Best possible DPS in Cheeky's Spreadsheet - Page 5

Midnight · 02/12/08, 6:06 AM

Originally Posted by Kamaa

Honestly, one of the things I look forward to modeling most is 4 pc T5 and 4pc T6. Even if it's not the end all see all best DPS, (and it may be) that's some very good bonuses for a BM hunter.

Huh? At least the 4 pc T6 bonus definatly is modeled into the spreadsheet. Check the steady shot calculations, in cell J19 there´s the Gronnstalker Bonus. I´m also pretty sure the 4 pc T5 bonus is modeled too, even though I didn´t check it out now. There´s a reason why about every Best-DPS template presented here includes 4 pc T6.

Cheeky · 02/12/08, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Midnight

Huh? At least the 4 pc T6 bonus definatly is modeled into the spreadsheet. Check the steady shot calculations, in cell J19 there´s the Gronnstalker Bonus. I´m also pretty sure the 4 pc T5 bonus is modeled too, even though I didn´t check it out now. There´s a reason why about every Best-DPS template presented here includes 4 pc T6.

I think he's talking about stacking the two 4-piece bonuses.

I'm not sure if 5% extra Steady crit is worth the stat difference to lug around 4 pieces of T5 gear when you have T6 available for those slots. I think the 2-piece T5 bonus will probably be something you swap in based on specific fights though.

Midnight · 02/13/08, 7:45 AM

Alright as version 43 of the spreadsheet is release with 2.4 content items I assume we´ll get far better results soon. I´ll not use those results before 2.4 is released though. The Best-DPS template is supposed to be kind of a list of best equippment that currently can be aquired on live server. Feel free to start creating and refining a new set with 43 though.

Guran · 02/13/08, 10:50 AM

I was able to get up to

Hunter DPS: 1550.39
Pet DPS: 518.48
Total DPS: 2068.87

using the same setup as the previous top dps but just changed the shot rotation settings around. (No new gear.)

Kamaa · 02/15/08, 9:11 AM

Unless there are some very good sunwell shoulders available, this may make the BM shoulders viable. We can get our 4 piece bonus from elsewhere and now have a pet that is beefier than ever. Let the experiments begin, but don't get too carried away. Stats can still change.

Tiberium · 02/16/08, 3:48 AM

With all due respect to you BM guys out there, this thread holds little interest to 50% ish of the hunter community. It's high time that we introduced a MM and SV "high" DPS mark if for no other reason than the information gleaned can be ground breaking and save each and every one of us hours of testing time.

The one problem that I see though to get MM or SV high numbers we would need to include the "slightly dubious" 2:1 rotation which isn't modelled yet. On top of this to get 2200 approx DPS from either spec involves a rediculous amount of group support, consumable use, procs, drum rotations etc to bring SV or MM back to essentially a 1:1 rotation for a period of say 2 mins. Then you could see SV or MM top BM numbers. None of which is at all feasible to be modelled by Cheeky.

Nonetheless a SV and MM high mark would provide invaluable information,

Kamaa · 02/26/08, 7:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tiberium

With all due respect to you BM guys out there, this thread holds little interest to 50% ish of the hunter community. It's high time that we introduced a MM and SV "high" DPS mark if for no other reason than the information gleaned can be ground breaking and save each and every one of us hours of testing time.

The one problem that I see though to get MM or SV high numbers we would need to include the "slightly dubious" 2:1 rotation which isn't modelled yet. On top of this to get 2200 approx DPS from either spec involves a rediculous amount of group support, consumable use, procs, drum rotations etc to bring SV or MM back to essentially a 1:1 rotation for a period of say 2 mins. Then you could see SV or MM top BM numbers. None of which is at all feasible to be modelled by Cheeky.

Nonetheless a SV and MM high mark would provide invaluable information,

There is nothing stopping anybody from doing this, and if a person were to post a highest DPS for MM/SV I'm sure Midnight would be willing to add that information to the original post. The problem is that mathematically MM/SV specs can't really compete with BM. It's only in practice with variable factors that MM/SV is able to pull ahead.

