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Old 11/25/08, 11:22 AM   #651
greenjello
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Rogue
 
Mal'Ganis
Big thanks to who are involved in the creation/maintenance of this spreadsheet.

Question about attack power vs. agility for BM hunters. Using Beast Tamer's Shoulderpads and 2 pc T7 bonus, my pet cat is responsible for well over 50% of my damage on most if not all boss fights. Given that AP now "scales" with Trueshot Aura in much the same way that Agility "scales" with Blessing of Kings, and seeing as how the only stat (aside from hit) that my pet benefits from is AP, would not AP be the superior gem/enchanting choice?

The spreadsheet SEEMS to suggest so: Using my gear and spec it displays AP as 0.943 per item budget and AGI as only 0.781. However, when going from all 20 AGI gems and AGI to gloves enchant to 40 AP gems and AP to gloves enchant; The result is nearly a 100 dps drop.

So I guess I have 2 questions: Firstly: why, if the spreadsheet's attribute budget calculator shows AP to be the superior stat, am I showing a loss in dps when gemming/enchanting for it? Secondly: which, then is in reality the superior stat for a BM hunter in entry level T7 raid gear, given that both Blessing of Kings and Trueshot Aura are typically present?

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Old 11/25/08, 11:26 AM   #652
KergeKacsa
Piston Honda
 
Troll Hunter
 
Ragnaros (EU)
On the Settings tab Gem Options cannot be changed, I think this is a bug.

Missing gear:
Grips of the Beast God
Jagged Ice Band

btw, great job

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Old 11/25/08, 12:02 PM   #653
Ebonleaf
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Stormrage
I've got a few more items for the sheet and a correction...

I got the [Drake-Mounted Crossbow] last night, but the sheet doesn't recognize it.

And for addition..

[Plunderer's Helmet]

[Cloak of Holy Extermination]

[Azure Ringmail Leggings]

Thanks again Shandara for all your hard work.

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Old 11/25/08, 12:23 PM   #654
Shandara
Great Tiger
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
I'm currently busy passing through Wowhead again and adding all epic/blue 71-80 items, so please hold reporting any missing ones until I finish and publish the next version.

EDIT:

Update:
- Custom rings with a socket will have the correct dropdown menu
- Corrected more spelling mistakes on items
- Socket bonuses now include Mp5 and Haste for all item categories, including custom gear
- Added nearly all level 71-80 epic/blue items
The extra blacksmith socket enchant is in the works, but I need to figure out how to pull that from Armory first before I add it.

Last edited by Shandara : 11/25/08 at 1:04 PM.


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Old 11/25/08, 1:27 PM   #655
legomyegolas
Von Kaiser
 
Human Death Knight
 
Malygos
Awesome. [Bjarngrim Family Signet] has a typo though (it's Bjarngrim, not Bjarngrin.) Also, the [Heartseeker Scope] doesn't seem to load right from armory.

ty so much for all the hard work!

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Old 11/25/08, 1:28 PM   #656
Shandara
Great Tiger
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by legomyegolas View Post
Awesome. [Bjarngrim Family Signet] has a typo though (it's Bjarngrim, not Bjarngrin.) Also, the [Heartseeker Scope] doesn't seem to load right from armory.

ty so much for all the hard work!
I need to know the tooltip texts for some of these enchants/scopes so I can scrape them correctly.


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Old 11/25/08, 1:43 PM   #657
legomyegolas
Von Kaiser
 
Human Death Knight
 
Malygos
Originally Posted by Shandara View Post
I need to know the tooltip texts for some of these enchants/scopes so I can scrape them correctly.
For the heartseeker it's "+40 Ranged Critical Strike"

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Old 11/25/08, 2:26 PM   #658
Cattiebrie
Von Kaiser
 
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Worgen Hunter
 
Baelgun
Only perused the last couple pages to see if this had been reported recently, but the Belt Buckle "enchant" that adds a socket to a Belt item does not seem to be supported.

Edit: Also thought I'd report that I'm also unable to load my information from the Armory. I get: "Run-time error '91': Object variable or With block variable not set". Debugging highlights this line:
sName = Node.Attributes.getNamedItem("name").Text
Using Office '07.

