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Old 10/21/08, 11:44 AM   #376
DrSuSE
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Spirestone
Hi there! Thanks for all the time and effort. Two issues:

1. In the latest version, Rapid Recuperation and Wild Quiver are reversed when reading from the Armory.

2. Aimed shot is showing up with a 12.43 second cooldown, I saw someone else mentioned it to but figured I would reiterate for good measure, lol. It should only be 10s.

Thanks again!

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Old 10/21/08, 1:11 PM   #377
Bikiniwax
Piston Honda
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Laughing Skull
I don't see an option for Imp. Fairie Fire anymore for the + Hit debuff. Was this removed from the game?

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Old 10/21/08, 1:15 PM   #378
Scryed
Glass Joe
 
Troll Mage
 
Gul'dan
Originally Posted by Bikiniwax View Post
I don't see an option for Imp. Fairie Fire anymore for the + Hit debuff. Was this removed from the game?
It only affects Spell Hit now.

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Old 10/21/08, 1:34 PM   #379
Cranch
Don Flamenco
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Perenolde
I was using the 75c spreadsheet to figure out what pets I should invest in. I found the following bugs:

1. The Furious Howl AP bonus is not being applied when you select it for the pet rotation.
2. The wasp Sting armor debuff does not appear to be applied when you select it for the pet rotation.

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Old 10/21/08, 1:43 PM   #380
Shandara
Great Tiger
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Cranch View Post
I was using the 75c spreadsheet to figure out what pets I should invest in. I found the following bugs:

1. The Furious Howl AP bonus is not being applied when you select it for the pet rotation.
2. The wasp Sting armor debuff does not appear to be applied when you select it for the pet rotation.
They don't stack so have you disabled their counterpart buffs? If so, it's really a bug.

Misc replies to previous posters:
* Jin'rok isn't missing it's misspelled. Fixed next release
* Is Aimed shot fixed now then? It used to add the old cast time to the 10 sec CD last I tested it on Beta (granted that was a build or 2 ago).


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Old 10/21/08, 1:49 PM   #381
Niouk
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Culte de la Rive Noire (EU)
Originally Posted by Shandara View Post
* Is Aimed shot fixed now then? It used to add the old cast time to the 10 sec CD last I tested it on Beta (granted that was a build or 2 ago).
Yes it is, 10 sec CD on live.

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Old 10/21/08, 2:40 PM   #382
Shandara
Great Tiger
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Small update:
- Fixed Jin'rohk spelling
- Fixed Talent import for TBW/Longevity (for real now, accidentally changed the wrong tree before)
- Aimed Shot now 10 sec Cooldown
- Sting (Wasp pet) doesn't stack with CoE anymore
I've hidden the Shot Rotation test tab for now, because I get too much silly questions about it. It's merely a tool for me to check how close the predicted frequencies for a rotation match the ones obtained when you'd write down the rotation by hand. Advanced users can unhide it if they want, it's not protected.

I haven't really had the time (or inclination) to play Beta since the patch went live (too busy with Achievements) so I haven't really run the numbers and tests on pets and their new abilities yet. I'll see if I can make some time for it later, but if someone wants to do it, be my guest.


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Old 10/21/08, 2:50 PM   #383
Bikiniwax
Piston Honda
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Laughing Skull
Shandara,

Great work on keeping this spreadsheet going.

Question. Are the default gems locked on purpose? When I try to change the default gems, the spreadsheet tells me it is locked.

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Old 10/21/08, 2:54 PM   #384
Shandara
Great Tiger
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Bikiniwax View Post
Shandara,

Great work on keeping this spreadsheet going.

Question. Are the default gems locked on purpose? When I try to change the default gems, the spreadsheet tells me it is locked.
Are you changing the custom input fields next to them or the locked 'default values'?


