WotLK DPS spreadsheet - Page 18

Shandara · 10/04/08, 5:00 AM

@Chul:
I've adapated my test with your corrections and arrived at roughly the same figures. It leaves me puzzled what is going on. Should we just conclude that pets have a 1.25s GCD?

@Samfisher
My bad, some head items have the meta socket in different places. Your PvP helm is one of them. This will be fixed in the next release. In the meantime you can just swap the gems.

Midnight · 10/04/08, 5:21 AM

Found another small bug. When I use gems matching the socket colors in a Valorous Cryptstalker Tunic it says socket bonus achieved but doesn´t really add it. The same is the case for the Truesight Ice Blinders and Nesingwary 4000.

Shandara · 10/04/08, 5:49 AM

Originally Posted by Midnight

Found another small bug. When I use gems matching the socket colors in a Valorous Cryptstalker Tunic it says socket bonus achieved but doesn´t really add it. The same is the case for the Truesight Ice Blinders and Nesingwary 4000.

These items are missing their socket bonuses. Should be fixed next release.

EDIT:
While testing the level 80 premades and checking pet stats and such I noticed pets now seem to gain 45% of the Hunter's total Armor.

Also, the amount displayed on the hunter's character tab and the amount gained on the pet's tab differ. Display issue? Same goes for stamina.

Update:

- Rapid Fire and Bestial Wrath/TBW in the shot priority queue now control whether their effects are used in the calculations, rather than being 'always on'
- Added level 80 Night Elf stats and level 80 pet base stats
- Pets now gain 45% of the hunter's Armor
- Thick Hide now also increases Hunter's Armor
- Fixed meta gems on helms and some missing socket bonuses on various items

Chul · 10/04/08, 8:20 PM

Originally Posted by Shandara

@Chul:
I've adapated my test with your corrections and arrived at roughly the same figures. It leaves me puzzled what is going on. Should we just conclude that pets have a 1.25s GCD?

Certainly seems that way. But is only is 1.25s when on auto-cast. A UI hooks shows it has a 1.5s GCD but that is probably for manual casting.

Perhaps you should add a field where we can enter the pet GCD in case they "fix" it and give it a default of 1.25s.

Azuol · 10/05/08, 6:47 AM

First off I will say thank you for continuing with a spreadsheet for us.

With that said I took a look at it and entered in all the specs as I am now on live but with a new MM spec for when 3.0 hits and the sheet predicts my DPS output to be around 2700 DPS. Now that seems a little high to begin with for a level 70 in my current gear(BT/MH), but the real problem is that on the PTR I have tested it and I only seem to get at max 1500+ DPS. I know that ArPen seems to be broken but this big of a discrepancy worries me. Am I doing something wrong on the spreadsheet or is the content on the PTR not completely functioning the way it is supposed to?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Shandara · 10/05/08, 7:08 AM

Did you turn off all buffs and set your pet to level 70 if you are solo-testing the PTR?

Azuol · 10/05/08, 5:56 PM

Originally Posted by Shandara

Did you turn off all buffs and set your pet to level 70 if you are solo-testing the PTR?

Opps, Well that seemed to be the big problem I forgot to turn off buffs. It seems the numbers now are much closer to be accurate now

Thanks for a reply. And again thanks for the spreadsheet it is helping a lot with my theorycrafting

sihyunie · 10/05/08, 10:43 PM

it seems like, now that pet skills all scale w/ ap, 1 hit > 2 ap > 1 agi according to the spreadsheet. Just want some confirmation from other ppl on that.
Also, different ranks of go for the throat doesn't change the dps (@40+% crit). I'm not sure how it is modeled so can't quite check it.

Shandara · 10/06/08, 2:08 AM

Originally Posted by sihyunie

it seems like, now that pet skills all scale w/ ap, 1 hit > 2 ap > 1 agi according to the spreadsheet. Just want some confirmation from other ppl on that.
Also, different ranks of go for the throat doesn't change the dps (@40+% crit). I'm not sure how it is modeled so can't quite check it.

The most likely cause is that because if you have a 40% crit rate Go for the Throat generates enough focus with 1 point in it (if you have Bestial Discipline) to satisfy your pet.

On paper this is correct. In practice you'll want 2/2 GftT to eliminate streakiness for your pet.

And yes, +hit is the biggest DPS upgrade until you get capped, then it's AP/agi, followed by Crit/ArP.

Azuol · 10/06/08, 6:52 AM

@sihyunie

I was also interested in whether or not AP is going to be our main stat again as MM, over Agi. On the spreadsheet Agi seems to bring me more DPS as MM at level 70. When I switch over to level 80 it would appear that AP brings us more DPS than Agi.

I am guessing that AP scales better than Agi for MM as we level to 80. The fact that TSA (with glyph) will give 12% more AP will add up since that will end up scaling better at 80 as well. Seeing as MM used to be based around AP more so than Agi, it would make sense that it remains that way.

I do not have beta access so I cannot confirm any of this so it would be great for someone that does to shed a little light as to what gems you use as MM when raiding at 80.

Zala · 10/06/08, 6:57 AM

The +20 AGI gem - Delicate Cardinal Ruby - couts as a yellow gem atm.

//edit

Looks like only the small box in the top right counts it as a yellow gem. The metagem Relentless Earthstorm Diamont worked. Although the box said i had only 1 red gem equipped.

Zala · 10/06/08, 7:18 AM

Oh and i forgot my mainissue. Readiness doesnt reset the Bestial Warth Cooldown on Beta-Realms.

Shandara · 10/06/08, 8:06 AM

Originally Posted by Zala

Oh and i forgot my mainissue. Readiness doesnt reset the Bestial Warth Cooldown on Beta-Realms.

I (we) are assuming that's a bug. Or at least let's hope so.

Ebonleaf · 10/06/08, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Shandara

I (we) are assuming that's a bug. Or at least let's hope so.

BW is pet based, not hunter based. Readiness affects hunter cooldowns.

Shandara · 10/06/08, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Ebonleaf

BW is pet based, not hunter based. Readiness affects hunter cooldowns.

By that logic The Beast Within should be reset, since it affects the hunter. It is a spell the hunter casts on himself and the pet.

That sort of logic doesn't often count with Blizzard though. It's probably intentional and intended to curb BM dps/PvP.