Edit 2: [Figurine - Emerald Boar] is just listing as "Emerald Boar" under the Trinket list, and no gems are showing up in the drop-down gem list for it.

Last edited by Cattiebrie : 11/25/08 at 2:44 PM.

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Old 11/25/08, 2:35 PM   #659
Decker
Piston Honda
 
Orc Hunter
 
Kargath
Originally Posted by KergeKacsa View Post
On the Settings tab Gem Options cannot be changed, I think this is a bug.

Missing gear:
Grips of the Beast God
Jagged Ice Band

btw, great job
Are you trying to change the protected cells? This is common. At the top ensure that "Use Defaults" is set to no, and then instead of trying to change the gems, you should be adjusting the adjacent cells (Light Yellow? Cells F15-F18).

That should fix the problem.

http://www.paradosi.net

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Old 11/25/08, 2:39 PM   #660
Dralmoo
Don Flamenco
 
Orc Hunter
 
Shadowmoon
Couple of minor problems:

* Master's Inscription of the Axe (Inscription Shoulder enchant) isn't supported via armory. The tooltip shows up as "+104 Attack power and +15 Crit rating".

* Kill Shot is never used (although this might be user error).

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Old 11/25/08, 2:47 PM   #661
Wraith40k
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Uther
Working as a MM hunter with the shot rotation tab- Serpent Sting shows no dps when coupled with chimera shot.

If you remove CS it shows Serpent sting in the rotation (and net dps for it). With CS it shows zero.

My shot rotations i tried were

Rapid fire
Serpent Sting
Chimera Shot
Steady Shot

As well as
SS-RF-CS-StSh
CS-SS-RF-StSh

What am i doing wrong?

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Old 11/25/08, 2:49 PM   #662
Har
Piston Honda
 
Draenei Hunter
 
Drenden
Originally Posted by Dralmoo View Post
Couple of minor problems:* Kill Shot is never used (although this might be user error).
Kill shot is used in the calculations page- that's why there's a section asking how long your boss fight is and how much combat time you spend in the sub 20% range.

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Old 11/25/08, 3:01 PM   #663
Dralmoo
Don Flamenco
 
Orc Hunter
 
Shadowmoon
For me, changing the "Use Kill Shot" option has no effect on DPS, and on the Shot Rotation tab, Usage of Kill Shot box, everything in that box is 0. I have "Boss Fight Length" at 8, "Time spent sub 20%" at 2, and "Use Kill Shot" at "Sub-20%". If there is something else I need to change, it's unclear.

It's not a very big deal because 1 or 2 kill shots is not going to make a signficant difference to PvE dps no matter how much damage they do.

Here's what the Shot Rotation area has:

Usage of Kill Shot	
Current Kill Shot frequency	0.00
Possible Kill Shot frequency	0.00
Current Steady Shot Frequency	1.80
New Steady Frequency	0.00
Old Kill Shot DPS	0.00
New Kill Shot DPS	0.00
Old Steady DPS	1400.74
New Steady DPS	0.00
Gain	0.00
% of time spent sub-20%	25.00%
DPS gained using Kill Shot	0.00

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Old 11/25/08, 3:11 PM   #664
Shandara
Great Tiger
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
The Kill Shot thing is a bug. It will be fixed next release.

A work-around is setting the Boss HP Percentage on the Settings tab to 15%.


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Old 11/25/08, 3:57 PM   #665
Cyberbob
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Blackrock
Is there a "how to" guide on the spreadsheet? It's pretty overwhelming for first time users.

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Old 11/25/08, 4:04 PM   #666
Har
Piston Honda
 
Draenei Hunter
 
Drenden
Originally Posted by Cyberbob View Post
Is there a "how to" guide on the spreadsheet? It's pretty overwhelming for first time users.
If not, I'd be willing to help write one- I just figured it out for the first time yesterday, so all my dumb questions I had to look up are still fresh in my mind.

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Old 11/25/08, 4:11 PM   #667
Tred
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Malygos
I don't know much about spreadsheets but is it possible to import gear info from one sheet to another or do you always have to manually change the sheet to your gear when downloading the next version? I've tried the Export to File and Import to File but they don't seem to do anything at all for me. Thank you for all the hard work on the sheet.

