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Old 08/01/09, 5:10 AM   #3176
bronnum
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Ravencrest (EU)
@Rivkah
How big a sample does your test rely on, Rivkah? As the percentages are quite small, it might require a fairly big sample to derive reliable results regarding expertise.

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Old 08/01/09, 6:13 PM   #3177
Rivkah
King Hippo
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Stormrage
I've been running about 3-4k pet attacks per test. For tests that have been giving me numbers that didn't follow a logical pattern I ran the tests a few times to see if the numbers were consistent. I'm currently working on running tests all the way to 0% so I can get a better picture of the situation.

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Old 08/03/09, 9:23 AM   #3178
turbo_012
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Orc Hunter
 
Mal'Ganis
stamina converting to AP

Hi,

I've been playing around with the accuracy of the character's health.

During the test I found a possible bug related to health.

If you look at the calculations tab, the talent "hunter vs. wild" is supposed to increase attack power by a certain percentage based on the total stamina. But the spreadsheet only calculates the stamina accounted from gear.

Is this how it works in-game? Just something to look into.

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Old 08/03/09, 10:33 AM   #3179
kaye
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Terenas (EU)
I maybe a thiko here, but how do you enable dragons eyes in the settings tab.

Cheers in advance

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Old 08/03/09, 6:33 PM   #3180
atheana
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Kargath
none of the buttons are working when i click on them. and i already adjusted all the settings as it says. how can i fix this?

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Old 08/04/09, 10:52 AM   #3181
Croto
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Troll Hunter
 
The Forgotten Coast
The Relentless Gladiator's Shotgun is incorrectly labeled as a Bow, throwing off the racial calculations for Trolls and Dwarves.

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Old 08/04/09, 12:42 PM   #3182
rageundersilk
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Shattered Hand
Error with spreadsheet

I am encountering an error using the latest version of your DPS spreadsheet Version 91a.

I am using Excel 2003. If this is the root of the issue, please let me know. As far as I know, spreadsheets are relatively backwards compatible.

The error occurs when I try to mouse over the "Load Gear from Armory" button on the "Gear" tab. The MS Visual Basic debugger comes up and two error messages are displayed. They are the same and say: "Compile Error: Automation Error".

The debugger highlights the Private Sub Worksheet_Change(ByVal Target As Excel.Range) function when this occurs.

Thank you. I appreciate your work on this spreadsheet.

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Old 08/04/09, 12:54 PM   #3183
 VRoscioli
Great Tiger
 
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Ghostlands
Would it be possible to add a check to the regemmer to check to see if the post-regemming DPS meets or exceeds the pre-regemming DPS, and if not it reverts to the previous gemming?

[e]: And the same with the gear planner, if possible.

Last edited by VRoscioli : 08/05/09 at 2:10 PM.



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Old 08/04/09, 2:47 PM   #3184
Sedona
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Exodar
Granted there isn't a lot on BM hunters these days. I am trying to figure out a new BM build for today's patch, but it seems that every time I spec into Catlike Reflexes that I lose DPS. From what I have read, CR was speculated to be a DPS increase. I cannot replicate any of these findings. Is there something I am missing with the spreadsheet?

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Old 08/04/09, 3:56 PM   #3185
tonic316
Don Flamenco
 
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Orc Warrior
 
Uldum
Is it just me or if you have mostly BiS gear the only upgrades are from hard mode loot (ilv258). At least thats what the spread sheet is showing.

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Old 08/04/09, 5:05 PM   #3186
Trickytrout
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Zul'Jin
Try using the new t9 2 pc bonus with the t8.5 2 pc. It's about a 400dps increase. Seems that it will be worth keeping the t8.5 helm and chest for the set bonus.

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Old 08/04/09, 5:54 PM   #3187
tonic316
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Orc Warrior
 
Uldum
Now I try using the optimizer and it throws in all 3.2 gear which boosts my dps from 7800 to 9800, but the gear planner shows all my current gear as better dps upgrades. I think my gear planner is messed up or something.

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Old 08/04/09, 5:55 PM   #3188
Ginbar002
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Whisperwind
Catlike reflexes

Originally Posted by Sedona View Post
Granted there isn't a lot on BM hunters these days. I am trying to figure out a new BM build for today's patch, but it seems that every time I spec into Catlike Reflexes that I lose DPS. From what I have read, CR was speculated to be a DPS increase. I cannot replicate any of these findings. Is there something I am missing with the spreadsheet?
I also noticed a "dps loss" when talenting into CR, ss showed a few hundred dps loss....curious to me that a talent intended to increase dps when specced, actually shows a loss?

