WotLK DPS spreadsheet - Page 180

Spring · 06/02/09, 9:06 AM

Shandara, can you please update the stats for Magnetized Projectile Emitter?

zápdos · 06/02/09, 9:27 AM

Originally Posted by dssurge

Hi, I have a concern with the calculation used to estimate the 4p bonus in regards to it's effective uptime. The spreadsheet credits the bonus with a roughly 18% uptime, which is a gross over-estimate.

I've had 4P for a while and across all WWS and WMO parses I can find, the effective uptime on the proc has been no higher than 10% across multiple weeks of raids, going as low as 4-6% regularly averaged out across multiple boss fights. In a strictly synthetic environment, the up time may be 18%, but it is no where near accurate due to deviating shot patterns, target switching, and other factors the spread sheet can't, and isn't expected to account for.

I would highly recommend lowering the effective AP gains on this 4P bonus by a sizable amount to better reflect the effectiveness of the 4P, for as it stands, you will get much better numbers from using 2P with 3 off-set items in a more real-world environment. I will gladly PM you a direct link to our WMO portal to verify the approximate uptime, but I assure you, it does not exceed 10%.

The sample size I am using to estimate this is at least 400 boss attempts. No trash.

The uptime will depend on so many factors. Which spec you are, how many LNL procs you get varies the amount of SS you do for example. BM will likely have the highest uptime of the proc, with marks closely behind it. Also the spreadsheet assumes you are constantly dpsing - having to move at all during a fight will ALWAYS result in less steadyshots, since during the time you are moving, you are likely to not be using steady shot and thus have your more important shots ready when you reach your destination.

Drako · 06/02/09, 9:29 AM

Wohoo my first post^^

If you're doing a rotationtest silence shot is listed, but the shot doesn't do any damage.
Also the damage of killshot isn't listed on the overview-tab.

Bikiniwax · 06/02/09, 9:34 AM

Shandara,

I get the following error (cookie-cutter 7/57/7 spec) when I change latency from 200 to 250 on the Rotations tab.

Worksheets("Rotation Test").Cells(row + 1, col + 5).value = Worksheets("Rotation Test").Cells(row + 1, col + 5).value + "(J " & waitTime * ") "

Shandara · 06/02/09, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Drako

Wohoo my first post^^

If you're doing a rotationtest silence shot is listed, but the shot doesn't do any damage.
Also the damage of killshot isn't listed on the overview-tab.

Thanks. The first is a bug, Silencing Shot will be fixed next version.

Kill Shot won't show up unless you set the boss HP percentage to sub-20% OR use the rotation test (in which case it'll be automatically used for the last 20% of the boss fight).

@Bikiniwax:
I've had reports of this bug but I have been unable to reproduce it as yet Can you see what steps you did to make it bug out? Merely changing the latency to 250 ms and re-running the test works normally for me.

Dralmoo · 06/02/09, 11:49 AM

re: 4pcT8 uptime

how are you measuring this? Across the whole raid? On stand and shoot bossfights like Ignis or Thorim, I have an uptime on Precision Shots of between 15-20%.

akbinhil · 06/02/09, 12:51 PM

Does silencing shot work on bosses (damage them I mean)? Dumb question I know

Cattiebrie · 06/02/09, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by akbinhil

Does silencing shot work on bosses (damage them I mean)? Dumb question I know

Yes, quite a while ago, they made it so that even if bosses were immune to the silence portion, they would still take damage. By quite a while ago, I mean like before TBC

akbinhil · 06/02/09, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by Cattiebrie

Yes, quite a while ago, they made it so that even if bosses were immune to the silence portion, they would still take damage. By quite a while ago, I mean like before TBC

You can see how often I raid silencing shot MM. It's a nice little 70 dps 1-point talent, just drains mana a lot. Does it work as an interrupt like it's supposed to now as well for Ulduar bosses?

Beachwanderer · 06/02/09, 1:22 PM

I was wondering if an option could be added to have 'Call of the Wild' in the shot rotation. I have mine off autocast and only activate it when I hit Rapid Fire and Blood Fury. In particular this should result in a higher "Best Possible DPS".

ankah · 06/02/09, 2:09 PM

Originally Posted by akbinhil

You can see how often I raid silencing shot MM. It's a nice little 70 dps 1-point talent, just drains mana a lot. Does it work as an interrupt like it's supposed to now as well for Ulduar bosses?

While it does not work on bosses (as far as I can tell), silencing shot is useful in certain encounters, such as the evokers on thorim and so forth.

Enishi · 06/02/09, 2:31 PM

Originally Posted by ankah

While it does not work on bosses (as far as I can tell), silencing shot is useful in certain encounters, such as the evokers on thorim and so forth.

(This topic does not really have anything to do with the spreadsheet)
Despite that, I will add that it does work on General Vezax as an interrupt, just remember to unmacro it for the fight from your other shots if you are put on this task.

Nakari · 06/02/09, 3:59 PM

The interrupt of Silencing Shot works on all interruptable bosses (Vezax & Stormcaller Brundir from the top of my head), and should be taken out of the roatation for those fights, as it can severely screw up interrupt rotations of rogues / warriors / death kinghts (whose interrupts last a lot longer than silencing shot's 2 seconds).

Esoth · 06/02/09, 4:29 PM

For the purposes of Vezax shenanigans, would it be difficult to add a hand adjust line to target debuffs? I know shadow crash gives a buff not a debuff, but since those cells already have magic% columns it seems the easiest place to put this feature.

Also, am I correct in believing that setting Aspect Behavior to "Always On" means that it will assume I never switch to Viper regardless of mana? I'm just trying to eliminate all mana regen from the spreadsheet possible.

Shandara · 06/02/09, 5:27 PM

Originally Posted by Esoth

For the purposes of Vezax shenanigans, would it be difficult to add a hand adjust line to target debuffs? I know shadow crash gives a buff not a debuff, but since those cells already have magic% columns it seems the easiest place to put this feature.

Also, am I correct in believing that setting Aspect Behavior to "Always On" means that it will assume I never switch to Viper regardless of mana? I'm just trying to eliminate all mana regen from the spreadsheet possible.

Yes, "Always On" will prevent any usage of Viper.