WotLK DPS spreadsheet - Page 120

Jerem · 03/03/09, 6:07 AM

It might be interesting to note that on PTR, the damage range of the Darkmoon Card: Death has been increased.
It actually should now be slightly higher than the Bandit's Insignia's procs, possibly taking the Card a few ranks higher.
Live: [Darkmoon Card: Death]
PTR: [Darkmoon Card: Death]

Shandara · 03/03/09, 6:08 AM

Originally Posted by baklava

Shandara, Why does Resourcefulness increase the dps? We assume we use traps or it is about something else?

If you are testing SV it is because Resourcefulness affects Black Arrow's CD.

Sirael · 03/03/09, 6:55 AM

Originally Posted by Jerem

It might be interesting to note that on PTR, the damage range of the Darkmoon Card: Death has been increased.
It actually should now be slightly higher than the Bandit's Insignia's procs, possibly taking the Card a few ranks higher.
Live: [Darkmoon Card: Death]
PTR: [Darkmoon Card: Death]

i just put this stats in version 85e and the card climbed from rank 8 to rank 5 with a survival spec.
it's still a bit worse than bandit's insignia, but better as Loatheb's Shadow

what i've noticed is that the [Darkmoon Card: Death] is considered a 15% proc chance in the spreadsheet whereas wowhead says that it's a 35% proc chance

Nooska · 03/03/09, 11:01 AM

This morning very early before I could fall asleep I started thinking.

Shandara, how hard would it be to incorporate a dps variable in the sheet?

I'll explain further;

We have seen a lot of "Why don't I reach the dps the spreadsheet shows" questions, and the answer in most cases is RNG. On a typical bossfight we shoot very few shots compared to whats needed for rng to even remotely even out.
I was specifically thinking of the swing in crit that we saw in the "Focused aim reducing crit" threads data sets - and without having looked if 'we' found a reliable variance to compensate for this, would it be possible to make a single section in the overview tab that calculates the dps swing based on the RNG variance expected for the number of shots fired (which is determined by shot rotation, haste and length of fight - all three are in the sheet).

I know I rarely achieve my spreadsheet dps - I know that latency can be a big issue, especially when its variable during the fight - but I also think it has a lot to do with RNG fluctuation over a 4 minute fight compared to the averaging of crit we get in the spreadsheet.

Bokomatic · 03/03/09, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Nooska

Shandara, how hard would it be to incorporate a dps variable in the sheet?

I know formula

Number of crits possible from n shots has binomial distibution

Afaik, all these elementary functions have realization in the excel.

Argg0 · 03/03/09, 11:38 AM

We can't put Thunderstomp for Tenacity pets on its rotation.

Shandara · 03/03/09, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Argg0

We can't put Thunderstomp for Tenacity pets on its rotation.

This is a small bug in the sheet. A work around for now is switch pet families after you set the talent for Thunderstomp, it'll be in the list then.

grim4o4 · 03/03/09, 2:36 PM

Originally Posted by Sirael

what i've noticed is that the [Darkmoon Card: Death] is considered a 15% proc chance in the spreadsheet whereas wowhead says that it's a 35% proc chance

It is listed at as a 35% proc chance on wowhead, but it also has an internal cooldown like every proc trinket, of 45s, so that will lower it's actual ppm, which may be what the 15% is in reference in the spread sheet. Also, the ptr version is here. Damage went up from 744 to 956 to 1750 to 2250 per proc.

Thelastdeadmouse · 03/03/09, 2:46 PM

Originally Posted by grim4o4

It is listed at as a 35% proc chance on wowhead, but it also has an internal cooldown like every proc trinket, of 45s, so that will lower it's actual ppm, which may be what the 15% is in reference in the spread sheet. Also, the ptr version is here. Damage went up from 744 to 956 to 1750 to 2250 per proc.

A blue post has implied this might be a bug.

I noticed that on the PTR Darkmoon Card: Death had its proc damage increased from 744-956 to 1750-2250 while still having 85 crit as a 200 level item. Will the extract of necromantic power also be getting a buff as it currently has 95 crit and procs for 788-1312 damage as a level 213 item?

Thanks for the report, we'll look into this.

It seems pretty likely that this is either a bug or is going to be adjusted.

Gada · 03/03/09, 4:17 PM

Explosive Shot damage reduced, rank 4 now deals [ 14% of RAP + 386 ] - [ 14% of RAP + 464 ] fire damage. (down from [ 16% of RAP + 428 ] - [ 16% of RAP + 516 ])

is it whats currently on live ? Quote is from latest ptr notes.

Shandara · 03/03/09, 4:26 PM

Small update:

- Darkmoon Card: Death updated to PTR stats and correct proc chance (35% per wowhead)
- Thunderstomp now added to pet ability list once you select the talent
- Gorilla's Pummel now 30 second cooldown (up from 10 second)
- Explosive Shot damage adjusted to latest PTR (9637)

BM and SV are really close now (at least if I use my Beast-Tamer's shoulders as BM). No doubt the difference is different when properly gemmed/geared for each spec (and with proper specs in any case since I haven't tried many out yet).

Esoth · 03/03/09, 4:41 PM

Originally Posted by Gada

is it whats currently on live ? Quote is from latest ptr notes.

The coefficient is the same, but it looks like the base damage got lowered.

Edit: Shandara, are you using BiS gear? I'm seeing a gap of about 200 DPS between Survival and Marksmanship and another 200 DPS gap between Marks and BM.

kurukulla · 03/03/09, 5:51 PM

The last two PTR spreadsheets have only given me the option of using wolf abilities in the pet tab regardless of what pet I select.

Needless to say, this makes comparing the overall dps impact of various pets difficult.

Sean · 03/03/09, 5:54 PM

A Wild Hunt change just went through on PTR - but it's not the change they announced. It no longer gives +40% scaling in the really overpowered manner it did, but is still 20/40% on its Ranks and is giving it in the manner that GC said they intended to (IE Pet gets 1000 from you base, it'll get +1400 from you now). Hopefully it stays this way, as 10/20% was really too much of a gut of the ability.

Neruse · 03/03/09, 6:05 PM

Aye, with my current gear I'm seeing BM about 300 dps lower than MM, which is then about 200 dps lower than SV.

Also, wolves appear to be only 25 net dps less than devilsaurs. Considering the devilsaur hitbox issues are still there, this seems to be a no brainer.