Pippyn · 02/29/08, 5:24 PM

Family Wind Serpent
Level 70
Loyalty Best Friend
Happiness Happy

Base DPS 290.50
Special DPS 114.84
KC DPS 107.28
Total Pet DPS 512.62

Hunter DPS 1535.37
Total DPS 2047.98
Ranged Critical Hit Chance 33.23%
Ranged Hit Chance 99.95%
Penetration 843.82 (averaged madness procs)
Haste 25

41/20/0 with Imp Hunter's mark. 3:2 Steady Spam shot ratio with multi priority during QS, DST procs.

Orc
[Dagger of Bad Mojo]
Greater Agility (One Hand)

[Dagger of Bad Mojo]
Greater Agility (One Hand)

[Cursed Vision of Sargeras]
[Glyph of Ferocity]
[Delicate Crimson Spinel]
[Relentless Earthstorm Diamond]

[Telonicus's Pendant of Mayhem]

[Gronnstalker's Spaulders]
[Greater Inscription of Vengeance]
[Glinting Pyrestone]
[Shifting Shadowsong Amethyst]

[Cloak of Fiends]
Greater Agility

[Gronnstalker's Chestguard]
Exceptional Stats
[Delicate Crimson Spinel]
[Glinting Pyrestone]
[Glinting Pyrestone]

[Insidious Bands]
Assault
[Glinting Pyrestone]

[Gronnstalker's Gloves]
Superior Agility
[Delicate Crimson Spinel]

[Boneweave Girdle]

[Gronnstalker's Leggings]
[Nethercobra Leg Armor]
[Delicate Crimson Spinel]

[Shadowmaster's Boots]
Dexterity
[Shifting Shadowsong Amethyst]
[Glinting Pyrestone]

[Stormrage Signet Ring]
Stats

[Band of the Eternal Champion]
Stats

[Dragonspine Trophy]

[Madness of the Betrayer]

[Bristleblitz Striker]
[Stabilized Eternium Scope]

[Quiver of a Thousand Feathers]

[Timeless Arrow]

Tiberium · 03/02/08, 9:22 AM

SURVIVAL SPEC HIGH

There are a gazzillion problems optimising a Survival spec for DPS using Cheekys Spreadsheet however the number is there for all to shoot at. The optimum talents are 0//29//32 with 4 points in RWS and 2 in EW. This completely ignores TotH as it returns zero DPS.

Without a 2:1 SS AS spam rotation to support either MM or SV specs this excerise is going to show skewed results I'm afraid.

Complete DPS:
Pet DPS 289.95 15.41%
Hunter DPS 1591.59 84.59%
Total DPS 1881.54%

Pet:
Wind Serpent

Pet Abilities in order of priority:
Bite
Lightning Breath

Race:
Orc

Professions:
JC

Weapon

2 X [Dagger of Bad Mojo]
[Scroll of Enchant Gloves - Major Agility]

Helmet:
[Cursed Vision of Sargeras]

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Midnight · 03/02/08, 9:38 AM

I think we should put the new Best-DPS setups on hold until 2.4 goes live and the corrosponding spreadsheet from Cheeky is done, because - honestly - all those pre-2.4 reports will be outdated and outmatched by than.

Having said this - like Kamaa suggested I´ll gladly include Best-DPS builds for every spec in my opening post if you provide me with the data after 2.4 goes live.

Kamaa · 03/20/08, 11:30 AM

I've nearly got the current best DPS list. I'm a handful of pieces away and I'm loving it. I just wanted to post here so that the thread wasn't forgotten, and to let people know I'm working on a sunwell list. We may finally replace the DST, and I hope you didn't spend too much DKP on that T6 chest. It's gone. Looks like vision was a good buy though. I don't see a replacement for that one.

Anywho, make sure you keep an open mind and look forward to the upgrades to come. ;-)

Reinforce · 03/24/08, 12:38 PM

When 2.4 goes live, will the spreadsheet be updated with the newest items?

Cheeky · 03/24/08, 1:27 PM

Originally Posted by Reinforce

When 2.4 goes live, will the spreadsheet be updated with the newest items?

