WotLK Talents & Abilities Discussion - Page 275

Mattaos · 10/14/08, 4:28 PM

Originally Posted by Lhivera

Regarding Mortal Shots:

Did it ultimately wind up affecting Explosive Shot, or no?

Beta testers have reported that it is in fact affecting ES now.

bowezed · 10/14/08, 4:34 PM

currently SV spec:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...00000000000000

Any suggestions/improvements?

Shandara · 10/14/08, 4:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dalinoth

Has anyone noticed tha the patch notes are reporting that steady shot's cast time has been upped to 2.0 from 1.5? Are the devs doing this to make haste a more viable stat for our gear post-70? How wiill this affect shot rotations now with just the patch in effect?

This has been one of the prime changes to our mechanics ever since the alpha I believe. You can find a lot of discussion on this topic earlier in this thread.

Fya · 10/14/08, 4:35 PM

Is there a useful survival spec out there for hunters at 70?

I know BM does the most DPS but I would like to know if there is a feasible Survival spec or if you can point me to the page number if there is one in this thread I would appreciate it thanks

Foxxe · 10/14/08, 4:36 PM

I've been looking at alot of different BM spec from different people, and most of them seem to be skipping "Animal Handler". Shouldn't "Animal Handler" be something you should have since you pet tends to miss alot. Here is the lvl 70 BM spec I would like to try, thoughts?

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Lhivera · 10/14/08, 4:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mattaos

Beta testers have reported that it is in fact affecting ES now.

Thanks. So, if I'm not mistaken, as a fairly casual PvE Survival Hunter:

- My damage is going to come from Autoshot, Explosive Shot, Serpent Sting, and my pet.
- Mortal Shots will only affect Explosive Shot; its 5-point cost is probably not worth it?
- Improved Tracking will only affect Autoshot; its 5-point cost is probably not worth it? (Except what else ya gonna take.)
- L&L is probably worthwhile
- Noxious Stings is probably worthwhile
- Sniper Training is probably not worthwhile, due to totem range and infrequency of Kill Shot usage
- Hunting Party probably only needs 2-3 points to keep it up full time (but see below)
- Hunter v Wild and Careful Aim are both worthwhile

Is that more or less on-target?

* Hunting Party -- The one advantage I can see to proccing more often than the duration is that if at, say, 0 seconds, members 1-10 receive the buff, and five seconds later when it procs again, members 12-14 are now at lower mana than several members in 1-10, they could pick up the refresh while the old buff continues ticking on the members who got the first proc. I guess the question is whether there are enough mana users and few enough replenishment providers to make that useful.

Aerynlore · 10/14/08, 4:44 PM

Originally Posted by Foxxe

I've been looking at alot of different BM spec from different people, and most of them seem to be skipping "Animal Handler". Shouldn't "Animal Handler" be something you should have since you pet tends to miss alot. Here is the lvl 70 BM spec I would like to try, thoughts?

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

If you'd read any of the last 10 pages, you'd see that Hunter Hit Rating now transfers to our Pet. Animal Handler is mostly worthless, now.

Mattaos · 10/14/08, 4:45 PM

Originally Posted by dcwarlord

mattaos, LOl thanks for the schoolin.... I have been playing with different specs but that was a clear explaination.
As for level 80. As a Pve raid hunter where are you sticking your final 10 points?

Feel free to school this one: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

I want to be careful speaking to much about level 80 personally. I was not blessed with a beta key and most all my information comes from what I have read on the beta forums. I am thinking, in light of the recent Readiness fix, of a L.80 build like this... Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

I basically just expanded my talent choices in the MM tree. Filled out 5/5 Mortal Shots, even though I would prefer Imp Tracking, but in order to get down to Readiness I have to dump all my points into MM. With that being the case, Mortal Shots will provide the best DPS in the upper MM tiers.

I maxed 3/3 Focused Aim, since hit is something that does not seem to be scaling well from L.70 to L.80 and hit is a must for max DPS. Plus the push back reduction will come in handy I am sure.

I maxed 2/2 GFTT, since crit is also something that seems to lacking some in early L.80 raiding. Assuming I retain a majority of my T6 gear for early raiding (this seems to be the cases per the beta forums), my crit will not be nearly as effective as it now. The 50 focus gen should produce keep my pet with available focus at even a much less crit rate.

I maxed 2/2 Rapid Killing for the reduction in Rapid Fire CD.

And finally, I grabbed Readiness. This is an excellent DPS talent for BM. With 2/3 Longevity and BW Glyph I will have (I believe) a CD of 80 sec. on BW. Now I have back-to-back BW procs and Rapid Fire procs to work with and much greater DPS gain than an exotic pet can provide (or 4 extra pet talent points) imo.

A L.80 beta tester could possibly shed some light on this question though to clarify or expound upon.

Mr00000 · 10/14/08, 4:45 PM

Originally Posted by Foxxe

I've been looking at alot of different BM spec from different people, and most of them seem to be skipping "Animal Handler". Shouldn't "Animal Handler" be something you should have since you pet tends to miss alot. Here is the lvl 70 BM spec I would like to try, thoughts?

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Its been mentioned numerous times throughout this topic that pets are now getting their master's hit rating. Now, most of us will be putting those points into an improved talent that used to be a noob-check (Spirit Bond).

Kinv · 10/14/08, 4:47 PM

I really wish Blizzard would just make Steady Shot an "On next attack" ability, would solve alot of problems really easily, GCD is less of a problem, Steady would scale w/ haste, and our mobile DPS in arenas would be increased. They just need to make it scale w/ weapon dmg, and then make the mana cost scale w/ weapon speed(like shiv).

Mattaos · 10/14/08, 4:57 PM

Originally Posted by Kinv

I really wish Blizzard would just make Steady Shot an "On next attack" ability, would solve alot of problems really easily, GCD is less of a problem, Steady would scale w/ haste, and our mobile DPS in arenas would be increased. They just need to make it scale w/ weapon dmg, and then make the mana cost scale w/ weapon speed(like shiv).

This would be an excellent change to have, but the problem is in balancing our DPS. A change like this would cause our DPS to sky rocket by simply stacking haste, which (if you have seen) is in an abundance on our T7 gear. Of course, this coming from a PvE PoV and a change like this to SS would definitely benefit hunters in arenas for on-the-move DPS and faster mana regen from AotV.

Dalinoth · 10/14/08, 5:03 PM

Can some of the beta or ptr testers please list some of the macros they are using now that 3.0 is live? Im particularly interested in BM macros. Thanks in advance.

Mattaos · 10/14/08, 5:07 PM

Originally Posted by Dalinoth

Can some of the beta or ptr testers please list some of the macros they are using now that 3.0 is live? Im particularly interested in BM macros. Thanks in advance.

Read about a dozen posts up... http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t28573-h...65/#post936020

Macros are basically the same as TBC, except for the infamous "spam macro."

suyo · 10/14/08, 5:36 PM

On the live server right now patch 3.0.2 what is the highest dps spec for a hunter and what is the best pet / pets talents?

Shalafein · 10/14/08, 5:37 PM

Maybe I am wrong and please feel free to correct me if I am. But until Wotlk comes out, Putting 3 pts into longevity before you are raiding seems pointless. Granted in the end game boss fights it will definitely be points well spent. But since 70-80 is mostly grinding short fight wouldnt the points be better spent elsewhere?