WotLK DPS spreadsheet - Page 272

kabes · 01/16/10, 11:48 AM

Is the extra pet damage being added from the T10 2set bonus? I don't see it listed in the Damage Adjustments under pet calculations.

Also in the latest version the regemmer seems to want to use JC-only gems even if you don't have JC set as one of your professions. This downranks stuff in the gearplanner and shows stuff like Death's Choice heroic being worse than Death's Choice normal.

Electronic Punk · 01/16/10, 12:37 PM

Is the Tier 10 4 set currently modelled in any way?
Currently seeing a DPS loss if I go from 3 pieces of SancT10 (helm, shoulders chest) and 2 T9 (legs, gloves) if I put in the normal T10 gloves.

Obviously hard to test the proc at the moment as no one will have that many badges, but I would have thought there would be something

kabes · 01/16/10, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Electronic Punk

Is the Tier 10 4 set currently modelled in any way?
Currently seeing a DPS loss if I go from 3 pieces of SancT10 (helm, shoulders chest) and 2 T9 (legs, gloves) if I put in the normal T10 gloves.

Obviously hard to test the proc at the moment as no one will have that many badges, but I would have thought there would be something.

It's modeled in the calculations tab, it's just nowhere near as good as the T9 2 piece. It's only really worth abandoning the T9 2 piece for all 264 pieces and even then it's not as big of an upgrade as it should be because of the value of serpent sting crits.

baklava · 01/17/10, 9:17 AM

Bug Report: Taldron's Long Neglected Boots doesnt have socket bonus implemented. (sorry, this is fixed

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RoBoBOBR · 01/17/10, 11:23 AM

Well gear optimizer tells me that t10-4p beats t10+t9 even on 251 iLvl. Serpent crits are nice, but SS is only 8-9% of dmg dealt (for me, as MM), and t9-2p is worth 3.5-4% out of them. That's not groundbreaking.

Zilir · 01/17/10, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by sihyunie

I noticed something strange while I was playing with the spreadsheet today. I made a setup with 1400 ArP, which should be 100% ArP and the attribute table agrees that ArP doesn't increase dps. I went to buffs section and took away Sunder from debuff list and to my surprise, dps decreased. The same was true for Faerie Fire. Shouldn't these two have no effect when I'm at 100% ArP since they are calculated multiplicatively?

No, 1400 ArPen does not mean Sunder would have no effect. They are calculated on different tables - one on the target (debuffs) and one on you (buffs gear etc).

I still think the armour constant for ArPen formula is calculated from the wrong table on the spreadsheet however, thus giving us more value than what we should get due to the erroneous calculation.
The current calc for the armour constant goes for

(400+85*Level_Selected+4,5*85*(Level_Selected-59))

whereas the actual formula should be made from TargetLevel and not your own level (Level_Selected). Thus it currently counts the armour constant as for a lvl 80 mob and not lvl 83 for example which is what bosses would have for you at 80.

At least this is what I gather from the fact that GC said the armour constant would be 16635 for a lvl 83 mob when the formula was given and that my own calcs finally made sense as it always differed in armour from the spreadsheet by a small amount. I have at least never seen anything about it since then on the official forums nor in any patch notes that it had been changed.

marv · 01/17/10, 10:51 PM

The minimum of (Target Armor+C)/3 and Target Armor is the cap for how much armor will be ignored.
C=16635 for raid bosses and if they have 10643 armor;
*w/o sunder armor and faeri fire (10643+16635)/3=9093(<10643), the boss will have 10643-9093=1550 armor if you have 100% armor penetration w/o sunder armor and faeri fire on the boss
*with sunder+faeri fire boss armor=7983 then (7983+16635)/3=8206(>7983), the boss will have 7983-7983=0 armor if you have 100% armor penetration with sunder armor and faeri fire on the boss

That is what I understand from GC's post.
1550 armor is around 10ish% damage reduction, sunder armor should have a positive effect on your dps, there must be a mistake in the dps spreadsheet calculations.

Alex234 · 01/18/10, 12:33 AM

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Rhy · 01/18/10, 3:00 AM

Originally Posted by Rhy

Actually, you are on to something. I tried to spec out of Imp. Hawk completely and remove the glyph. The uptime remained 23.31%. After that I started adding points one by one with and without the glyph. The uptime changes from 23.31% to 23.32% and thats all.

Just bumping that. Can anyone confirm that the talent and glyph are currently working when T10 2pc uptime is being calculated? And if it isn't, is it even possible to implement that (since Imp. Hawk is a proc, not a passive bonus)?

Bikiniwax · 01/18/10, 9:56 AM

Heads up. Not sure if this will affect Hunters but Blizz has made changes to some of the procs on weapons and trinkets.

MMO-Champion BlueTracker - PPM Behavior Nerf?

We changed the way PPM procs work to make sure many of the weapons and trinkets did their expected performance in Icecrown instead of proc'ing too much for some specs or classes or forcing players into unusual behavior to try and fish for the procs. This change also affected some older mechanics in the game too such as the Berserking enchant. For the most part the intent is that these systems all proc off of attacks and they are balanced with that assumption.

At this time we're happy with the damage that characters are now doing after these changes, though we'll continue to monitor and adjust damage overall and that includes the proc-based items.

Seoman · 01/18/10, 10:46 AM

For those wondering about a slight change in DPS linked to AP, there was a stealth correction in 93f of the CD on the Revered/Exalted Ashen Band proc, which was increased from 45 to 60, as per here: http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t83763-p...ated_1_10_a/#2

KraxisSingular · 01/18/10, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Bikiniwax

Heads up. Not sure if this will affect Hunters but Blizz has made changes to some of the procs on weapons and trinkets.

MMO-Champion BlueTracker - PPM Behavior Nerf?

Likely fixed Greatness proccing off Mend Pet for instance (though I don't know with healers and Int/Spirit). Stuff like that. Unless people come here complaining they see a much lower uptime I will consider it a positive move.

alienangel · 01/18/10, 12:23 PM

The change primary affected things like Bryntroll and Tiny Abomination in a Jar proccing off poison applications, hidden SoV swings and whatever chicanery goes on when a paladin judges something. As I understand it, our autoattacks are still actually specials in spite of being coloured white, so it probably wouldn't change. Even if it did, our only similar mechanic would be chimera refreshing serpent sting every 9-10 seconds, which I'm not sure the spreadsheet was treating as a proc chance anyway?

As for greatness, it specifically says "When you heal or deal damage you have a chance to gain Greatness", so I wouldn't expect any change to that.

Aker · 01/18/10, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by KraxisSingular

Likely fixed Greatness proccing off Mend Pet for instance (though I don't know with healers and Int/Spirit). Stuff like that. Unless people come here complaining they see a much lower uptime I will consider it a positive move.

As of last night, Greatness was still proccing off Mend Pet.

Christov · 01/18/10, 1:42 PM

Just downloaded the updated spreadsheet and it's not so much a problem as something I'd like to see return... but clicking recalculate DPS on the Gear Planner sheet no longer shows a progress bar. This happening for anyone else?