Most of them are already in the spreadsheet. I hope to have the rest entered (and the new T6 corrected) tonight, pending wife aggro.

Reinforce · 03/24/08, 1:49 PM

Alright, thanks Cheeky!

Midnight · 03/25/08, 12:18 PM

Alright folks, 2.4 is about to hit life, a new version of the spreadsheet has been release (46) I think we can start to pick up the project again. I allowed the choice of Elixir of Major Agility, edited my first post a bit to reflect the latest changes and am awaiting your input.

Enova · 03/25/08, 1:27 PM

Originally Posted by Midnight

Alright folks, 2.4 is about to hit life, a new version of the spreadsheet has been release (46) I think we can start to pick up the project again. I allowed the choice of Elixir of Major Agility, edited my first post a bit to reflect the latest changes and am awaiting your input.

Mind if I suggest steering away from Thori'dal, until we actually have someone test it on the field? The mechanics behind it are pretty simple, but I can see a lot of ways to bug it.

Kamaa · 03/27/08, 3:43 PM

I've suggested it before and I'll suggest it again. Why not make curse of shadows a debuff? It is a very common debuff and it will actually have an impact on the DPS of certain specs.

As an afterthought, things available only from crafting are questionable, ie gems and ring enchants. I say this only because drums aren't modeled, and I think the small benefits from enchants and gems would be hard pressed to outweigh a drum. If Cheeky decides to model drums then that would definitely change things.

Jimmysnuka · 03/27/08, 3:51 PM

My 2.4 dream list thus far

I didn't include the ledgendary and made a custom ring to match Band of Ruinous Delight stats as it's showing 30 agi instead of 30 stam atm and no food on me or my pet.

Standard 41/20 BM 1:1 priority rotation (hand-weaved)
Total DPS: 2331.25
Hunter DPS: 1812.86
Pet DPS: 518.39 (WS)
Crit Chance: 36.32
Hit Chance: 99.88
Date of submission: 27-03-08

Orc
[Shivering Felspine]
Major Agility (Two Hand)
Wicked Pyrestone (10 AP, 5 Crit)
[Duplicitous Guise]
Glyph of Ferocity
Relentless Earthstorm Diamond (12 Agi)
Shifting Shadowsong Amethyst (5 Agi, 7 Sta)
[Clutch of Demise]
[Mantle of the Golden Forest]
Greater Inscription of Vengeance
Delicate Crimson Spinel (10 Agi)
Delicate Crimson Spinel (10 Agi)
[Thalassian Wildercloak]
Greater Agility
[Bladed Chaos Tunic]
Exceptional Stats
Shifting Shadowsong Amethyst (5 Agi, 7 Sta)
Wicked Pyrestone (10 AP, 5 Crit)
Delicate Crimson Spinel (10 Agi)
[Gronnstalker's Bracers]
Assault
Delicate Crimson Spinel (10 Agi)
[Gronnstalker's Gloves]
Superior Agility
Delicate Crimson Spinel (10 Agi)
[Gronnstalker's Belt]
Delicate Crimson Spinel (10 Agi)
[Leggings of the Immortal Night]
Nethercobra Leg Armor
Delicate Crimson Spinel (10 Agi)
Delicate Crimson Spinel (10 Agi)
Delicate Crimson Spinel (10 Agi)
[Gronnstalker's Boots]
Dexterity
Wicked Pyrestone (10 AP, 5 Crit)
[Angelista's Revenge]
[Band of Ruinous Delight]
[Dragonspine Trophy]
[Madness of the Betrayer]
[Golden Bow of Quel'Thalas]
Stabilized Eternium Scope
[Timeless Arrow]

Kamaa · 03/27/08, 4:16 PM

I'm struggling to reproduce your results. Would you mind double checking your buffs?

Jimmysnuka · 03/27/08, 5:02 PM

I tired hosting a screenshot of my buffs page but works security wouldn't alow it

Anyways, I tried to follow the buffs as closely as possible to the guidlines set in the OP. This is what I have, I think it's right.