I think maybe I'm missing something also, just not sure what.


Any thoughts out there?

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Old 08/04/09, 6:09 PM   #3189
 VRoscioli
Great Tiger
 
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Ghostlands
Originally Posted by Ginbar002 View Post
I also noticed a "dps loss" when talenting into CR, ss showed a few hundred dps loss....curious to me that a talent intended to increase dps when specced, actually shows a loss?

I think maybe I'm missing something also, just not sure what.


Any thoughts out there?
My guess is that since 3.2 causes pets to be expertise capped that the only DPS benefit of this talent is to provide a lower CD on Kill Command. It has previously been shown that in some cases where you go OOM and need to use Aspect of the Viper, the DPS lost from extra Viper time (from Kill Command) is actually greater than the DPS gain from Kill Command itself. Therefore, it is a net DPS increase to not use Kill Command if you have mana issues (in some cases).



Originally Posted by Seonid View Post
One of the advantages of not being a developer is that I have no knowledge of any "proper" way to do anything. That and C is liking coding in an illustrated version of assembler.
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Old 08/04/09, 6:10 PM   #3190
tonic316
Don Flamenco
 
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Orc Warrior
 
Uldum
Anyone have any idea why gear planner shows everything as a dps downgrade, but when I equip the dps downgrade item my dps calculation goes up.

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Old 08/04/09, 9:26 PM   #3191
Esoth
Bald Bull
 
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Worgen Hunter
 
Whisperwind
Originally Posted by VRoscioli View Post
My guess is that since 3.2 causes pets to be expertise capped that the only DPS benefit of this talent is to provide a lower CD on Kill Command.
I think you're misreading the talent - it increases the dodge for you and your pet, not reduces the target's chance to dodge. Using kill command with Bestial Wrath up is also the best way to go, which means either 1 minute (plus a bit of wait time to go with longevity and the glyph) or 30 seconds. I don't think there's any reason to do anything other than 0/3 or 3/3 with that talent.

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Old 08/05/09, 3:38 AM   #3192
Ginbar002
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Whisperwind
Catlike reflexes

Originally Posted by VRoscioli View Post
My guess is that since 3.2 causes pets to be expertise capped that the only DPS benefit of this talent is to provide a lower CD on Kill Command. It has previously been shown that in some cases where you go OOM and need to use Aspect of the Viper, the DPS lost from extra Viper time (from Kill Command) is actually greater than the DPS gain from Kill Command itself. Therefore, it is a net DPS increase to not use Kill Command if you have mana issues (in some cases).
So assuming mana is not an issue, then the 3/3 CR specced should be a dps increase in theory; cd on KC is lowered to 30 secs, meaning more pet crit damage over the 3 attacks..

Maybe a setting on the SS could show this; like hawk always up or something?

TY for replies..

Ginbar

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Old 08/05/09, 11:10 AM   #3193
 VRoscioli
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Ghostlands
Originally Posted by Ginbar002 View Post
Maybe a setting on the SS could show this; like hawk always up or something?
Aspect of the Dragonhawk/Aspect of the Viper uptime can be found on the Rotation Test tab.



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One of the advantages of not being a developer is that I have no knowledge of any "proper" way to do anything. That and C is liking coding in an illustrated version of assembler.
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Old 08/05/09, 11:57 AM   #3194
nego
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Orc Hunter
 
Scilla
Originally Posted by Shandara View Post
Make sure you enable Dragon's Eyes on the settings tab (since you are a JC).


**** I got it****

Last edited by nego : 08/05/09 at 12:07 PM.

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Old 08/05/09, 12:03 PM   #3195
 VRoscioli
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Ghostlands
The most recent version of the spreadsheet does not appear to have Cuirass of Cruel Intent - Items - Sigrie (Horde) or Breastplate of Cruel Intent - Items - Sigrie (Alliance). Both drop from Northrend Beasts 25 (regular: iLevel 245).

[e]: Also, on the Custom Gear tab, there is nowhere to set iLevel, so the custom items don't get picked up by the gear planner unless you (1) set the iLevel threshold to 0; or (2) Go to that gear-type's sheet and manually enter the iLevel.

Last edited by VRoscioli : 08/05/09 at 2:09 PM.



