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I'm messing around trying to perfect such a macro right now. I just respecced into 0/43/18 (no longer raiding and mostly PvP), and since I don't have IAotH I'm thinking a BM-like clickwheel macro will work for me.

Disclaimer: Even though I've been BM since tBC launch, I've always poo-pooed macros. I'm still a MM raider at heart I guess and always wove manually. Over the weekend though, I decided to experiment with a clickwheel spam macro and I must admit I'm now macro-curious. Anything that helps me pay better attention to other stuff on the PvP battlefield is Good(TM).

Anyway, I'll post what I've got as soon as I'm sure it's not clipping Autoshots.

in repsonse to Erilar and a queation of my own

I just respeced MM, and have found a hige dps inceese from timing you shots ie 1:1 and and spamming a bm macro

/!ast !autoshot
/cst steady shot

the rotation looks like

Auto Auto
steady steady steady steady............

howitzer or anyoone else that is an expernced MM hunter. is this a good shot rotation? i do about 840 dps with it.

I have recently specced MM for raiding, so I am not an expert, mostly still learning. Looking at what you posted, are you using anything besides that macro? If not, seems as though you are most likely hurting your DPS by not using your Multi and arcane. Again, I'm not sure what your rotation is exactly, just going by what is there.

Irimli - I checked Acearan's spec - he's actually 41/20 BM, not MM. So, that's probably pretty close to his ideal rotation.

He doesn't have any haste gear I could see, and his bow is a little slower than mine was when I was BM. So, I'm guessing he can weave in a special without messing up his rotation. Per Cheeky's spreadsheet, my ideal rotation even as BM included an Arcane or Multi at that shot speed. So, Acearan - grab that spreadsheet from the Shot Rotation thread and put in all your gear. You may be able to put another special shot into that macro. Even if you can't fit in an Arcane or Multi, you should definitely consider putting a Kill Command autotrigger into the macro.

Try something like this one:

/cast !Auto Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill command
/cast Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

If that doesn't give you the 1-steady-per-1-auto rotation you're going for, then head over to the BM raiding forum - there's a lot of great rotation and macro discussion there (even if things have gotten kind of confused after the 2.3.2 hotfix).

no i respec back for za, i was 7/?/0 As MM. I was referign to my MM rotation

Try this out, Exbox and Acearan:

Produces a clean 1:1.5 rotation for me when spammed via mousewheel. If you happen to have Improved Arcane Shot and want an Arcane-only rotation, then simply remove the comma and Multi-Shot from the third line.

Macro doesn't seem to clip Autos, but I'm still testing and fiddling - so install with grain of salt. (I haven't tried the version including Multi, but it should be fine.)

I know manual MM rotations are pretty simple, but I'm brand new to PvP and this mousewheel-macro helps me focus on the other 11,452 things going on around me.

Just tried this out in a couple AB's and seems to work pretty good. The only problem I see with it is the Kill Command line. I was going OOM very quickly, and I don't see that KC is worth spamming like that for a MM hunter.

However, the rotation that it was producing was pretty much right on. I have imp arcane shot, but I wouldn't remove the multi line, especially if your deep in the marks tree. Are you referring to people that only have up to imp arcane in marks? If not, I don't see why anyone wouldn't want the multi line in there. But thanks for the macro, going to keep testing it out, but so far I like it.

I'm looking at all the new loots in 2.4 and I'm thinking: "Why the hell is there SO much haste rating everywhere?" Jeez, I mean - with spell haste it's understandable with it reducing GCD and all, but I must have missed the part where haste was supposed to be great for melee classes. AFAIK a rogue would be better off getting more crit or attack power.

But anyway, my point is - how does this fit in with the lifestyle (and shot rotation) of a MM hunter? Is blizzard openly telling us to respec? I'm really bad at maths, and as such - a bad theorycrafter, so this thing with haste taking over the world is really making me frustrated.

If only Cheeky or Lactose or Howitzer could share their opinions with us

I was thinking about this same thing. With all the haste gear, its going to be difficult to keep a 1:1.5 rotation. I guess the thing would be to avoid as much haste gear as possible, unless of course there is another rotation worth adopting. For BM hunters this looks nice, however even to much haste can be bad for them if I am not mistaken. I guess we will have to see what the experts say.

Hey there again. I was doing a little testing around on the live servers with haste... And was wondering if anyone saw a change on the PTR's with haste affecting the steady shot + GCD.

I can't log onto the PTR's because I renewed my account Feburary Second.. they had to be up on the first

Anyway, Thinking about it, would all the haste gear in Sunwell/BT actually make Marks a 1:1 ratio up to a point?

Wouldn't that just beat the point of MM? That's simply trading pet damage for stronger shots, and BM would still outperform MM on a pet-friendly boss. If was to continue being MM, I'd prefer sticking with no haste rating gear even after the patch (except for that stacking AP trinket though), thank God that's still an option.

But as a MM hunter would you want to go 1:1 shot rotation? Whenyour MM specced you put alot of points into Multishot i would ahve to use it. i guess you could go 1:1 subbing in MS or AS but i always see 1:1 as autohot"steadyshoit. Anyway you look at it all that haste would just improve a BM spec as much as a MM spec. Of course you wouldnt need that much haste for BM meaning you can get better stats.