Hunter Buffs:
BoK, enhanced BoM, enhanced AB, enhanced GotW, Elixir of Major Agility, Elixir of Major Mageblood

Pet Buffs:
BoK, enhanced BoM, enhanced GotW

Target Debuffs
5/5 Sunders, CoR, Faerie Fire (Not enhanced)

If your still having difficulty reproducing it, make sure your running version 46 with a 1:1 (priority), Hand-Weaved, 0.2 sec latency rotation. As well make sure to make and use a custom ring in place of the Band of Ruinous Delight as it's stats are a bit off atm.

Kamaa · 03/27/08, 8:32 PM

I still can't duplicate Jimmy's results. The error lies somewhere in the crit. I keep coming a little crit and DPS shy of his results. Either way, I took some of his ideas and added a few of my own. Here are my results thus far. The legendary, bow lacks hit rating, haste and procs so it shouldn't change the rest of the gear. When you upgrade to it. I'll show DPS totals with and without it.

With [Thori'dal, the Stars' Fury] + [Stabilized Eternium Scope]
(I can't link it from wowhead apparently.)

Pet DPS Breakdown
Melee DPS 294.76 54.97%
Special DPS 130.72 24.38%
KC DPS 110.72 20.65%
Total Pet DPS 536.20 100.00%

Hunter DPS 1953.69
Total DPS 2489.89
Ranged Critical Hit Chance vs. Level 73 37.42%
Ranged Hit Chance vs. Level 73 99.88%

With [Golden Bow of Quel'Thalas] + [Stabilized Eternium Scope] + [Timeless Arrow] + [Quiver of a Thousand Feathers]

Pet DPS Breakdown
Melee DPS 294.80 55.01%
Special DPS 130.72 24.39%
KC DPS 110.41 20.60%
Total Pet DPS 535.93 100.00%

Hunter DPS 1832.01
Total DPS 2367.94
Ranged Critical Hit Chance vs. Level 73 36.73%
Ranged Hit Chance vs. Level 73 99.88%

The Rest:

Orc
JC/Enchanter
41/20 with Imp Hunters Mark

3:2 Spam rotation with no haste procs.
1:1 Priority (Multi/Steady) for Quick Shots
1:1 Steady/Auto for DST procs.

Pet is Wind Serpent with Bite > LB

Main Hand
[Shiv of Exsanguination]
[Enchant Weapon - Greater Agility]

Off Hand
[Shiv of Exsanguination]
[Enchant Weapon - Greater Agility]

Head
[Duplicitous Guise]

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Ceph · 03/27/08, 9:32 PM

Kamaa, delicate fire ruby doesn't exist in game yet. Also you used JC only gems, ring enchants and a BoP leatherworking chest. I assume sticking to 2 professions is part of the rules.

Kamaa · 03/27/08, 9:45 PM

Originally Posted by Ceph

Kamaa, delicate fire ruby doesn't exist in game yet. Also you used JC only gems, ring enchants and a BoP leatherworking chest. I assume sticking to 2 professions is part of the rules.

The chest I used is actually not a LW item, but the gloves are, so I assume that's what you meant. Good catch. I'll edit my post to reflect the dropping of JC. Blame Cheeky for the delicate fire ruby. ;-p

Edit: I was correct the first time and changed my post back to its original state. (minus the delicate fire ruby)

Ceph · 03/27/08, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Kamaa

The chest I used is actually not a LW item, but the gloves are, so I assume that's what you meant. Good catch. I'll edit my post to reflect the dropping of JC. Blame Cheeky for the delicate fire ruby. ;-p

It's the other way around. The chest patterns are boe and create a bop item. The glove patterns are bop and create a boe item.

Edit: I already have the mats sitting in my bank for the gloves.

Kamaa · 03/27/08, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by Ceph

It's the other way around. The chest patterns are boe and create a bop item. The glove patterns are bop and create a boe item.

Edit: I already have the mats sitting in my bank for the gloves.

The chest isn't a LW item. You're mistaken and I changed my post for nothing. Grrrr.