Originally Posted by Seonid View Post
One of the advantages of not being a developer is that I have no knowledge of any "proper" way to do anything. That and C is liking coding in an illustrated version of assembler.
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Old 08/05/09, 2:55 PM   #3196
Whitefyst
King Hippo
 
Orc Hunter
 
Draenor
First off, I just wanted to say that I love what you have done with the Gear Planner. I thought it was useful before, but it is very useful now and saves me a lot of additional work. Thanks a ton.

Just wanted to make sure you are aware of a few items that are not appearing in the spreadsheet or which are mislabled from what MMO lists. Due to server problems, I have not had the chance to get on to verify some of these yet. These are from a horde perspective.

Mark of Supremacy: Emblem trinket is missing
Dexterous Brightstone Ring: Emblem ring is missing
Pauldrons of the Devourer: These are the horde version of the "Epaulets of Devourer (horde)"
Ancient Pendant of Arathor: Neck from H Trial of the Champion
Banner of Victory: Trinket from Trial of the Champion - has ArP as passive stat
Warsong Poacher's Greaves: Feet from 10-man Trial of the Crusader
Collar of Unending Torment: Spreadsheet has choker.
Blood Fury: 1H axe from 25-man
Stygian Bladebreaker: 1H dagger from 25-man
Cuirass of Cruel Intent: chest from 25-man
Leggings of the Lurking Threat: legs from 25-man
Cloak of the Untamed Predator: cloak from 25-man
Charge of the Eredar: neck from 25-man

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Old 08/05/09, 5:42 PM   #3197
Allara
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Draenei Hunter
 
Draenor
Originally Posted by tonic316 View Post
Now I try using the optimizer and it throws in all 3.2 gear which boosts my dps from 7800 to 9800, but the gear planner shows all my current gear as better dps upgrades. I think my gear planner is messed up or something.
I'm experiencing the same behavior with the latest version. The gear optimizer decides to use mostly 3.2 gear, but in the gear planner itself, those items are almost all listed as downgrades from my current 3.1 gear (which is obviously not correct).

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Old 08/05/09, 7:25 PM   #3198
britomartis
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Draenei Hunter
 
Silver Hand
Sheet 91a seems to think Naxx gear is better than Ulduar gear for me.

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Old 08/05/09, 7:37 PM   #3199
Werewolf
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Draenei Shaman
 
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
Originally Posted by Snaile View Post
I changed a piece of armor now and see the default gem selected on all colors is Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) where in the past it would try and use the best gem per color. I know we can change it manually just mentioning in case it is in error.
I didn't find any information about why this happens, but I'm facing the same problem. I've tried default values, I've gone to settings and changed priorities to Color, DPS, Agi (even tried reverse in case I was getting it wrong) and "Only show matching colors", pressed "Sort Gems" every now and then and still when I hit the re-gem button in Gear, it tells me to put Delicate Scarlet Rubies in yellow and blue slots. What am I missing?

[Edit] Reading through everything I could find about gems I finally discovered my problem, and then realized that Lilbitters (see next post) had kindly tried to steer me in the right direction. But, for those like the writer quoted above and myself before this realization, and for the help of those who will stumble upon this problem in the future, the amazingly simple truth is: You can put any color of gem in a slot. Apparently, "everyone" but "complete nubs" knows this, but here it is one more time. You can put any color of gem in a slot. If it's the "wrong" color, you won't get the gemmed bonus (possibly breaking your meta gem requirement too), but sometimes the trade-off is worth it. So my situation above is not so much spreadsheet being broken, but of the spreadsheet making the correct recommendation for gemming.

However, maybe there should be a functionality that would "force" the optimal gem from the correct color in the slots?

Last edited by Werewolf : 08/12/09 at 5:25 AM. Reason: New information

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Old 08/05/09, 8:43 PM   #3200
Lilbitters
Piston Honda
 
Troll Hunter
 
Mug'thol
Well with the addition of epic quality gems, there shouldn't really be much of a decision unless you need to gem for +Hit Rating.

Beast Mastery: [Bright Cardinal Ruby]
Survival: [Delicate Cardinal Ruby]
Marksman: [Fractured Cardinal Ruby] (until 567 ArP + [Mjolnir Runestone]) and then [Delicate Cardinal Ruby]

And then in whichever socket will give you the best set bonus, place a [Nightmare Tear].

The -only- exception to this rule should be if a single Orange ([Deadly Ametrine] or [Wicked Ametrine]) or Purple gem ([Shifting Dreadstone], [Balanced Dreadstone], or [Puissant Dreadstone]) in a socket will give that slot a socket bonus of +8 Agility or greater.

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