WotLK DPS spreadsheet - Page 226

SDKyRoN · 08/19/09, 10:19 AM

Isn't there a problem with 91c, if i use the Regem button it tells me to socket 4 Delicate dragoneyes, i mean fine, but i wish i could

Shandara · 08/19/09, 10:21 AM

The comparison between 1h/2h has never worked to my satisfaction yet. It's impossible to compare properly, since it the dual-wield combo depends on 2 weapons.

EDIT:
@Mussashi:
The True-aim Long Rifle is in there, it just has the wrong itemID associated with it. Thanks, I'll fix it for the next version.

inyu · 08/19/09, 12:17 PM

Looking at the "first trinket" list, Mirror of Truth is listed as having +69,14 dps over Greatness.
But looking at the "second trinket" list, it is listed as -71,45 dps as compared to Greatness.
How am I supposed to read these numbers?

I was getting that also on my sheet using the 0.91b but since the 0.91c seems to be displayed correctly on the Gear Planner. However the 2handed list seems to be bugged for me like yours (being over hitcap It shows Twisted Visage many dps over Lotrafen and just 4dps under Reckoning). I've done the recalculation many times.

Edit* Seems to be something related with hit attribute because it's also showing me Death-warmed Belt 26dps over Belt of Dragons while reaching the hitcap with the Belt of Dragons. However If I equip those items in the Gear tab the DPS goes in favor to Belf of Dragons.

Painstorm · 08/19/09, 2:37 PM

Originally Posted by inyu

I was getting that also on my sheet using the 0.91b but since the 0.91c seems to be displayed correctly on the Gear Planner. However the 2handed list seems to be bugged for me like yours (being over hitcap It shows Twisted Visage many dps over Lotrafen and just 4dps under Reckoning). I've done the recalculation many times.

Edit* Seems to be something related with hit attribute because it's also showing me Death-warmed Belt 26dps over Belt of Dragons while reaching the hitcap with the Belt of Dragons. However If I equip those items in the Gear tab the DPS goes in favor to Belf of Dragons.

I'm using 0.91c, so that's not the problem with the trinkets.

But you're right about the 2H weapon. As soon as I went over the hit cap, it started suggestion some "weird" items, like Twisted Visage that got loads of +hit.
In fact the trinket issue might also have started when I went over the hit cap.

Whitefyst · 08/19/09, 4:13 PM

Originally Posted by Painstorm

I'm using 0.91c, so that's not the problem with the trinkets.

But you're right about the 2H weapon. As soon as I went over the hit cap, it started suggestion some "weird" items, like Twisted Visage that got loads of +hit.
In fact the trinket issue might also have started when I went over the hit cap.

First off, I would like to say that I had previously not encountered this problem myself after getting all of the gem settings correct, but it made me curious.

So, I want off did some tests in my copy with using different amounts of hardcoded +hit and FA to get way over the hit cap, and I am still getting what looks to me like reasonable results. There may be a problem with the spreadsheet in this regards, but I do not seem to be encountering it in my limited tests.

To make sure, when you made gear changes you did remember to Recalculate DPS on the Gear Planner tab (which also does the CalcAttributes from the Overview tab). If you switch gear and don't do a Recalculate DPS, it uses +1 coefficients from your old gear set and not the new set, so the results are not as accurate and get worse as you make additional changes that result in larger and larger net changes in stats. Just sorting the Gear Planner after gear changes doesn't provide accurate indications of the effects of the next gear change until you Recalculate DPS.

Another item to remember is to make sure that the CalcAttributes were done using the current Gear profile and not some other Gear profile that you have. For instance, if I accidentally use the coefficients from my BiS profile when looking at the Gear Planner while in my current gear profile, I see a huge difference between my current weapon, Lofrafen and the BiS weapon. It shows up as a 163.87 gear difference instead of 139.43 due to the overall better stats on the BiS gear. If the two profiles have differences in hit rating and use of FA, value of gear relatively speaking will be valued differently too.

Shandara · 08/19/09, 4:26 PM

Small update:

- Crit elixirs now work again
- The Beast Within's mana reduction properly applied to our shots/abilities again
- Fixed itemID for Collar of Ceaseless Torment and Bracers of the Northern Stalker
- Fixed bad itemID for True-aim Long Rifle
- Gear Planner has now a green indication for when your current gear set isn't optimally gemmed.

inyu · 08/20/09, 9:47 AM

I still don't see why is it overating items with hit:

I've recalculated DPS using current gear profile.

Any clues ?

PD: Exported overview

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Hirgux · 08/20/09, 10:12 AM

I'm a bit confused about the silencing shot. It is not on GCD, so you can use it with all other shots in a macro.

Now I get this:

Serpent Sting
Chimera Shot
Aimed Shot
Arcane Shot
Steady Shot
Silencing Shot <<
----------------
7092 dps

Serpent Sting
Silencing Shot <<
Chimera Shot
Aimed Shot
Arcane Shot
Steady Shot
----------------
7091 dps

Serpent Sting
Chimera Shot
Silencing Shot <<
Aimed Shot
Arcane Shot
Steady Shot
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7083 dps

What irritates me, is that using silencing at the end gives better dps than using it in the beginning. Using in the beginning would be more intelligent, because of the cd.

