [Daorchuntard]: your my hero
[W:From] [Daorchuntard]: sick mount lol
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03/20/08, 6:46 PM
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#2462
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Great Tiger
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Originally Posted by Praxx
#showtooltip
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/castsequence reset=1 !Auto Shot, Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show
Changes: - You don't need to define a spell with the #showtooltip command. Leaving it out will let the icon and tool tip cycle through the attack that is currently being executed.
- Changing the reset from 1.96 to 1. The reset command has nothing to do with your weapons speed provided it is set lower than the speed of your weapon. It just determines how long the /castsequence macro should wait, if the button is not pressed, to start over at the beginning. If you are spamming the macro in a long fight the reset command is never triggered because you are hitting the button more than once every 1.96 seconds. I just have mine at 1 so it will go back to the beginning in between pulls.
- Moving Auto Shot before Steady Shot will start off with an Auto. This begins your DPS cycle sooner
- Adding "!" to Auto Shot will make the command only turn Auto Shot on. Without it the line in the macro is a toggle turning Auto Shot on and off.
- Moving the Kill Command to after the /castsequence has fixed the Auto Shot lockups for some users.
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Out of curiosity, why do people still use the cast sequence version of the macro? It prevents a 3:2 rotation and takes any joy of actually putting skill into the game by trying to perfect a 1:1 rotation manually (which is easy enough as is).
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[W:From] [Daorchuntard]: your my hero
[W:From] [Daorchuntard]: sick mount lol
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03/20/08, 8:17 PM
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#2463
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Hunter
Shadowsong
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what version could you use without cast sequence - new to this
also, what if i wanted to add a arcane shot when its ready to the macro - how would i code that
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03/20/08, 8:31 PM
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#2464
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Piston Honda
Blood Elf Death Knight
Nazgrel
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Originally Posted by Miren
This is the macro I use and I spam it. I will post logs tonight, after BT.
I expect recomendations.
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/cast [target=pettarget] Kill Command
/castsequence reset=1.96 Steady Shot, Auto Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show
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I suspect part of it is your macro, you should be doing higher dps with your gear I think.
I did 1129 overall in Hyjal the other night, 1544 on Winterchill (I wasn't in on the other bosses after that). I'm in T4/Kara/ZA/Badge gear (picked up two upgrades since then, one in Hyjal and one last night in BT). My raid pet is a ravager. WWS from that night are at: Wow Web Stats I had a good night, though. I generally average about 900-1000 dps overall with about 1200 on a boss fight.
The macro I use is the regular /cast macro:
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
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03/21/08, 12:32 AM
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#2465
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Glass Joe
Dwarf Hunter
Chromaggus (EU)
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Do you spam this ? I try to adjust the shooting with hand but because of latency and laziness sometimes, I prefer spamming. Here is the log I gather using your shot macro:
Wow Web Stats
Comments are very appreciated.
Thank you
Last edited by Miren : 03/21/08 at 12:50 AM.
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03/21/08, 1:14 AM
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#2466
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Piston Honda
Blood Elf Death Knight
Nazgrel
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Yes, I have it bound to a mouse button and spam it constantly. I find that for me, spamming the macro works better than manual weaving. It allows me to concentrate more on the fight and what's going on than mashing different buttons or clicking around the screen (I'm mostly a clicker).
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03/21/08, 2:38 AM
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#2467
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Von Kaiser
Dwarf Hunter
Mug'thol (EU)
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Hey guys,
This is my first EJ post so here's hoping I get everything you need to know down.
My guild is currently progressing SSC 3/6 and TK 3/4 but I feel like my dps is way short of what it should be. Currently specced in the cookie cutter BM build, 41/20/0, but my gear is still mostly of kara/badge/Vengeful/ZA gear ( armory). I haven't had much luck in ZA getting some of the better pieces unfortunately. Within my guild I'm posting alright numbers, usually 2-5 in the damage counts, but I think the absolute numbers are just to darn low.
This is a readout from an SSC run that's pretty typical of my performance:
Hydross the unstable
Lurker Below
Dps on lurker is much lower since my pet just sat beside me the whole time on the platforms (have read up on how to get him in the battle) but hydross is a pretty good indicator of my flat out tank&spank dps.
I'm wondering if you guys can tell me if I'm doing about the right dps for my gear or not. DPS spreadsheet puts me at about 1350dps so I'm guessing that I'm doing something wrong in my play style too. I've got the standard 1:1 macro and can use it fairly well... is it just a matter of polishing up my reaction and getting more experience with the fights so that i can be dps'ing for a greater percentage of the time or do I just wait on better gear?
I've been talking to the hunters in my guild and I just can't seem to figure out what else to improve upon.
Thanks a bunch!
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03/21/08, 7:05 AM
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#2468
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Free Arrows For Life
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#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/castrandom !Auto Shot, Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill command
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Lightning Breath
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show()
This is currently the best DPS macro.