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Old 11/25/08, 4:15 PM   #668
Decker
Piston Honda
 
Orc Hunter
 
Kargath
Small list of bugs.

Items:

Not listed correctly as leather:

Hood of the Furtive Assassin
Helm of the Avenging Protector
Ryft's Deathgaze

I'd check more, but I think the items need a good once over again.

Talents:

Surefooted: Reduces the duration of movement impairing effects by 30%. As such should be highlighted to red. Purely cosmetic, but want to ensure that the talent isn't using its old information. (+hit).

I'll be looking it over further today at work. I do a lot of excel stuff, and I always love to help this document as much as I can as it has helped me significantly.

As an aside I'd really love to make a proposal to finalize items in this spreadsheet. I'm in favour of grandfathering old TBC items and only including WOTLK items. With this I'd love to see more definition between what we currently have. As it stands we don't really have a good outline of the items. My proposal is to have the following for item designations/filtering (for the gear planner).

Raiding:
Naxx 10
Naxx 25
Obsidian 10
Obsidian 25
Malygos 10
Malygos 25
Dungeon
Dungeon Heroic
Badge Items

Other:
Quest
PVP
Arena
Leather
Crafted BOE
Crafted BOP (Alchemy, Blacksmithing, Engineering, Jewelcrafting, Leatherworking)
World Drop
Reputation

Although it's 17 checkboxes for the gear planner website it gives the gear planner a lot more added value IMO.

Work is picking up so I'll end my post here and continue later.

Great work though.

http://www.paradosi.net

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Old 11/25/08, 5:50 PM   #669
Ebonleaf
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Stormrage
Does it matter where it comes from? An upgrade is an upgrade is an upgrade. We can check Wowhead for the why's and wherefor's. I personally like the selection we have now.

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Old 11/25/08, 6:03 PM   #670
Decker
Piston Honda
 
Orc Hunter
 
Kargath
Originally Posted by Ebonleaf View Post
Does it matter where it comes from? An upgrade is an upgrade is an upgrade. We can check Wowhead for the why's and wherefor's. I personally like the selection we have now.
It does matter. The reason is for preplanning. Even though I'll be the level 80 raider in the end game instance I'll just tick everything off. For the alts and people that are new to this I think we should be a lot more caring.

Sure they can use Lootrank.com or something, but why can't this item be the one stop shop for everything hunter related. I think we can work towards being a lot more inclusive than exclusive. We'll get a whole hell of a lot more people here if we do and more good comes from that then bad.

http://www.paradosi.net

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Old 11/25/08, 6:33 PM   #671
Ebonleaf
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Stormrage
Yea, I get the preplanning. I do that. I look for potential upgrades, find out where they drop, and compare them to the list i currently have. I plan and plot my gear as much as i can. I just didn't see the need for 17 different option on/off toggles. Either way is fine I'd think.

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Old 11/25/08, 8:31 PM   #672
Osse
King Hippo
 
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Orc Hunter
 
Stormscale (EU)
Perhaps not the best place to ask but does anyone know if [Item not found!] procs off serpent sting?

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Old 11/25/08, 8:35 PM   #673
Whitefyst
King Hippo
 
Orc Hunter
 
Draenor
I was missing around with haste in the latest version, and the Haste to Cap cell seems to be reporting lower. It seems to indicate that 401 haste is needed to be haste capped instead of the 523 for an MM build. This is the value that came out repeatably for me after hitting Calc Attributes and with adding the current haste rating from gear with this value. This was done with no haste buffs.

Is this an error? Or am I misunderstanding how that field works?

Thanks for all the hard work on this great spreadsheet!

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Old 11/25/08, 8:47 PM   #674
germanboy3383
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Stormscale
thank you very much!!!

Last edited by germanboy3383 : 11/26/08 at 1:12 AM.

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Old 11/25/08, 9:18 PM   #675
Handa
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Stormscale (EU)
done

Last edited by Handa : 11/26/08 at 1:49 AM.

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