WotLK DPS spreadsheet - Page 121

Shandara · 03/03/09, 6:18 PM

Originally Posted by kurukulla

The last two PTR spreadsheets have only given me the option of using wolf abilities in the pet tab regardless of what pet I select.

Needless to say, this makes comparing the overall dps impact of various pets difficult.

When you switch pet types it should automatically update the list. Sounds like either the macro broke for you or it's not executing properly.

EDIT:
Just managed to get on the PTR. I've managed to verify the following things:
* Explosive Shot scaling and new base damage (Patch notes are correct)
* Wild Hunt being 20%/40% of 22% base scaling increase
* Furious Howl now works on the hunter as well

EDIT#2:
Re-uploaded V85f before I go to bed with the corrections mentioned above.

Neruse · 03/03/09, 8:31 PM

I'm noticing huge dps loses on v85f from v85e. I'm still checking, but I notice so far that:

1) Noxious Stings adds 1-2 dps per point, not 1% per.
2) Is Mortal Shots working correctly? It gives far, far less dps than previous versions did.

I'll update this if/as I find more.

KraxisSingular · 03/03/09, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sean

A Wild Hunt change just went through on PTR - but it's not the change they announced. It no longer gives +40% scaling in the really overpowered manner it did, but is still 20/40% on its Ranks and is giving it in the manner that GC said they intended to (IE Pet gets 1000 from you base, it'll get +1400 from you now). Hopefully it stays this way, as 10/20% was really too much of a gut of the ability.

Agreed, with 40% the total gain is just 8.8% extra AP, which really isn't a lot, but it is enough to make a difference. And more importantly it is a scaling point with gear. This means BM will scale somewhat better with gear than before, no longer relying on raid buffsto carry the day.

It seems to have been a case of two teams 'fixing' Wild Hunt. One team nerfed the value, which would have been OP still, and the other team fixed the wrong scaling. GC was then presented with both and laid them out as he believed that was it. But somewhere along the way someone understood that it was in fact a dual-reduction that was unneccesary, and git it in with the fix rather than reduction.

[EDIT]
Maybe I'm bad at this, but it appears that Furious Howl doesn't do anything. When I have it on the DPS actually goes down. Meanwhile the pet calculation tab has an 'Effective Bonus' of 0.00, even with it on priority. Is it because it is being calculated in as a flat 158 AP to both pet and master? Thoguh I don't see anything in the pet Attack Power section on the Pet Calculation tab.

Also I see a drop in DPS whenever I put points in Rapid Killing over not using them at all. That can't be right. I know it might not be optimal, but still... Looking in my Shot Rotation I see that Rapid Fire has a cooldown of 300 seconds, so apparently Rapid Killing doesn't apply the CD reduction.

Savage Rend appears to still be based on crit.

And lastly, Expose Weakness doesn't appear to get included either. Gives no value. Maybe it has to do with the Calculation saying 'AP on mob'? Anyway the Calculation has it, but the result remains to be seen.

Shandara · 03/04/09, 4:43 AM

To everyone having problems, my apologies. Because it was late at night when I uploaded the last version I forgot to set some settings on the 'Settings' tab to their defaults. This is what causing the massive dps loss you see.

I've re-uploaded v85f for those who prefer downloading the correct version, otherwise you can correct it yourself. I've also added Midnight's 'Best in Slot' gear sets to it.

Stimpy · 03/04/09, 7:14 AM

Small Bug: When you select Spirit Beast as your pet the ability that it selects is prowl instead of spirit strike

Smee · 03/04/09, 9:15 AM

Another bug, seems the base damage of Black Arrow is listed as +785, but thats only rank 1. Rank 6 is +2765 at level 80, which should bring the damage up considerably.

Shandara · 03/04/09, 9:31 AM

Originally Posted by Smee

Another bug, seems the base damage of Black Arrow is listed as +785, but thats only rank 1. Rank 6 is +2765 at level 80, which should bring the damage up considerably.

This rank is not trainable yet on the PTR so I have been unable to verify anything about higher ranks.

KraxisSingular · 03/04/09, 11:52 AM

Wow... surprised at the results.

