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07/18/09, 8:10 PM
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#3076
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Hunter
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
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Originally Posted by Cranch
The gem optimizer now does a better job than I have been able to do by hand; congratulations!
In beta6, the value of "Ranged Critical Hit Chance vs. Level 83" in the upper left of the Gear tab seems to have changed meaning, and dwarves no longer get a 46 racial crit bonus. Specifically, beta4 said 59.47% crit with 1023 rating and beta6 says 51.71% crit with 978 rating (exact same gear, gems, enchants, and buffs.) (1023-978 != 46 presumably due to rounding to nearest integer in the display.)
Darkmoon Card: Greatness is ilvl 200, not 226.
The Gear Planner is choosing Darkweb Bindings as the #1 choice for wrist at -271 dps. Pressing Sort has no effect. Seems like an off-by-one error.
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I haven't done it before, Cranch, but thanks for beta-testing these things for me!
Bug: Darkweb bindings are missing a formula on their tab, which means they are sorted top.
Bug: Gear Planner is taking iLevel for 2nd trinket slot from the values of the 1st slot.
Bug: I broke racial crit bonuses.
I'm glad it's down to 'trivial' bugs like these, by now. These will be fixed in the next version.
For those interested, the algorithm followed by the gem optimizer is as followed:
1. Clear all gems.
2. First it loops through the following:
- find the prismatic (or yellow, blue, red if others aren't available) socket that has the highest socket bonus when combined with a +hit gem, but doesn't have a gem in it yet.
- put in a full +hit gem or a mixed + hit gem
- repeat
After this loop you should be hit-capped.
3. Next check:
- find the prismatic (or blue, yellow, red) socket that has the best socket bonus combined with the blue gem defined to match meta requirements.
- put in the blue gem
After this loop your meta-gem should be active.
4. Last loop:
- check each empty socket if it would give more dps with a color matching gem than with a red gem
- put in a matching or red gem depending on the answer
- repeat until all sockets are filled
EDIT:
As for your remark about crit%. Are you using the same spec for both beta4 and beta6? I'm getting the same crit% in both versions, but your 59.47% is what your SV spec has (with same gear, buffs, etc..), while 52.xx% is what your MM spec has.
EDIT#2:
Re-uploaded version 6 fixing the things mentioned above. Last update for today (well it is tomorrow here already).
Last edited by Shandara : 07/18/09 at 8:20 PM.
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07/19/09, 12:20 AM
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#3077
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Glass Joe
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nvm
Last edited by Haggypants : 07/19/09 at 12:25 AM.
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07/19/09, 3:33 AM
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#3078
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Don Flamenco
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As for your remark about crit%. Are you using the same spec for both beta4 and beta6? I'm getting the same crit% in both versions, but your 59.47% is what your SV spec has (with same gear, buffs, etc..), while 52.xx% is what your MM spec has.
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Indeed that was the problem.
Interestingly enough, the Regemmer improves dps on my gems for MM, but actually gets about 2 dps lower for SV. To see this, load my gear, select SV build, set up shot rotation, then Regem. I'd argue that Regem should never lower your dps (it should just restore the original if it can't find an improvement.)
Last edited by Cranch : 07/19/09 at 4:12 AM.
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07/19/09, 11:19 AM
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#3079
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Shandara
- find the prismatic (or blue, yellow, red) socket that has the best socket bonus combined with the blue gem defined to match meta requirements.
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I've been running some tests in the gem optmizer and found that this part of the loop is actualy considering belt buckle as a prismatic socket that counts for bonus.
My setup in the spreadsheet is using the three color gem on this socket probably because it assumes its the best place to be to achiev the +12ap bonus in Belt of Dragons (which I believe its the best socket bonus in my current gear).
On the gear optmizer I'm getting a setup using 2x Dark Matter, but this is an unique trinket.
Sorting stats on my machine (Core2 Duo E6400, 4Gb Ram) are as follow:
Items checked: 373
Time taken: 44,98s
Per item: 121ms
Other than that I'm really looking forward for a final version of this changes. Great piece of work.
Edit:
I've rerun the gear optimizer and couldn't reproduce the 2x Dark Matter setup. I'll keep trying this until I can get this to report again.
Edit2:
Had that setup again when running the optmizer with only Dark Matter, Darkmoon Card: Greatness and Comet's Trail selected to be optmized (clicked select top3 from gear planner). When I add Mjolnir Stone (which is in my current gear setup), the optimizer selects Dark Matter and Mjolnir Stone for trinkets.
Last edited by Gotrage : 07/19/09 at 11:41 AM.
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07/19/09, 11:59 AM
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#3080
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Hunter
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
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Originally Posted by Gotrage
I've been running some tests in the gem optmizer and found that this part of the loop is actualy considering belt buckle as a prismatic socket that counts for bonus.
