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Old 02/12/09, 2:51 PM   #1621
jmlsteele
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Terokkar
Originally Posted by Seoman View Post
To put numbers to it, 2/2 IMP saves 20% of 9% base mana each time MP is cast, which is 1.8% of base mana. I have 14355 mana right now, so without IMP, MP costs me 1292, with it it costs me 1034.
Base mana is the mana you would have before any gear or buffs. There is no way you have 14K base mana.

As a level 80 Dwarf I have 6101 base mana and yet Rank 10 Mend Pet only costs 454 mana (9% of 6101 is 549, so no idea where the extra mana went to, as I have 0/2 IMP).

That means that each point in IMP will save me 45.4 mana. 2 points for 90mana/cast which is a ridiculous waste of 2 points.

So basically your point is right (not really that useful) but your math was wrong, making it even LESS useful than you stated.

Just keeping you honest

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Old 02/12/09, 4:16 PM   #1622
Seoman
Von Kaiser
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Kirin Tor
Originally Posted by jmlsteele View Post
Base mana is the mana you would have before any gear or buffs. There is no way you have 14K base mana.

As a level 80 Dwarf I have 6101 base mana and yet Rank 10 Mend Pet only costs 454 mana (9% of 6101 is 549, so no idea where the extra mana went to, as I have 0/2 IMP).

That means that each point in IMP will save me 45.4 mana. 2 points for 90mana/cast which is a ridiculous waste of 2 points.

So basically your point is right (not really that useful) but your math was wrong, making it even LESS useful than you stated.

Just keeping you honest
Yeah, thank you. I wasn't properly distinguishing between base mana and buffed to the hilt mana. Still comes out the IMP is wasteful.

The BM tree comes up looking a little soft in the proverbial midsection.

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Old 02/12/09, 5:13 PM   #1623
Argg0
Von Kaiser
 
Troll Hunter
 
Warsong
I wanted to check how would a Wolf fare in a raid without BoM and BShout... but it hasn't been implemented apparently.

I tried leaving wolf with just Furious Howl to see how much my and his dps would increase.

His DPS lowered (since less bite were used) and mine was unchanged. Shouldn't mine increase a bit at least?

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Old 02/12/09, 5:22 PM   #1624
Shandara
Great Tiger
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Argg0 View Post
I wanted to check how would a Wolf fare in a raid without BoM and BShout... but it hasn't been implemented apparently.

I tried leaving wolf with just Furious Howl to see how much my and his dps would increase.

His DPS lowered (since less bite were used) and mine was unchanged. Shouldn't mine increase a bit at least?
I have been able to reproduce this, but using a Wolf and clearing all buffs properly makes dps increase when I use Furious Howl. One bug I did find though was that it doesn't purely check whether BoM or BShout are present. The toggle is any +AP buff (which includes food).

This is obviously not how it works in-game (it should stack with food and such). Will be fixed next release.


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Old 02/13/09, 1:58 AM   #1625
alienangel
Bald Bull
 
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Draenei Hunter
 
Eredar
Would it be possible to sort the gems list by rank, like the gear lists are sorted in the drop downs? It doesn't sound like this would be too hard since they're just items with stats like the gear.

Socket color of course wouldn't need to be taken into account by the sorting, just the highest standalone gems would be on top, and we could try the various ones in each socket manually to see what works out best.

Would make finding the gem you're looking for a lot easier too, since you'd generally be looking at only the top 5-6 choices on the list, instead scrolling through an alphabetical list of dozens of gems you don't care about just to look at the highest available rank of delicate, shifting, glinting, rigid, smooth, vivid or jagged.

Apologies if this is already possible and I've just been missing it.

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Old 02/13/09, 2:19 AM   #1626
onlydank
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Onyxia
here's the errors im getting

http://i40.tinypic.com/2m2e4r5.png then i get this...

http://i42.tinypic.com/k2dd11.png then when i hit no i get...(when i hit yes it just keeps going)

http://i43.tinypic.com/3127a74.png

when i go to the options under tools, i cant find anything about enabling macros or enabling developer mode. im using version 9.0.

i downloaded the excel viewer from the microsoft site, and it worked fine with that but i couldnt edit the values of course.

sorry if this has happened before, but i couldnt find anything about it in the thread, and i searched google a lot too.

