Before we go parsing through these logs to figure out what you're doing differently, have you compared the buffs and debuffs? These are huge factors. I have gotten 4900DPS on a guild 25 man patch kill, then gone into a pug wintergrasp and gotten 3200.

I know they are in much higher ranked guilds, but will cutting the fight by 70 sec drop DPS that much?

I'm just trying to understand why because I feel like I'm leaving something on the table.

As far as comparing the buffs, No. My guild runs with the same standard buffs that most good guilds use. It could be a factor, but not 800 DPS worth.

Actually, yes it will. DPS is "damage per second", or, "total damage" / "length of time". To increase the value, either cause more damage in the same amount of time, cause the same amount of damage in less time, or cause more damage in less time.

Looking at just the first random hunter parse you picked, the total kill took 1m50s. He participated for 1m48s (108s), and caused 600,246 damage. At 1m48s, that gives him 5557.83 DPS. However, lets assume it took him 2 seconds longer (matching the length of combat time). Those two seconds would drop his DPS to 5456.78, over 100 DPS loss for just two seconds.


Your apparent "value" in a raid very much depends on the performance of everyone else in the raid. You could be awesome, but if the raid as a whole sucks, then your awesomeness would be hindered by the raid's lackluster performance.

Hi, one silly question, I just download the Spread sheet, but I can't use any option as CalcAttributes or Import from File. Because it keep saying the file is read-only(using Excel 2007), it's protected, and when I try to unprotect it it needs a password. Anything I can do about it? Thanks!

No one who think the thing i wrote is a true miss in the spreadsheet or is it intended?

http://elitistjerks.com/1123597-post1707.html

This is a bug with the spreadsheet. Although the averaged out priority system takes Rapid Fire off the GCD the rotation test is still putting it on the GCD. I'll have this fixed next version.

Ok, I generally don't like people that nitpick too much, but if we discount Bloodlust and other temporary boosts that are affected by time spent (like trinkets and Rapid Fire, but both of those can at certain time marks return a considerable amount of DPS), then what you say shouldn't be true.
Since our nice friendly Hunter would not have any factors that causes him to hit for less or less often. His DPS should be steady, regardless of the fight lasts 1 minute or 6 minutes. It is Bloodlust alone that affects the decrease in DPS in slow vs fast kills assuming the same Hunter. No Bloodlust and his results should show much the same DPS, but with a vastly increased damageoutput in the slow fight (more time = more damage from the same Hunter).

If we were to take the example of the 100 DPS loss from 2 seconds, that would require the Hunter to recall his pet and stop shooting altogether for those seconds. That isn't too likely is it?

I do not see any multi or aimed shots in your rotation. That's at least a 5% dps loss. What were you doing instead? badly scaled Steady Shots or clipping Explosive shots with another Explosive Shot? Hopefully you MD pulled with the Arcane Shot also otherwise that is a bit left field.

This is not the thread to talk about your dps and the conversation topic should be kept on topic (Shandaras Spreadsheet). If you think the spreadsheet is incorrect make a suggestion as to what you think is wrong. Personally i dont see any problems with it and i regularly get very close to my theoretical dps outcome. Feel free to armory me too if you like.

But just adding 2 seconds without adding the damage in those two seconds is?

His point is sound Kraxis. Logic will tell each of us that the more time spent outside of Heroism (and to a lesser extent procs such as trinket/lnl/rapidfire/callofthewild) the less dps we have. Look at the WMO Realtime Raid DPS graph as an example.

Talking about heroism/lust, I got a small "bug" in the spreadsheet.
Currently, the cooldown of heroism is set to the following:
With the upcoming patch, the cooldown of heroism will be 300 seconds, that's true.
But you gain the debuff "exhausted" for 600 seconds (10 minutes) and therefor can't enjoy the effect of a second heroism within this time. At least if you don't die