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Old 10/21/08, 2:55 PM   #385
Cranch
Don Flamenco
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Perenolde
Originally Posted by Cranch View Post
I was using the 75c spreadsheet to figure out what pets I should invest in. I found the following bugs:

1. The Furious Howl AP bonus is not being applied when you select it for the pet rotation.
2. The wasp Sting armor debuff does not appear to be applied when you select it for the pet rotation.
Thought I had cleared the stacking buff, but missed the Sting. Sting is working, Furious Howl still isn't. (I cleared all buffs just to be sure.)

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Old 10/21/08, 3:24 PM   #386
Shandara
Great Tiger
 
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Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Cranch View Post
Thought I had cleared the stacking buff, but missed the Sting. Sting is working, Furious Howl still isn't. (I cleared all buffs just to be sure.)
Right you are. Made a small re-upload fixing that.


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Old 10/21/08, 4:31 PM   #387
Azurei
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Windrunner
Now that most (all?) of the TBC gear has been set to Location = TBC, we can't filter in Gear Planner based on Leather, Crafting, etc. Do you have plans to add the filter functionality back? Thanks.

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Old 10/21/08, 4:36 PM   #388
Shandara
Great Tiger
 
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Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Azurei View Post
Now that most (all?) of the TBC gear has been set to Location = TBC, we can't filter in Gear Planner based on Leather, Crafting, etc. Do you have plans to add the filter functionality back? Thanks.
This functionality is only used for WotLK gear. I have no plans to add it back in for TBC gear (since in 3 weeks it'll be obsolete). Eventually I will remove TBC gear in any case (excepting Sunwell gear) since it does seem to level 80 blues/entry level raid gear is an upgrade over any t4/t5 gear you might have (even the DST's age has passed on in that respect).


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Old 10/21/08, 5:42 PM   #389
Mattaos
Piston Honda
 
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Bonechewer
Gorilla Update

I was attempting to sub-in a Gorilla just to see how Thunderstomp would fair on the spreadsheet and I noticed that the CD on the ability was still reflecting 1 min. It is still a 10 sec. CD. This not a major issue obviously, but a minor detail for a future build (given the time), Shandara.

Also, this is my first post on the thread, so I haven't had the opportunity to say "Thank you for your efforts." It is much appreciated.

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Old 10/21/08, 5:44 PM   #390
Shandara
Great Tiger
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Mattaos View Post
I was attempting to sub-in a Gorilla just to see how Thunderstomp would fair on the spreadsheet and I noticed that the CD on the ability was still reflecting 1 min. It is still a 10 sec. CD. This not a major issue obviously, but a minor detail for a future build (given the time), Shandara.

Also, this is my first post on the thread, so I haven't had the opportunity to say "Thank you for your efforts." It is much appreciated.
I haven't implemented thunderstomp yet. If anyone has the correct scaling on it, I can do so. I haven't tamed one yet nor tried it out myself.


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Old 10/21/08, 6:54 PM   #391
vith
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Moonrunner
The ranks for GBoMight seem to be mixed up. you have r3(lvl70)/4(73)/5(79) = 255/305/550 but wowhead has 305/410/550. You have Rank4 selected by default for the lvl70 raid preset though, so it had the right ap anyway.

Also, Battle Shout gives RAP now. Not sure if Solarian's Sapphire affects RAP though.

New ranks of mana spring totem: r5(lvl65)/6(71)/7(76)/8(80) = 20/25/30/34 mp2 or 50/62.5/75/85 mp5

SoE totem corrections: level 70 raid preset should be rank 6 (not rank 5); rank 7 should be 115 agi/str; rank 8 is missing and should be 155

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Old 10/21/08, 7:00 PM   #392
Dralmoo
Don Flamenco
 
Orc Hunter
 
Shadowmoon
[Solarian's Sapphire] only works on its owner now so it's not relevant to hunters.

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Old 10/22/08, 10:09 AM   #393
Zala
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Mannoroth (EU)
Smooth Dragon's Eye is missing atm

thought inscription prefession allows to equip 4 major glyphs - so adding a 4th major glyphslot would be nice



again thanks for maintaining this great resource

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Old 10/22/08, 10:25 AM   #394
Vegelus
Von Kaiser
 
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Shadowsong (EU)
Originally Posted by Zala View Post
thought inscription prefession allows to equip 4 major glyphs - so adding a 4th major glyphslot would be nice


again thanks for maintaining this great resource
Didn't they remove it?

