Marksmanship Theorycraft & Strategy - Page 12

Jintra · 11/13/08, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Sarutobi

Using the level 80 gearset Shandara has in the spreadsheet, and a 16/51/4 build (highest DPS build I've seen in so far in working with the spreadsheet) going from 3/3 WQ 2/3 Imp SS to 2/3 WQ 3/3 Imp SS was a 12 DPS loss.

I've worked myself through your last 40 posts and couldn't find something so I'm asking here:
Can you link the 16:51:4 build?

16 and 4 are no brainers but I'm wondering how you spent the 51 Points in MM.

I was aiming for a straight 11/53/7 so I'm wondering what to sacrifice for which gains (a link to the threaddiscussing this build will do. I'll work myself through it :> )
Thanks in advance

Edit: 16/51/04 This, i guess !?

Syrene · 11/13/08, 2:15 PM

What seems to be the preferred rotation for MM with these new talents. Arcane shot seems to hit for very small amounts. Is it just chimera and Aimed/multi on cooldown? Also what are the relative values for piercing shots and WQ (I saw WQ was 5% on auto damage earlier in the thread.) WQ seems to be 3% of my dps on dummies on live. Any links to the math on both those talents?

Enova · 11/13/08, 2:21 PM

Originally Posted by Howitzer

It greatly amuses me that after months of being the "special kid" that loved the MM spec, its now become so much more viable, (gotta love it.) I'm going to have to update the original post here soon with the new information since its clearly ood. Bear with me.

Without meaning to interfere with your thread, but, given the new forum layout and class forums it would probably be a lot easier to follow if you just started a new one with your updated post.

◊ Sarutobi · 11/13/08, 4:28 PM

Originally Posted by Jintra

Edit: 16/51/04 This, i guess !?

Close. I've found that Combat Experience gives a bit more DPS per point than Piercing Shots. Points not needed in Focused Aim can go to Efficiency or Piercing Shots. Neither appear to provide much of a DPS boost, but Piercing Shots appears to provide slightly more of one.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

EDIT: Forgot to mention swapping the Rapid Fire glyph in for the Hunter's Mark glyph.

Originally Posted by Syrene

What seems to be the preferred rotation for MM with these new talents. Arcane shot seems to hit for very small amounts. Is it just chimera and Aimed/multi on cooldown? Also what are the relative values for piercing shots and WQ (I saw WQ was 5% on auto damage earlier in the thread.) WQ seems to be 3% of my dps on dummies on live. Any links to the math on both those talents?

Keep Serpent up at all times, Chimera Shot, Steady Shot till it's off cooldown. Arcane Shot is a waste of mana, Aimed Shot doesn't hit for enough more than Steady to really be worth the additional mana and reset auto-shot cooldown. Checked a couple builds with/without (imp) Barrage using either multi-shot or aimed and both turned out to be a slight loss in DPS (MS moreso, not sure if aimed resetting the auto shot cooldown is modeled in the spreadsheet or not.)

In practice, 3/3 WQ is 2-3% of total DPS. After the changes to armor penetration, Piercing shots just isn't worth the points unless you can afford to take (up to) 2 out of Focused Aim. Everything above it in the tree, and the talents in BM/SV provide more DPS per point and aren't worth dropping for it.

KraxisSingular · 11/13/08, 5:28 PM

Originally Posted by Sarutobi

In practice, 3/3 WQ is 2-3% of total DPS. After the changes to armor penetration, Piercing shots just isn't worth the points unless you can afford to take (up to) 2 out of Focused Aim. Everything above it in the tree, and the talents in BM/SV provide more DPS per point and aren't worth dropping for it.

In that case it is likely better to put the points in Unleashed Fury rather than Piercing Shots. MM pets aren't far from the magical 20% mark where UF is better than dabbling in Surv. That means a poor talent like Piercing Shots should simply be forgotten... Just act like you never saw it. It didn't happen.

◊ Sarutobi · 11/13/08, 5:37 PM

Originally Posted by KraxisSingular

In that case it is likely better to put the points in Unleashed Fury rather than Piercing Shots. MM pets aren't far from the magical 20% mark where UF is better than dabbling in Surv. That means a poor talent like Piercing Shots should simply be forgotten... Just act like you never saw it. It didn't happen.

The problem there though, is that you wouldn't be able to take the points out of Piercing Shots to put them into the BM tree. You're already at the minimum 51 to get Chimera Shot. I think I tried a couple builds in teh spreadsheet with removing the imp tracking points and getting the additional crit but seeing a slight damage decrease. I'll take a look again.

And I'm in agreement on forgetting Piercing Shots ever existed.

EDIT: In the build I linked, UF is already maxed out as it's more DPS per point than Imp Tracking or any other talents in MM I checked. Was confusing UF with Ferocity for some reason. Imp Tracking does definitely give more DPS per point than 8% pet crit.