Edit: How is the T8 4p set bonus modeled? Average ap over fighttime? Then what's the supposed uptime? Mine is normally around 7-14%

ryan92084 · 08/20/09, 10:29 AM

@inyu i loaded your profile, calculated attributes, checked all of the slots on the gear planner (they weren't) and recalculated dps

the results were wildly different from your screenshot and while still favoring some hit items it shouldn't be the deltas were much closer. shawl of the shattered giant was showing a delta of +1.61 dps but when equiping actually lost 7.67 dps.

ArmeisV · 08/20/09, 11:09 AM

Catlike Reflexes have been changed to reduce Kill Command CD in 30 seconds with 3/3, but in talents/glyphs it is in red, is it correct?

Bees · 08/20/09, 1:18 PM

Originally Posted by Hirgux

I'm a bit confused about the silencing shot. It is not on GCD, so you can use it with all other shots in a macro.

This is because silencing shot still requires you to mash a button. Shots are never closer together than 100ms, so having it early gives you more 'free slots' in which to hit the button. If steady shot and silencing shot are both available and steady is higher on the priority list, silencing will be pushed 100ms later.

So there are two things to look at - frequency of shots and overall dps.

If you put silencing shot earlier, it takes away time from other shots (which do much more damage). The other thing to consider is that silencing shot has the lowest damage-per-mana of any special.

This means you'll hit OOM sooner, go to viper for longer, and it'll pull down your overall dps.

My time to OOM when silencing is at the end: 87.52
My time to OOM when silencing is at the start: 87.89

Originally Posted by Hirgux

Edit: How is the T8 4p set bonus modeled? Average ap over fighttime? Then what's the supposed uptime? Mine is normally around 7-14%

Yes. See cell S95 on the Calculations tab. Uptime is in T102

Bees · 08/20/09, 1:23 PM

Shandara - I've updated my bug list for 91c/2

I see that you made the change to partial resists, but I wonder if anybody has any thoughts on that. My original bug posting:

Something that i don't think is a bug, but i've been wondering about is the partial resists formula. If we resist 10% of the damage 30% of the time and 20% of the damage 15% of the time, the average resist should be 6%, not 4.5% (10% * 30% + 20% * 15%, rather than 10% * 30% + 10% * 15%). I'm probably missing something obvious here, but a search found nothing but a couple of people asking the same question.

A couple of other issues still stand. Looks like the kill shot one is the only issue that will make much of an impact on the final DPS.

inyu · 08/20/09, 1:45 PM

checked all of the slots on the gear planner (they weren't)

My fault >< it was that. Now using a draenei presence I get +40dps for Archon Glaive and not minus DPS which seems to be ok, and also the belt of dragons is over the leather patern as i was suposed to be. Thank you.

Dch48 · 08/20/09, 1:48 PM

Originally Posted by Cranch

That is not a bug, it is a feature. The SS is letting you know you can improve your dps just by regemming.

But--it shows increased dps by regemming for items that don't even have sockets. On my sheet the gear planner shows the same dps increase in every slot, whether the items have sockets or not.

Shandara · 08/20/09, 1:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dch48

But--it shows increased dps by regemming for items that don't even have sockets. On my sheet the gear planner shows the same dps increase in every slot, whether the items have sockets or not.

It regems your entire gear set, not just the item replaced.

@Bees:
Regarding your Kill Shot Low HP gain bug, I'm not sure I understand. On my sheet these values are always 0 when using the rotation test. This section is only used by the frequency calculations.. and then only if Kill Shot isn't in the shot priority list. It simulates adding Kill Shot to your rotation when the boss hits 20%, while if you have Kill Shot in the rotation then it assumes you can use it 100% of the time.

EDIT#2:
Maybe an explanation is needed about the Gear Planner.

It works likes follows. For each item checked it does the following:
Pre-loop:
1) It saves your currently equipped set in memory
2) It determines a baseline DPS value. This is your dps without any item in that slot (also without enchants gems for that slot).
3) It restores your current set from memory

Loop:
1a) It equips an item.
1b) If the item was your original item, it uses the difference between your current TOTAL dps and the saved baseline value. It saves this and skips steps 2 and 3.
1c) If the item was the special 'Current item with Regem' it regems your entire set and saves the difference between the baseline DPS value and the new total DPS value. It then skips steps 2 and 3
2) Depending on your setting it fills it with the default gems for that socket OR it regems your entire set completely to (hopefully) optimum values.
3) It determines the difference between the baseline DPS and the DPS with this item and new gemming and saves this.
4) It restores your original set saved before the loop from memory.

The Gear Planner thus shows the following:
The yellow 'current item' line shows the dps your currently equipped item was worth compared to NOTHING in the slot.
The delta values above it are relative to that value, which is obvious by the fact that your current item is outlined in RED and at 0.00 delta.
The green 'Current Item with Regem' line is what your current item would be worth if you'd regem. This ONLY should show up if this is an actual DPS increase. If it does then that is your 'new' 0-point. Any item below it is a dps increase purely over your original 'sub-optimal gemmed' set, but a dps decrease compared to your current item WITH a regem. Any item above it is a dps increase with a regem.

So the Gear Planner shows you 2 things:
1) Whether you can gain dps purely by regemming
2) Which items are a dps upgrade over that even after regemming.

You should always press the 'regem' button after you equip an item the gear planner says is a dps upgrade, even if the green 'current item with regem' line is absent. If this actually leads to a dps decrease, report it here or PM because it means the regemmer is messing up.

Still from my own testing the regemmer isn't always 100% optimal, but it's within 1-2 dps of it.