My setup in the spreadsheet is using the three color gem on this socket probably because it assumes its the best place to be to achiev the +12ap bonus in Belt of Dragons (which I believe its the best socket bonus in my current gear)
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Ah. This is an oversight of my side. It should of course not trigger the bonus AP from the belt.
EDIT:
Also found the problem for double trinkets. Typo into a formula, because I had added a check so it wouldn't double use unique trinkets.
Last edited by Shandara : 07/19/09 at 1:51 PM.
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07/19/09, 2:49 PM
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#3081
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Glass Joe
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There seems to be an issue with the dual wield vs 2h gear planner comparisons. When looking at the gear planner with my 1hs equipped(bootblade+malice) it gives journey's end a 79 higher delta. That looked unusual to me because the 1hs clearly have superior stats when comparing the two. I put the journey's end in the spreadsheet and it was a 19 dps loss compared to what I use now, despite the much higher delta in the gear planner.
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07/19/09, 6:20 PM
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#3082
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Hunter
Cenarion Circle
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Wrathstone
Seems like wrathstone dps is not calculated properly in the latest beta
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07/20/09, 6:41 AM
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#3083
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Von Kaiser
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The auto gemming thing doesn't seem to handle well prismatic sockets (Belt Buckle) and Socket bonuses.
It rather place a agi crit gem on a yellow socket and a pure hit on the belt than a hit on yellow and a pure agi on belt.
And when I press regem, even after doing that change, it reverts back to the lower dps one (by 3ish dps).
Also... I don't know if something was changed... but the "CalcAtributes" now takes much longer than before. It took me 1m45s to do it, when it used to be nearly instant.
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07/20/09, 8:17 AM
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#3084
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Hunter
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
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Originally Posted by Argg0
The auto gemming thing doesn't seem to handle well prismatic sockets (Belt Buckle) and Socket bonuses.
It rather place a agi crit gem on a yellow socket and a pure hit on the belt than a hit on yellow and a pure agi on belt.
And when I press regem, even after doing that change, it reverts back to the lower dps one (by 3ish dps).
Also... I don't know if something was changed... but the "CalcAtributes" now takes much longer than before. It took me 1m45s to do it, when it used to be nearly instant.
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There's a small bug with the "CalcAtrributes". This will be fixed in the next release.
Same for the prismatic socket issue. They were top priority for gemming +hit, but I've moved them down a little bit, because it doesn't make much sense.
It should now try to socket +hit in the following order:
Yellow sockets, either +16 hit or a mixed +hit gem
Blue socket
Prismatic sockets
Red sockets
So red sockets are the very last possible choice for socketing +hit, with prismatics just above them, which makes sense I hope.
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07/20/09, 8:33 AM
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#3085
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Don Lactose
Tauren Hunter
Talnivarr (EU)
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Originally Posted by Shandara
There's a small bug with the "CalcAtrributes". This will be fixed in the next release.
Same for the prismatic socket issue. They were top priority for gemming +hit, but I've moved them down a little bit, because it doesn't make much sense.
It should now try to socket +hit in the following order:
Yellow sockets, either +16 hit or a mixed +hit gem
Blue socket
Prismatic sockets
Red sockets
So red sockets are the very last possible choice for socketing +hit, with prismatics just above them, which makes sense I hope.
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Wouldn't it make more sense for prismatics to be above blue sockets, since you first loop through yellow, then blue, then red?
In your setup, it seems to me it could potentially suggest gemming a yellow in a blue socket, making your blue gem either take up another blue socket or a prismatic (losing a blue socket bonus from your yellow gem suggestion)?
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Look, Lactose, we'd rather you didn't eradicate the whole human race.
- Sam & Max
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07/20/09, 9:16 AM
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#3086
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Hunter
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
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Originally Posted by Lactose
Wouldn't it make more sense for prismatics to be above blue sockets, since you first loop through yellow, then blue, then red?
In your setup, it seems to me it could potentially suggest gemming a yellow in a blue socket, making your blue gem either take up another blue socket or a prismatic (losing a blue socket bonus from your yellow gem suggestion)?
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In this case I would have to restrict blue sockets to 'mixed' +hit gems only, then.
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07/20/09, 12:10 PM
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#3087
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Glass Joe
Draenei Hunter
Gorgonnash
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Couple things that sent the sheet into processing that lasted several (30+) seconds, that did not happen in past versions.
1) Deleting a profile.
2) Selecting 'No Racial' in the shot rotation.
Currently running Excel 2007 fully patched.
And just as a side note, is there any benefit to shipping the spreadsheet with sample profiles and specs in it? Just seems like unnecessary bloat to me, and could maybe even save you some money on bandwidth not having all of that stuff in there that (presumably) no one uses.
Last edited by Spamurai : 07/20/09 at 12:17 PM.
