WotLK DPS spreadsheet - Page 139

Esoth · 04/16/09, 3:58 PM

They are. Make sure you actually save the profile with the correct glyphs first.

Lonescout · 04/16/09, 4:25 PM

I can pull my character gear sheet ok, but when i try to pull the talents, it says I dont exist, and yes im using the PTR version..

Shandara · 04/16/09, 6:04 PM

A new sheet is in the works, but I have been very busy this week and most of my free time has been spent actually playing the game.

That said, with Blizzard basically letting a lot of bugs go live I'm not sure how to proceed. I assume they will be fixed (but in some cases this takes a long time) so incorporating them into the sheet seems counterproductive.

For hunters this means Black Arrow's strange damage and tooltip range and Rapid Recuperation being a bit too good.

Also, a lot of things need to be re-tested and verified. This includes pet abilities of pets that weren't really raid-viable before because the current sheet models are based on mostly old WotLK beta data in that regard. The new Thunderstomp ability also has a completely different damage range and scaling than the old one and needs to be examined.

I currently do not have the time for this until somewhere next week at the earliest.

EDIT:
On Thunderstomp, the amount of damage and threat it causes have really been reduced, making it only partially useful when it comes to AOE tanking (Even when not dealing AOE damage). I've noticed a sharp reduction in how my gorilla holds threat in any case.

I will have to do some testing to see how it scales. Also anecdotally I have not seen a crit yet.

callans · 04/16/09, 8:05 PM

Error msg from spreadsheet: "There is no <playername> of Ravenholdt on the EU servers" I´ve gotten this for 2 days straight now since they released the patch. Is it that the armory is crowded/down or is it a bug in the sheet? I get the same from both the PTR one and the old one! Never ahd this problem before with the old one.

Tsook · 04/16/09, 9:11 PM

Originally Posted by callans

Error msg from spreadsheet: "There is no <playername> of Ravenholdt on the EU servers" I´ve gotten this for 2 days straight now since they released the patch. Is it that the armory is crowded/down or is it a bug in the sheet? I get the same from both the PTR one and the old one! Never ahd this problem before with the old one.

The armory layout was changed (to show both of your dual specs) when patch 3.1 went live. Since the version of the spreadsheet we have is from before that change, it will not be able to armory import talents until it's updated. Shandara just posted her ETA for that.

Weyard · 04/17/09, 1:29 AM

How good is Armor Pen. now after patch, I was thinking of using [Grim Toll] which is dusting away in my bank. Current spreadsheet says its a dps upgrade but since its not up to date, not to sure and spreadsheet is meh when it comes to armor pen.

kennethhead · 04/17/09, 2:05 AM

I was wondering if anybody had done any theorycrafting on which weapon was better from 25 man Ulduar

the gun:
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...t_9722_237.jpg

or the bow:
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...t_9722_188.jpg

Lerastes · 04/17/09, 2:59 AM

Originally Posted by kennethhead

I was wondering if anybody had done any theorycrafting on which weapon was better from 25 man Ulduar

the gun:
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...t_9722_237.jpg

or the bow:
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...t_9722_188.jpg

The spreadsheet, which is the very subject of this entire thread, will tell you exactly that.

kennethhead · 04/17/09, 3:21 AM

Originally Posted by Lerastes

The spreadsheet, which is the very subject of this entire thread, will tell you exactly that.

I dont use spreadsheets which is why i asked in this thread. i was hoping for some insight, and all you had to do was say gun or bow.

khunad · 04/17/09, 4:16 AM

Originally Posted by kennethhead

I dont use spreadsheets which is why i asked in this thread. i was hoping for some insight, and all you had to do was say gun or bow.

if u r dwarf pick gun

Tharia · 04/17/09, 7:39 AM

Originally Posted by Obellix

Is the talent GftT still included in the DPS calculations? Adding or removing points from it doesn't change my DPS like in the older versions.

Edit: Using latest PTR version.

Were you Marksman and had Rapid Recuperation? There seems to be a bug that gives the Pet unlimited focus when you spec RR, so the points in GftT do nothing (2/2 RR / 0/2 GftT gives higher pet dps than 2/2 GftT / 0/2 RR, but only 1-2 dps). If you get rid of RR, GftT is back to normal.

Shandara · 04/17/09, 8:26 AM

Originally Posted by Tsook

The armory layout was changed (to show both of your dual specs) when patch 3.1 went live. Since the version of the spreadsheet we have is from before that change, it will not be able to armory import talents until it's updated. Shandara just posted her ETA for that.

I had some time to work on it today and I've managed to make it work with the US Armory. The EU Armory has some serious problems and I am guessing it's still being worked on (9 times out of 10 it wouldn't not respond or return an empty XML page and the 1 time it worked it would be a mangled plage).

The next version will also download the glyphs. Mind you it will only download talents and glyphs for your currently active spec.

Skyblaze · 04/17/09, 8:31 AM

Shandara, I want to thank you for your hard work on this project! I appreciate that so much!

Soliloquy · 04/17/09, 8:42 AM

edited out

Shandara · 04/17/09, 9:06 AM

Ok, small update:

- Kibler's Bits 20str/20sta again
- Fixed crit on Journey's End
- Fixed Commanding Shout to work with Commanding Presence talent
- Fixed talent downloads from Armory, it will download the active talent tree
- Removed the 25% ArP effectiveness increase for now (since the bug with ArP cancels it out)
- Talent download now also gets the corresponding glyphs

This is the last 'PTR' version before I release v87. I've tested the Armory import (gear and talents) on about 10 US posters from these boards and it seemed to work alright. Sometimes you will get a message box 'Slot: xxx Item #xxxxx - Enchant is empty" or similar. This means the Armory didn't work correctly and failed to fill out the XML properly. Try again.

It doesn't work for EU yet since that Armory seems to be not providing any useful XML at all (sometimes empty, sometimes half-filled) and times out a lot. I expect once they finish adjusting it it'll start working properly.

I've removed the 25% ArP bonus for now, since it is still bugged on 3.1 Live and seems to be producing numbers roughly the same as 3.09. Once I read up on the thread and/or it is fixed I'll incorporate it into the sheet.

The talent import for glyphs seems to work. Try it out and post feedback (or PM it) so I can get any bugs ironed out before V87).

You might see some familiar names in the Overview tab. These are some of the hunters I've used to test the Armory import. I've tried both hunters with and without Dual Spec. In the future I might add a confirmation bug where you can select which of the 2 specs you want to choose, but for now it only gets the currently activated one (since the Armory might not update quickly enough this might be the wrong one..)