WotLK Talents & Abilities Discussion - Page 169

Macloud · 10/15/08, 1:43 PM

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: Patch 3.0 BM Shot Macro Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post
Credit goes to Falathiel for posting this in another thread. Making sure this gets seen as the other one was pretty far back. Here it is.

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Rabid
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1

I've seen that having your pet's focus dump ability in there helps make sure it gets cast. The SFX commands are in there so the "failure" sounds don't drive me up a wall.

Please note, this is for level 70 raiding.

***EDIT***

Assuming you have 3/3 Longevity to max the DPS of your pet + refresh its special each time it's up, AND put Bestial Wrath at a 1 min CD, use the following macro to set off KC + TBW for max DPS every 1 min.

/use Bestial Wrath
/use Kill Command
/use (X trinket)

Bikiniwax · 10/15/08, 1:43 PM

Originally Posted by Hevanus

Actually I just looked at my macro again and it occurs to me that because KC is no longer an attack ability, it probably can't be restricted to casting only when your pet is targeting something. As a result, there's not much point in continuing to use my macro unless you don't care about triggering KC early and/or want to have Tranq Shot macro'd via /castrandom.

In summary, you're probably safe replacing most macros with just Steady Shot if you can adjust to casting KC manually.

KC is probably better macro'd with TBW.

Edit: Macloud beat me to it.

Fammaden · 10/15/08, 1:58 PM

Originally Posted by Esoth

I went on live to see if Scorpids were behaving the same - only got to do a tiny bit of testing before the world server crashed. Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft this is my build.

level 70 pet, level 70 test dummy (9+.05*970)*1.25*1.05*1.09*5=411
Multipliers: Happiness, Marked for Death, Spiked Collar, 5 stacks
Observed: ticks for 379 and 380

The 5% AP conversion is what Chul had posted in his formula - no idea if this is correct. Either way, something is wrong with the formula or with my math... but scorpid poison appears to remain OP regardless.

Any more on this? Trying to figure out what pet to go with at 70 post 3.0.

Sixkill · 10/15/08, 2:20 PM

Originally Posted by Macloud

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: Patch 3.0 BM Shot Macro Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post
Credit goes to Falathiel for posting this in another thread. Making sure this gets seen as the other one was pretty far back. Here it is.

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Claw
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Rabid
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1

I've seen that having your pet's focus dump ability in there helps make sure it gets cast. The SFX commands are in there so the "failure" sounds don't drive me up a wall.

Please note, this is for level 70 raiding.

***EDIT***

Assuming you have 3/3 Longevity to max the DPS of your pet + refresh its special each time it's up, AND put Bestial Wrath at a 1 min CD, use the following macro to set off KC + TBW for max DPS every 1 min.

/use Bestial Wrath
/use Kill Command
/use (X trinket)

I think I posted in your Blizz thread as well but since I'm stuck at work--can anyone else confirm Claw is not auto-casting properly and needs to be in the macro as well as rabid. On beta, I thought for sure it was. (but in truth didnt dwell on it)

If so then thats yet another ability that needs to be on the pet bar to make sure it's not auto-casting. (or would that matter?)

• frmorrison · 10/15/08, 2:53 PM

Regarding learning pet abilities in 3.0, how does this work for new ranks now?

Pre-3.0 you had to tame a pet and use it until you "learned" the new rank.

Dirty · 10/15/08, 2:55 PM

What's the story on drums of battle? I used to have them macro'd with my berserker's call/TBW, but they don't seem to be activating anymore, is there a reason for this? Or have I just been unlucky with my gcd's?

Ruind · 10/15/08, 2:55 PM

Originally Posted by frmorrison

Regarding learning pet abilities in 3.0, how does this work for new ranks now?

Pre-3.0 you had to tame a pet and use it until you "learned" the new rank.

Pets "auto learn" new ranks when they are the appropriate level

Dirty · 10/15/08, 2:58 PM

Originally Posted by frmorrison

Regarding learning pet abilities in 3.0, how does this work for new ranks now?

Pre-3.0 you had to tame a pet and use it until you "learned" the new rank.

Every pet family has one focus dump (bite or claw) and one unique ability (like rake for cats), no need to learn anything anymore. Things like sprint/dive are learned through pet talents.

DanluvsKelly · 10/15/08, 3:00 PM

How are you guys getting TBW down to 1min? My tooltip says 1.4min... am I doing something wrong here?

UnLeashed · 10/15/08, 3:02 PM

Originally Posted by DanluvsKelly

How are you guys getting TBW down to 1min? My tooltip says 1.4min... am I doing something wrong here?

1 minute with 3/3 longevity and glyph of bestial wrath only available with WotLK herbs.

Dirgess · 10/15/08, 3:03 PM

My friend and I were discussing the AotB vs AotH topic earlier and having kept up with this thread since the OP, I've not seen (or may have slipped by) any theory crafting from the mathematicians on these aspects of... these aspects.
While it probably won't be till after WotLK where the gains from AotB would net greater damage than AotH to justify using it full time...
We were wondering if it would be a great enough gain to swap to it while under BW/trinket combos.

Also, adding in a scorpid, would it be better to start out in AotB to boost the initial scorpid poison stack?

Edit: Never mind about that second part... you would be popping your boosts anyway at the start for it, so question #1 would answer #2.

UnLeashed · 10/15/08, 3:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dirgess

My friend and I were discussing the AotB vs AotH topic earlier and having kept up with this thread since the OP, I've not seen (or may have slipped by) any theory crafting from the mathematicians on these aspects of... these aspects.
While it probably won't be till after WotLK where the gains from AotB would net greater damage than AotH to justify using it full time...
We were wondering if it would be a great enough gain to swap to it while under BW/trinket combos.