0/15/56 with Explosive Shot, Serpent Sting and Kill Shot glyphs appear to beat most other combinations. Especially the Kill Shot glyph surprises me. Well I have it on priority but still, it beats the Steady Shot glyph by around 30 DPS. That's a lot. And Serpent Sting beats Hawk, again slightly surprising.

Also, is it inteded that FF/CoR only adds 4% ArP when stacked with Sunder Armor, or is it a little mistake? I would have assumed they stacked additively as long as they don't lock each other out. So instead of 24% ArP we should have 25%... or not?

Shandara · 03/04/09, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by KraxisSingular

Wow... surprised at the results.

0/15/56 with Explosive Shot, Serpent Sting and Kill Shot glyphs appear to beat most other combinations. Especially the Kill Shot glyph surprises me. Well I have it on priority but still, it beats the Steady Shot glyph by around 30 DPS. That's a lot. And Serpent Sting beats Hawk, again slightly surprising.

Also, is it inteded that FF/CoR only adds 4% ArP when stacked with Sunder Armor, or is it a little mistake? I would have assumed they stacked additively as long as they don't lock each other out. So instead of 24% ArP we should have 25%... or not?

According to testing by Astrylian/Landsoul they are multiplicative, so 24%.

KraxisSingular · 03/04/09, 12:12 PM

Aw... no fun!

But anyone else seeing the extremely high value of Kill Shot glyph?

[EDIT] Forgot to add that a Wolf for me at least is 40 DPS ahead of the pack. And Raptors are no longer visibly better than the other pets. Might have to do with the loss of Focused Fire. So good news for Wolf-lovers like me.

Shandara · 03/04/09, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by KraxisSingular

Aw... no fun!

But anyone else seeing the extremely high value of Kill Shot glyph?

[EDIT] For to add that a Wolf for me at least is 40 DPS ahead of the pack. And Raptors are no longer visibly better than the other pets. Might have to do with the loss of Focused Fire. So good news for Wolf-lovers like me.

The big clincher with wolves is that they don't have the drawbacks Devilsaurs (hitboxes) and Raptors (kludgy timing) have so they are a clear winner with this patch.

KraxisSingular · 03/04/09, 12:37 PM

Yes, I already assumed they would be great, but it all hinged on the value of the Howl. Would it be enough, and apparently it is. The really good stuff is that it isn't so massively in front that no other pet is viable for MM/Surv. For Those specs there are now more options, and that's good.

Just too bad they lost 5% damagemodifier.

alienangel · 03/04/09, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by KraxisSingular

Wow... surprised at the results.

0/15/56 with Explosive Shot, Serpent Sting and Kill Shot glyphs appear to beat most other combinations. Especially the Kill Shot glyph surprises me. Well I have it on priority but still, it beats the Steady Shot glyph by around 30 DPS. That's a lot. And Serpent Sting beats Hawk, again slightly surprising.

Kinda a no brainer, but you're not comparing Hawk to SrS specced 0/15/56 are you? Glyph of Imp Hawk would do nothing in that spec since you don't have Imp Hawk.

Neruse · 03/04/09, 2:46 PM

I'm getting 6885 as 7/13/51, with KS/ExS/SS glyphs. Compared to 6817 as 0/15/56 with the same glyphs.

Wish I hadn't trashed my wolf way back in October, though.

Edit: Yes, that's 4/5 in MS. I'm also using my live gear, which isn't quite BiS.

Edit #2: Steady Shot glyph. It comes out to just barely more than serpent or hawk for me.

Edit #3 @ Esoth: Yeah, it's with 3/3 Resourcefulness and 0 in both HP and ST. HP is still the last place to put points.

Edit #4 @ KraxisSingular: I tried the 7/11/53, but it sims out 5 dps lower than 7/13/51. Gear probably is causing the variance, and I'd imagine an Ulduar geared hunter would have a slightly different spec than what we're coming up with.

Azra187 · 03/04/09, 4:15 PM

Shandara,

Could you make it an option to use Rank 6 of Black Arrow? I think SV numbers are more skewed using rank 1 than rank 6.