You can change to.
/castrandom Multi-Shot, !Auto Shot
This will make it more mana intensive, but will do higher DPS while under low or no haste. It will do less DPS under multiple haste procs.
Best two trinkets in the game are gonna be different for different people, but it all comes down to hit rating. Nothing beats DST, so that's your #1 until late Sunwell. If you don't have one, PUG it every week until you get one. Mine took me over a year of leading PUG's before I saw my first one drop. After that, if you need hit rating, Madness is the second best. If you don't need hit rating, Berserker's Call is best. I know those weren't a part of the trinkets you listed, but anything less is just inferior.
The real deciding factor is a boomkin. If you don't raid with a boomkin, then chances are Madness will be better for you.
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03/21/08, 7:06 AM
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#2469
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Glass Joe
Dwarf Hunter
Chromaggus (EU)
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According to these logs from WWS:
Wow Web Stats
My current Armory: (I know some enchants and gems are missing, I will do them asap)
The World of Warcraft Armory
And the macro I use which is I am spamming:
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
Please give me some feedbacks about my LOW dmg. According to cheekeys sheet I should do around 1000ish DPS atm
but I cant get past, 700 now which shows something wrong.
Thank you.
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03/21/08, 7:48 AM
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#2470
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Glass Joe
Troll Hunter
Daggerspine (EU)
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1. Youre dps time is low
2. Youre doing more auto shots then steady’s that’s should be reversed (AS-SS-SS-AS-SS)
3. The sheet goes out from a ideal situation
Originally Posted by Kamaa
Any hunter leaving Kara can do 1k dps.
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True doing 1k+ at gruul/vr/lurker.
Last edited by Axejess : 03/21/08 at 10:55 AM.
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03/21/08, 8:01 AM
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#2471
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Free Arrows For Life
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Originally Posted by Miren
According to these logs from WWS:
Wow Web Stats
My current Armory: (I know some enchants and gems are missing, I will do them asap)
The World of Warcraft Armory
And the macro I use which is I am spamming:
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
Please give me some feedbacks about my LOW dmg. According to cheekeys sheet I should do around 1000ish DPS atm
but I cant get past, 700 now which shows something wrong.
Thank you.
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It must be nice to be carried. I hate you. Now that I've got that out of my system, I'll try to help. Your biggest and most obvious problem is that you are lazy. You're missing enchants, your gems are all wrong, your spec is wrong. People have pointed out these three things to you already and you haven't changed them, yet here you are again. No amount of advice can fix lazy. That's up to you. You're in those raids because either somebody likes you, or they're desperate. If you want to keep your spot I'd advise dropping the lazy part.
Also, having looked at your gear, and then importing your gear to Cheeky's from the armory, I realize you're using the spreadsheet wrong too. You should be doing around 1500+ DPS. Not 1,000. That's without consumables. I see you used a flask in the WWS. It's not better than agi/mageblood elixirs, but it's a good choice if you're dying a lot.
The fights you posted are all terrible for determining poor shot rotation. There is too much movement and pet micro management. Try to post a WWS from lurker, bear boss in ZA, any of the first 4/5 Hyjal fights, or Gorefiend. (if they will take you)
So:
Fix your gems. (Use pure agi in red, use hit/agi gems in yellow until you're at the hit cap, and use agi/stam gems in blue. If the socket bonus is something like stam or resil, then just use straight agi gems.)
Fix your enchants. (Agi gloves, exalted, scryer/aldor exalted on shoulders, 6 stats to chest, and epic leg armor.)
Fix your spec. (Check my armory and use that.) The World of Warcraft Armory (It's showing me without some gems right now, odd.)
Fix your macro.
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/castrandom !Auto Shot, Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill command
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Lightning Breath
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show()
Use mana oil(s) on your weapon(s) to increase the duration of your mana pool.
I've come off harsh in this post, but I do not apologize. I'll be honest with you. Right now, you are a terrible hunter and you give hunters a terrible name. Everything you've posted embodies the word "huntard". However, you asked for help, and that means you're redeemable. Take the advice I listed above, coupled with the more polite hints from the others, and then get us some more useful WWS logs. I think you'll see some immediate improvements if you act on the advice given here. The advice I've given you will not make you the ultimate hunter, but it will be enough to put you well above 1K dps. Any hunter leaving Kara can do 1k dps.
Good luck. Let us know how it goes.
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03/21/08, 9:51 AM
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#2472
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Glass Joe
Dwarf Hunter
Chromaggus (EU)
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Originally Posted by Kamaa
It must be nice to be carried. I hate you. Now that I've got that out of my system, I'll try to help. Your biggest and most obvious problem is that you are lazy. You're missing enchants, your gems are all wrong, your spec is wrong. People have pointed out these three things to you already and you haven't changed them, yet here you are again. No amount of advice can fix lazy. That's up to you. You're in those raids because either somebody likes you, or they're desperate. If you want to keep your spot I'd advise dropping the lazy part.