Also, adding in a scorpid, would it be better to start out in AotB to boost the initial scorpid poison stack?

Edit: Never mind about that second part... you would be popping your boosts anyway at the start for it, so question #1 would answer #2.

Not sure where or I'd quote it, but the math about your question was shown somewhere in this thread. It showed that AotB would in fact beat out AotH, although it was at some extreme attack power, that is more than likely unattainable(sp?).

Female Tauren · 10/15/08, 3:07 PM

Now that we don't need as much hit rating as before, I'm curious to see what everyone's replacing their hit gems with. For single socket items like shivering felspine and T6 boots, would a 10 ap/5 crit gem combined with the socket bonus and TSA beat a plain 10 agi gem?

Aerynlore · 10/15/08, 3:12 PM

Originally Posted by UnLeashed

Not sure where or I'd quote it, but the math about your question was shown somewhere in this thread. It showed that AotB would in fact beat out AotH, although it was at some extreme attack power, that is more than likely unattainable(sp?).

Originally Posted by Aerynlore

[snip]So, that means using AotB is best when:
X + (.22 * X) * 1.10 > 475.8 + X + .22 * X
Where X is the Hunter's AP. That gives me a value of 21,483.

That's a rough estimate, but tweaks to the formula are probably going to be a +- 1000 AP at most, so 20k AP would be a conservative estimate for when AotB surpasses AotH.

Kraven · 10/15/08, 3:12 PM

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mako · 10/15/08, 3:15 PM

Originally Posted by Female Tauren

Now that we don't need as much hit rating as before, I'm curious to see what everyone's replacing their hit gems with. For single socket items like shivering felspine and T6 boots, would a 10 ap/5 crit gem combined with the socket bonus and TSA beat a plain 10 agi gem?

Where are you getting the idea that we need less hit than before? Iirc we still need 9% hit vs ?? mobs.

Focused Aim is not feasible to pick up in a non-MM level 70 spec, and if you're hit capped through gear already, it makes more sense to flip talent points into a more beneficial talent than try to redo gear. The only instances I'd consider swapping gems is on red sockets with orange gems, or for pieces of gear where you have no intention of matching all sockets, but you should be using 10 agi's for that instance anyway.

Edit: Kraven, don't use a macro. It might solve your issues, especially if you're using castsequence.

Macloud · 10/15/08, 3:18 PM

Originally Posted by Sixkill

I think I posted in your Blizz thread as well but since I'm stuck at work--can anyone else confirm Claw is not auto-casting properly and needs to be in the macro as well as rabid. On beta, I thought for sure it was. (but in truth didnt dwell on it)

If so then thats yet another ability that needs to be on the pet bar to make sure it's not auto-casting. (or would that matter?)

I removed claw from the macro as it was indeed casting. So I was incorrect in thinking it wasnt. Had to watch my combat text closely to see my error.

Sixkill · 10/15/08, 3:20 PM

TY--that's very good to hear. Cant wait for SWP tonight!

mochunk · 10/15/08, 3:23 PM

I wonder if the auto shot casting is dependent on client side latency. Last night when running a test on live, I was literally watching auto shot break it's cast time randomly while doing nothing else. Standing still and being delayed as much as almost 1 full second, while other times it would fire 10 in a row with no break. This was easily noted with Sorrens up and showing the shots.

Has anyone else noted this?

Trickytrout · 10/15/08, 3:24 PM

As i understood it, its like "2/3 makes the 3rd tick being skipped" -> DPS loss
3/3 does that too - but like 1 sec earlier, so next Rake comes earlier -> DPS gain

Is 3/3 Longevity really an increase in DPS over 3/3 Cobra Strikes? I was finding that my pet had plenty of focus even with 1/2 GftT, so having more CS procs should mean that when procced, every charge can be used with no focus starvation. The question is, is more CS procs > extra rake tick?

Terp · 10/15/08, 3:25 PM

Originally Posted by Dirgess

Also, adding in a scorpid, would it be better to start out in AotB to boost the initial scorpid poison stack?

Edit: Never mind about that second part... you would be popping your boosts anyway at the start for it, so question #1 would answer #2.

As far as I can tell, scorpid doesn't roll at all. The AP boosts are significant, but they are calculated in real time.

Dirgess · 10/15/08, 3:26 PM

Originally Posted by Aerynlore

That's a rough estimate, but tweaks to the formula are probably going to be a +- 1000 AP at most, so 20k AP would be a conservative estimate for when AotB surpasses AotH.

Right, my understanding of your quoted post was that the math done was to determine when to use AotB over AotH over a whole fight. I imagine that the damage boost to your pet via BW sways the math much more than that when swapping only under BW.

Basically, is BW+trinket+KC+AotB >=< BW+Trinket+KC+AotV?

TrevvyTrev · 10/15/08, 3:29 PM

Originally Posted by UnLeashed

1 minute with 3/3 longevity and glyph of bestial wrath only available with WotLK herbs.

It's actually 1.17 minutes, or 70 seconds, with those things.

Kiera · 10/15/08, 3:29 PM

Originally Posted by Aern

Let me save you alot of time and disappointment, devilsaurs preform no better than a cat. . . *snip*

Whoops, someone beat to posting the upcoming hunter changes

Svifwin · 10/15/08, 3:29 PM

Iv been trying to make a macro just for steady shot and chimera shot but i cannot seem to get /castrandom to work with chimera shot at all, it just keeps firing the steadys instead.

Any suggestions? =/