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Old 02/13/09, 2:55 AM   #1627
Iru
Don Flamenco
 
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Draenei Hunter
 
Muradin
Microsoft Works is not the same as Excel - no macro support, no real VB capabilites. You're going to have to upgrade if you want to use the spreadsheet.

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Old 02/13/09, 3:17 AM   #1628
onlydank
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Onyxia
Originally Posted by Iru View Post
Microsoft Works is not the same as Excel - no macro support, no real VB capabilites. You're going to have to upgrade if you want to use the spreadsheet.
ah ok, thanks. what a pain in the butt, since i saw what it looked like and how helpful it looked, im definitely going to have to do this now.

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Old 02/13/09, 6:02 AM   #1629
sevla
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Bloodhoof (EU)
Originally Posted by Seoman View Post
Yeah, thank you. I wasn't properly distinguishing between base mana and buffed to the hilt mana. Still comes out the IMP is wasteful.

The BM tree comes up looking a little soft in the proverbial midsection.
It always has been

Going back to your discussion, filling out all DPS and required talents on the lower part of the BM tree you will get to this specc: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

You now need to put 3 more points to get to the next tier. From all talents available, 2/2 BD is still the best available, because no matter how the Spreadsheet tells you that 1/2 BD and 1/2 GftT is enough to keep your pet full Focus, as Faerdael pointed out the GftT focus regeneration is averaged.
On real fights, you will have crit streaks (wasting focus) and critless streaks (starving pet) but on average it seems like your pet have full focus. Also when you need to move, you stop shooting, breaking your crit "sequence".
On both situations above, BD regeneration will be ticking anyway helping filling up the gaps.

On conclusion, the debate if it's a DPS increase to take 0 or 1 point in BD instead of 2 is a moot one, because there is really nowhere to put them when you want to get to Tier 6 of the BM tree, so it's not really a choice.
The debate if you should go 1/2 or 2/2 is a valid one, since you can use that point to put on a DPS increase talent, unlike BD points.

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Old 02/13/09, 5:03 PM   #1630
Whitefyst
Great Tiger
 
Orc Hunter
 
Draenor
A couple of small oversights that I have noticed while entering my PvP gear:

1) Inscription of Triumph correctly has the 40 AP but does not list the 15 resilience.

2) Titan-forged Sabatons of Triumph is missing the yellow socket and the socket bonus.

Found these when my resilience total in the spreadsheet did not match that on my character in game.

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Old 02/14/09, 3:05 AM   #1631
Kharthus
Piston Honda
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Deathwing
Shandara,

Small mistake on the Pawn String for Dwarfs and Trolls. The semicolon before IsGun or IsBow should be a comma.

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Old 02/16/09, 4:42 AM   #1632
Kom
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Thaurissan
Originally Posted by Ravenfire View Post
Originally Posted by Kom View Post
- The darkmoon card greatness procs aren't being scaled with LR and Kings I noticed, is this confirmed by anyone yet?
DC:G procs also don't scale with Combat Experience.
I find your reply to this highly misleading. Now that I actually have the card, I can confirm the proc does scale with kings and if it scales with kings I don't see a reason why it wouldn't scale with LR and CE, although I haven't tested those two so I'm not going to make unfounded claims.

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Old 02/16/09, 4:55 AM   #1633
Sylvand
Piston Honda
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Spirestone
Originally Posted by Kom View Post
I find your reply to this highly misleading. Now that I actually have the card, I can confirm the proc does scale with kings and if it scales with kings I don't see a reason why it wouldn't scale with LR and CE, although I haven't tested those two so I'm not going to make unfounded claims.
Confirmed, at least in 3.0.9 DC:G agility proc does scale with lightning reflex (i.e. +345 instead of +300 unbuffed).

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Old 02/17/09, 5:44 AM   #1634
dangerbird
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Lightbringer
/erase

Last edited by dangerbird : 02/17/09 at 5:55 AM.

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Old 02/17/09, 6:46 AM   #1635
Ikuzo
Glass Joe
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Moonrunner
While trying to find the highest (single target) DPS Tenacity pet, I came across an oversight with the Boar's pet ability, Gore.

The tooltip describes the ability as doing double damage if used within 6 seconds of a Charge, however speccing in or out of Charge on the doesn't affect the damage calculated on the spreadsheet. Neither is there any way to add Charge to the pet's priority list.

So is the bonus damage from Charge automatically calculated with Gore, or is it ignored?

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