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Old 10/22/08, 10:36 AM   #395
Shandara
Great Tiger
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Vegelus View Post
Didn't they remove it?
Yes they did.


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Old 10/22/08, 5:58 PM   #396
Bikiniwax
Piston Honda
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Laughing Skull
I have a question that has been bugging me for quite a while now. Maybe someone can help me out.

With my raid gear (armoury me if you like), I use DST+Madness as my trinkets. On the Gear page, changing out my DST for anything else like Bloodlust is a DPS decrease. However, when I look at the gear Planner page, DST isn't even listed in the top 10 trinkets and Bloodlust is listed 6th (higher than Madness even).

Basically the Gear page shows DST better than Bloodlust but the Gear Planner page shows Bloodlust better than DST with DST not even in the top 10.

Why are they showing to opposite? Am I missing something here? The DST has shown this weird behaviour even when Cheeky was managing this spreadsheet.

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Old 10/22/08, 6:08 PM   #397
Indora
Von Kaiser
 
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Draenei Hunter
 
Azshara (EU)
Switchting in an item is always more precise than the assumptions made by the gear planner, especially when haste/hit rating is involved.

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Old 10/22/08, 6:50 PM   #398
Shandara
Great Tiger
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
The Dragonspine Trophy is a bit of a rarity amongst the trinkets in that it affects and interacts with Quick Shots in quite a big manner.

With the overhaul of the trinket calculations I did a while ago, I forgot to give special consideration to the DST so it's being judged purely on the stats on the item. The haste proc is unaccounted for. That's why it's so low on the Gear Planner at the moment.

I'll see what I can do to fix it. Still, the DST is now a sub-par trinket compared to what level 80 raiding has to offer. It's still amongst the best for 70, but that's over in a few weeks.


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Old 10/23/08, 3:21 AM   #399
dssurge
Piston Honda
 
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Orc Hunter
 
Korgath
Hi, posting in this thread for the first time, and I must say a lot of the details on your spreadsheet seem to be quite accurate, but the one section I'm finding to be considerably off is that of pet damage.

The spreadsheet is indicating my pets as MM build should be doing anywhere from 500-600 DPS but this is a gross over-calculation from what I've found in real raid testing. I'm personally using a Wasp and I find the maximum DPS it can put out is somewhere in the 250-300 range with Smack and Sting on auto-cast, using Rabid on CD.

I certainly appreciate your work and hope this is more of a "work in progress" in the current version of the spreadsheet than an error Almost all personal DPS numbers seem to be spot on otherwise.

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Old 10/23/08, 5:55 AM   #400
Shandara
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by dssurge View Post
Hi, posting in this thread for the first time, and I must say a lot of the details on your spreadsheet seem to be quite accurate, but the one section I'm finding to be considerably off is that of pet damage.

The spreadsheet is indicating my pets as MM build should be doing anywhere from 500-600 DPS but this is a gross over-calculation from what I've found in real raid testing. I'm personally using a Wasp and I find the maximum DPS it can put out is somewhere in the 250-300 range with Smack and Sting on auto-cast, using Rabid on CD.

I certainly appreciate your work and hope this is more of a "work in progress" in the current version of the spreadsheet than an error Almost all personal DPS numbers seem to be spot on otherwise.
This can have any number of reasons:
a) Sting is not (or no longer) implemented correctly or the scaling/damage changed since last time I tested it.
b) Your pet is running out of focus and/or the pet AI is interfering
c) Your pet is not getting the buffs you selected in the buff profile or some buffs aren't affecting the pet as we assume.\
d) Your pet is level 80 in the sheet (maybe I should link this to the player level, since I forget this sometimes too)

Mind you, I've done most of my testing with a Cat and a Wolf. I haven't really tested anything else, so I have had to rely on numbers reported by others.

Last edited by Shandara : 10/23/08 at 6:04 AM.


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