WotLK DPS spreadsheet - Page 14

Ebonleaf · 09/22/08, 1:11 PM

Originally Posted by Shandara

Rabid doesn't do any damage and neither does Call of the Wild.

Instead the effects are averaged out and added to your pets stat's, since the effects apply to both base dps and pet skills.

You can test this by removing all abilities and then adding Rabid. Base dps goes up. Or putting Claw as 2nd and then add Rabid as first, both Claw and base dps will go up. Although Claw only very marginally since you _are_ replacing a claw with a Rabid (which results in a loss of damage).

It gives me a div error and doesn't work. And Rabid & Call of the Wild both should raise his dps a fair bit more than they seem to be.

Scryed · 09/22/08, 1:12 PM

It's probably because I'm using Excel 2007 but when I try to filter items so that I only see WotLK 5-man drops it always displays Naxx 10 and 25 items as well. Is there something I can do to manually fix this?

Thanks

Shandara · 09/22/08, 4:59 PM

Originally Posted by Ebonleaf

It gives me a div error and doesn't work. And Rabid & Call of the Wild both should raise his dps a fair bit more than they seem to be.

I've caught the error if you remove all abilities already while I was trying to figure out if there was something wrong.

Call of the Wild is a very very marginal DPS boost, mostly because of the extremely long CD.

Rabid is, on average, a 12% (for BM) or 9% (for MM/SV) Pet AP boost. This doesn't mean it's a 12/9% damage increase tho. More around ~5/6%.

@Scryed:
Good catch, there was a typo in button so it wasn't triggering it when you disabled Naxx loot. Should be fixed in next release.

EDIT
Uploaded a fix (V71a) for both issues.

Chul · 09/22/08, 7:32 PM

It looks like you're including crit when dealing with the damage adjustment of DoTs from pet specials.

Shandara · 09/23/08, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Chul

It looks like you're including crit when dealing with the damage adjustment of DoTs from pet specials.

Ye, a bug with Rake. I haven't tested the other DoT abilities yet since I can't tame a spirit beast myself (being only level 70 has its drawbacks).

Does the new Fire Breath of Dragonhawks crit on its first hit or not?
Same goes for Lava Breath.

Cranch · 09/24/08, 2:24 PM

I couldn't find where you add the 5% increased crit chance for Steady with the 4 piece T5 bonus. It appears not to be included since I can swap out a piece of T5 with an approximately equivalent item and not see a dps drop.

I care about that since I use the spreadsheet to figure out when I can break the 4xT5 set and come out ahead.

Thanks again for your work on the spreadsheet, and I hope you don't get burned out trying to follow Blizzard's constant changes.

Shandara · 09/24/08, 6:05 PM

Originally Posted by Cranch

I couldn't find where you add the 5% increased crit chance for Steady with the 4 piece T5 bonus. It appears not to be included since I can swap out a piece of T5 with an approximately equivalent item and not see a dps drop.

I care about that since I use the spreadsheet to figure out when I can break the 4xT5 set and come out ahead.

Thanks again for your work on the spreadsheet, and I hope you don't get burned out trying to follow Blizzard's constant changes.

Ah, I knew I had forgotten something. I had re-done the crit section and removed everything, but must've forgotten to put it back in. I'll take it along next release.

Terp · 09/24/08, 6:37 PM

Unless I'm missing something, multishot and arcane aren't being affected by Mortal Shots on the sheet.

Shandara · 09/24/08, 6:45 PM

Originally Posted by Terp

Unless I'm missing something, multishot and arcane aren't being affected by Mortal Shots on the sheet.

I noticed your post in the other thread. It's a bug, I made a typo. Fixed next release:

- Rake DoT doesn't crit anymore
- Separation Anxiety is now Kindred Spirits and is always on (4/8/12/16/20% pet damage bonus)
- Explosive Damage changed to new scaling (8% AP scaling instead of 20%)
- Kill Shot now deals normalized weapon damage * 205% + 40% RAP + bonus
- Lock and Load is now a 15% chance to proc on Serpent Sting damage ticks
- Improved Tracking no longer affects DoT effects (need verification of Explosive Shot on this count)
- LW bracers enchant Fur Lining: Attack Power is now +114 AP instead of +120 (GG random Blizz changes?)
- Adder Rift Stalker 4-set bonus back in
- Arcane Shot/Multi-Shot is now affected by Mortal Shots
- Auto Shot crit averages no longer affected by Mortal Shots

Scryed · 09/24/08, 10:56 PM

I think there's a minor bug in the spread sheet (v72). The target level remains fixed at 83. The gear page doesn't update from the settings and results page when you change the custom target level as it did in previous versions.

Thanks

sihyunie · 09/25/08, 1:38 AM

Cat's Rake is doing way too much damage I think.
The bleed doing 500 dps just doesn't makes sense.
Also, I can't tell if devilsaur's monstrous bite's 9% damage increase is working correctly.
It doesn't seem like it

Chul · 09/25/08, 2:12 AM

Originally Posted by sihyunie

Cat's Rake is doing way too much damage I think.
The bleed doing 500 dps just doesn't makes sense.
Also, I can't tell if devilsaur's monstrous bite's 9% damage increase is working correctly.
It doesn't seem like it

Mangle gives +30% damage to bleed effects, which Rake is.

However, the spreadsheet doesn't take into consideration Longevity; once you start putting points into it you can lose one tick of damage.

EDIT: I still think the DoT component shouldn't get the full PetAP scaling, so maybe it is a bug that will be toned down when Blizzard realises everyone has a cat and doesn't take the 51pt talent.

Shandara · 09/25/08, 3:40 AM

Originally Posted by Chul

Mangle gives +30% damage to bleed effects, which Rake is.

However, the spreadsheet doesn't take into consideration Longevity; once you start putting points into it you can lose one tick of damage.

EDIT: I still think the DoT component shouldn't get the full PetAP scaling, so maybe it is a bug that will be toned down when Blizzard realises everyone has a cat and doesn't take the 51pt talent.

All the DoT components say 'XX damage over YY seconds', but instead they deal XX + %PetAP every ZZ seconds. I doubt this is intended, but I haven't had a chance to log onto Beta yet since the patch and test it out.

Did some testing on the Beta and both Rake and Lightning Breath are unchanged from what I got last build. Savage Rend as well.

EDIT:
Savage Rend is affected by Mangle on both main hit and DoT
Rake is only affected by it on the DoT.

EDIT #2:
Both Wild Quiver and Chimera Shot seem unchanged and match my calculations.

Kom · 09/25/08, 11:19 AM

Explosive shot now does the AOE damage to the main target also. The ticks of it still scale with Imp tracking.

EDIT: just another note, the crit rate of the AOE ticks are independent of the main tick

Zala · 09/25/08, 6:04 PM

hunter hitchance is applyed to their pets aswell

the animal handler talent is still providing a dps increase although i added like 1000 hitrating in the "gear tab"