Here is the rotation I use.

It works better the lower ping you have.
I do not have imp. hawk anymore as i found it to disturb the rotation significantly.

The itemization is clearly pointing to BM for tight shot rotations. However, it will still be possible to be Marks with all the haste gear it just won't play the same. It'll be nice for people with 3.0 bows but honestly I wish we could see some 3.2 or 3.4 speeds come out for Marks. Stack those up with haste gear and it would be pretty damn nice for those who preferred MM. I'm still boggled as to why Blizzard is absolutely hell bent on keeping every end game bow at only 2.9 or 3.0 speed for Hunters with almost no variation. Its understandable if there was no haste gear in the game but there is a ton of it. Makes me blood boil, yar!

Anyways, raid season begins again with Sunwell which means 100% BM spec for DPS. I don't think we're going to see any real changes to itemization or classes until WoTLK as stated by Blizzard a few times. 2.4 is just a progression patch and pretty much nothing more.

Aah, ok. To explain, I'm not raiding right now and mostly doing PvP, so more concerned about burst damage. (I'm also still getting used to being MM and not BM, so I just automatically inserted KC. )

I'm also testing an alternate 0/42/19 spec with no Barrage or Imp Barrage (yes, yes go ahead and cry heresy). Instead, I put the points into both Ranged Combat Expert and Careful Aim. With Imp Arcane, I can do a 1:1.5 Arcane-only (no Multi) rotation. This gives me a ~3% DPS advantage (to single-target only) and avoids breaking any CC. Plus, lots more buff dispells. At least that's my hairbrained theory.

Ragarding that the advantage of MM specc is that it's profiting more than any other specc from krits (+7% dmg overall, +3%(+3% added to crit) vs humanoid).

Taking a 2.5 Weapon would take that advantage by lowering average damage dealt.

If I'm missing something, feel free to remediate me in this point.

You will fire more shots in the same time period. This (as can be seen with BM hunters) greatly overshadows everything else.

IMO they should just have engineering cams you can "enchant" bows with that change its speed and dmg so bow dps stays the same but you can "tune" the speed of your bow to match your spec and latency. Thats just me dreamin.

To me all this haste gear is saying PLAY BM for raid DPS. I love MM but with all this haste gear BM will even be better. Blizzard has made its choices: BM PVE DPS, MM PVP, SV raid utility. Maybe this will change after the next expansion but what can you do.

Using a macro like the one posted above with a slight change

/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast !auto shot
/castrandom Arcane Shot, Multi-Shot, Steady Shot -- change shots as needed for mana
/castrandom [target=pettarget, exists] Kill Command -- optional depending on mana
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1

You will find haste becomes a good thing for SV/MM hunters. Just as with BM there will be diminishing returns after a point when you fire the max specials the GCD will allow and the only thing it really impacts is the number of autos fired. Then the only question is - does the amount of item budget the haste on it is eating up compensate for the stat loss on the item.

I personally dont even have arcane and multi in that macro since in my gear they dont do enough extra dmg to offset the 2x or 2.5x extra mana per shot they cost. Same resason you wouldnt use kill command. If 300 pet dmg isnt worth 75 mana then 150 extra shot dmg really isnt worth 100 or 150 mana. Once you hit a level of gearing that includes 4 pieces of t6 you really dont need those shots but if you are in a mana rich group or your gruild is geard enough to make most fights a 2 min fight then leave it in.

I actually disagree, if you manage to get enough haste gear, MM have the capabilities of outperforming BM. The problem is that you are going to need quite a lot of haste (200sh).

Looking at haste stuff availble on PTR is possible to reach that number without throwing too much dps stats, at that point, with proper spec, you'll have higher scaling shots (RWS affect steadys too) and more AP, a pet with higher AP (TSA and more personal AP), at the cost of 0,2 sh seconds in the rotation and pet frenzy/animal handler and BW.

The spec i had in mind is this one.



Sure it's true that BM hunters will have a much easier time itemizing themselves, but MM hunters with proper gear are at least equivalent in dps. Raid utility is another story sadly :S

The only problem with haste as a BM hunter, is of course, clipping autos. Once you fall 'neath the 1.5 second global c/d, it becomes impossible to run a tight rotation and you're most likely just using a more mana efficient spec by just loosing off pure autoshots during your "heavy haste" period of time.

For MM, it would be pretty nice to get around 150-200 speed and run a heavy hitting 1:1 rotation, and just use a multi in place of a steady would allow for the points spent in barrage to be a heavy increase in damage.


Haste, in small doses hurts more than it helps in a BM rotation, but if your non modified speed is 1.5 - 1.9 with a BM Spec, then with QS or Rapid fire the haste would actually provide a time of increased mana regeneration because Autos could be all you fired, thus reducing the time in any given fight you need to have Viper on and then potentially increasing overall damage; thus finding the 3:2 rotation as void.

Right now the 3:2 rotation i think is the highest in damage with no haste modifiers in a BM spec with my gear. of course, my 3:2 macro works for a 1:1 macro, so it can be spammed in any situation. iono. haste makes everything confusing