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07/20/09, 12:23 PM
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#3088
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Hunter
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
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Originally Posted by Spamurai
Couple things that sent the sheet into processing that lasted several (30+) seconds, that did not happen in past versions.
1) Deleting a profile.
2) Selecting 'No Racial' in the shot rotation.
Currently running Excel 2007 fully patched.
And just as a side note, is there any benefit to shipping the spreadsheet with sample profiles and specs in it? Just seems like unnecessary bloat to me, and could maybe even save you some money on bandwidth not having all of that stuff in there that (presumably) no one uses.
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Each full profile is roughly 15-20kb of data so it's really a minor amount compared to the full sheet (which floats around 2.2mb to 2.7mb, depending on how I save it).
Thanks for reporting what functions are slower now. I've moved some stuff around which disables specific calculations, which were being called 2 or 3 times in the same code path, but it now shows where these calls are missing.
Last edited by Shandara : 07/21/09 at 9:47 AM.
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07/21/09, 9:45 AM
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#3089
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Hunter
Sisters of Elune
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error 91
I keep getting "runtime error 91" when I try to read my talents from the armory.
"Runtime error 91 - Object variable or With Block variable not set"
Debugger points to this line in the scrapeTalents block
Set Nodelist = GetSingleDataXLS(URL, "//talentGroups").ChildNodes
This has happend with a couple of different versions.
Yes I can access the armory (when it's up)
The Gear tab can read from the armory no problem when i tried it today (Tuesday) I got the expected message of the Armory being down. However, the Talent tab gave me the runtime error
Last edited by bitterjack : 07/21/09 at 10:08 AM.
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07/21/09, 9:58 AM
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#3090
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Hunter
Aggramar
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Are you using the latest PTR version? The pre-PTR versions are unable to access the armory anymore because of the change blizzard made with showing pets and their talents.
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07/21/09, 10:07 AM
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#3091
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Hunter
Sisters of Elune
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I had the same problem with version 90a yesterday.
Is it the pet talents causing an issue?
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07/21/09, 10:36 AM
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#3092
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Hunter
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
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Blizzard added pet talents to the Armory which broke the talent import. Use the beta versions or wait for me to finish them up and release version 91.
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07/21/09, 12:27 PM
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#3093
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Von Kaiser
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Using the latest Beta with Excel 2007, pressing the CalcAttributes button seems to cause a series of calculations which blink on the bottom of the screen ("Calculating 0%") for quite a while - at more than 5 minutes. I have been able to replicate this behavior several times.
The repetitive blinking and time it takes is such that it appears to me to be a bugged formula, somehow.
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07/21/09, 12:28 PM
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#3094
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Hunter
Aggramar
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Originally Posted by bitterjack
I had the same problem with version 90a yesterday.
Is it the pet talents causing an issue?
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Try redownloading 90a, I just checked and didn't have any problems retrieving talents from the armory.
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07/21/09, 1:24 PM
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#3095
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Piston Honda
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Issue: ilvl 245 leatherworking items are included even if my intent is to have the gear planner/optimizer only use gear currently available in 3.1 (ilvl 213-239 items only)
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07/22/09, 2:15 PM
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#3096
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Seoman
Using the latest Beta with Excel 2007, pressing the CalcAttributes button seems to cause a series of calculations which blink on the bottom of the screen ("Calculating 0%") for quite a while - at more than 5 minutes. I have been able to replicate this behavior several times.
The repetitive blinking and time it takes is such that it appears to me to be a bugged formula, somehow.
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It's seriously taking forever, way more than 5 minutes, when in the past it would take just a few seconds. Anyone else have this issue?
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07/22/09, 2:29 PM
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#3097
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Hunter
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
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Originally Posted by Seoman
It's seriously taking forever, way more than 5 minutes, when in the past it would take just a few seconds. Anyone else have this issue?
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It's a bug, it's fixed in the next version.
I'm currently adding all the new items for 3.2 discovered and once that is done I'll release the next version. The "CalcAttributes" results is used only for the pawn string currently so it's not really critical. It's not needed to run that button for the Gear Planner or Optimizer.
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07/22/09, 7:07 PM
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#3098
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Glass Joe
Orc Hunter
Steamwheedle Cartel
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Loading my profile, I get the following warning: '+114 Attack Power is not a supported Wrist enchant.' I have them enchanted with Fur Lining - Attack Power - Spell - World of Warcraft.
Edit: My mistake, I believe the PTR may have changed this enchant.
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07/22/09, 7:45 PM
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#3099
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by pabelanger
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Correct. Same thing applies to ring enchants, etc. The beta spreadsheet is 3.2 only.
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07/22/09, 8:35 PM
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#3100
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Glass Joe
Tauren Hunter
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
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Why does speccing into improved hunter's mark doesn't show a dps increase in the spreadsheet? I'm trying to figure out whether I should put points in focused aim and equip another item or spec into improved hunter's mark.
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