Also, having looked at your gear, and then importing your gear to Cheeky's from the armory, I realize you're using the spreadsheet wrong too. You should be doing around 1500+ DPS. Not 1,000. That's without consumables. I see you used a flask in the WWS. It's not better than agi/mageblood elixirs, but it's a good choice if you're dying a lot.
The fights you posted are all terrible for determining poor shot rotation. There is too much movement and pet micro management. Try to post a WWS from lurker, bear boss in ZA, any of the first 4/5 Hyjal fights, or Gorefiend. (if they will take you)
So:
Fix your gems. (Use pure agi in red, use hit/agi gems in yellow until you're at the hit cap, and use agi/stam gems in blue. If the socket bonus is something like stam or resil, then just use straight agi gems.)
Fix your enchants. (Agi gloves, exalted, scryer/aldor exalted on shoulders, 6 stats to chest, and epic leg armor.)
Fix your spec. (Check my armory and use that.) The World of Warcraft Armory (It's showing me without some gems right now, odd.)
Fix your macro.
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/castrandom !Auto Shot, Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill command
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Lightning Breath
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show()
Use mana oil(s) on your weapon(s) to increase the duration of your mana pool.
I've come off harsh in this post, but I do not apologize. I'll be honest with you. Right now, you are a terrible hunter and you give hunters a terrible name. Everything you've posted embodies the word "huntard". However, you asked for help, and that means you're redeemable. Take the advice I listed above, coupled with the more polite hints from the others, and then get us some more useful WWS logs. I think you'll see some immediate improvements if you act on the advice given here. The advice I've given you will not make you the ultimate hunter, but it will be enough to put you well above 1K dps. Any hunter leaving Kara can do 1k dps.
Good luck. Let us know how it goes.
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Actually, that post make me really happy, that was really I was looking for. A Slap in the face, to make me see all the wrong things. Only I have 1 thing to say, for enchants (+12 Agi on Head, 50Ap 12Crit on Legs) I am farming the stuff for them (specially 10 mote of air for leg enchant) because I hate to buy stuff from AH when I have a chance to farm them.
I will try to gather all the stuff today (means I will spend gold for every enchant and post the new results tomorrow).
Again, Thank you.
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03/21/08, 9:52 AM
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#2473
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Hunter
Bonechewer
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Originally Posted by Miren
According to these logs from WWS:
Wow Web Stats
My current Armory: (I know some enchants and gems are missing, I will do them asap)
The World of Warcraft Armory
And the macro I use which is I am spamming:
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
Please give me some feedbacks about my LOW dmg. According to cheekeys sheet I should do around 1000ish DPS atm
but I cant get past, 700 now which shows something wrong.
Thank you.
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I won't reiterate that your enchants,gems need work.
The first obvious thing i notice is that your pet is only doing 250dps on VR. That is horrendous  . The dps time in is only 61%. You need to work on your pet management.
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03/21/08, 10:25 AM
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#2474
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Don Flamenco
Tapz
Tauren Druid
No WoW Account
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I am curious to know what other Hunter's do during Void Reaver in regards to pet management? Do you "bob and weave" with your pet to avoid getting too much threat on it, do you keep your pet in and let him attack, or do you keep your pet at your side merely for Focused Fire/Bestial Wrath (if a BM spec)?
With the two piece Tier 5 bonus, I have left my cat in the last few fights and let him just DPS (between that bonus and Mend Pet, I have no problems keeping him alive), however the tanks in the alliance guild that we play with have insuinated that keeping a pet in and attacking with the 2.3 mechanics (pet attacking from behind now), it can pull Void Reaver off course and cause him to "shuffle" towards pets. I keep a close eye on Omen, and my pet isn't above the tanks in threat (though he is fairly high on the table). I have not experienced this scenario to date, even killing Void Reaver past 2.3, but not leaving my cat in for as long as I have during recent weeks, and not with the current guild I am raiding with
I'm looking for some other experiences, as I find this rather odd, or am I just being daft, and should not let my cat be in there the whole time?
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03/21/08, 10:35 AM
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#2475
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Glass Joe
Troll Hunter
Kil'Jaeden (EU)
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Hey Guys, im just asking myself if my DPS is good at all for our Progress.
My guild is currently progressing SSC 2/6 and TK 1/4.
I'm a little bit confused with WWS so I dont have an WWS Report at the moment, but my DPS is around 1k to 1,1k.
My Armory: The World of Warcraft Armory
Actually i have too low Hit, and i use 20 Hit Buffood. My Breastplate is imho. crap, but i don't wnat to loose more Hit.
The Gladiator Legs should be replaced with the HC Legs with Epic Enchant
I'm spamming currently this Macro:
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill command
/cast Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
Is my DPS good at all?
btw. Sorry for my english 
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