WotLK DPS spreadsheet - Page 32

seuchenvogel · 10/31/08, 4:13 PM

Originally Posted by Shandara

If you take talented shots be sure to include them in the shot priority.

Also, remember it's priority from top to bottom (highest priority to lowest) so don't put Steady Shot as #1 or it won't fire any other shots at all.

Thats rights. But if you consider this point, the shot rotation which includes the Explosive Shot (before the Steady) than the shot rotation with Explosive Shot makes more dps than the Shot Rotation without the Explosive Shot (only Steady).
The same is as MM. Even if you do not fire a serpent sting, but having the Chimera Shot in the Shot Rotation (Chimera before the Steady) will noticable increase the dps.

greetings

Shandara · 10/31/08, 4:20 PM

Originally Posted by seuchenvogel

Thats rights. But if you consider this point, the shot rotation which includes the Explosive Shot (before the Steady) than the shot rotation with Explosive Shot makes more dps than the Shot Rotation without the Explosive Shot (only Steady).
The same is as MM. Even if you do not fire a serpent sting, but having the Chimera Shot in the Shot Rotation (Chimera before the Steady) will noticable increase the dps.

greetings

I'm not sure I understand what you want to say (or in your previous post).

Naturally, using Chimera and Explosive in the rotation will increase DPS. And the sheet reflects this.

seuchenvogel · 10/31/08, 5:35 PM

Hello,

OK, i will try it again. (Sorry if its not clear what I mean, English is not my native language).
I was using the sheet on tab "talents".
First I imported my char from arsenal.
Then, for testing i reset all talent points.
The sheet on tab talents shows the dps in the upper left corner.
If I set a talent point then instantly the dps got increased (if the talent is increasing the dps like the talent "Hunters vs. Wild").
But if I set a talent point in the talent "Explosive Shot" then the dps got NOT increased. I expected that the displayed dps gets as well increased if the talent "Explosive Shot" gots learned.

I hope I could make a bit clearer what I mean. Sorry again for my bad English!

Gearknight · 10/31/08, 5:39 PM

You have to add Explosive Shot to your shot rotation on the tab of the same name before its use will be reflected in the DPS calculation. Simply adding the talent point doesn't affect your DPS, just like it wouldn't in the game - you have to fire the shot for it to do DPS, and you have to tell the spreadsheet that you want to fire it for it to be included.

Littlehelper · 11/01/08, 6:25 AM

Originally Posted by Gearknight

You have to add Explosive Shot to your shot rotation on the tab of the same name before its use will be reflected in the DPS calculation. Simply adding the talent point doesn't affect your DPS, just like it wouldn't in the game - you have to fire the shot for it to do DPS, and you have to tell the spreadsheet that you want to fire it for it to be included.

My guess is that the problem is, that Explosive is already included in the rotation and he hopes Explosive won't be used unless you have the talent for it.(That's not the case at the moment. The spreadsheet does not check whether you may use those skills. Except for BW)
So if you want to test the DPS of the Explosive Shot Talent you first have to remove the Explosive Shot from the rotation and then add it again and compare those DPS-numbers.

Splaktar · 11/01/08, 10:02 PM

On the buffs tab, for the Hunter the scrolls seem to be broken. It defaults to Yes and 'V', but when you use the drop down it lets you select 'Agility', Int, Stam, but when you do it is not reflected to the right. They all stay at 0. Is this because scrolls no longer stack with certain buffs or is it just a bug in the spreadsheet?

Shandara · 11/02/08, 3:05 AM

Originally Posted by Splaktar

On the buffs tab, for the Hunter the scrolls seem to be broken. It defaults to Yes and 'V', but when you use the drop down it lets you select 'Agility', Int, Stam, but when you do it is not reflected to the right. They all stay at 0. Is this because scrolls no longer stack with certain buffs or is it just a bug in the spreadsheet?

Scrolls no longer stack with other stat-enhancing buffs.

samfisher · 11/02/08, 6:46 AM

Is this in the new Beta build? As far as I know on Live, I ca eat Agi food and Scroll up just fine, but somehow fully buffed, scrolls don't show up on my Buff bars. Is this already in live and just implimented in the spreadsheet or is it a new introduction in the beta build and the current bug I see is just a buff icon not showing? Have not tested if the Food and Scroll stat actually aded on each other (somehow I forgot to do that...)

Nakari · 11/02/08, 6:55 AM

Originally Posted by samfisher

Is this in the new Beta build? As far as I know on Live, I ca eat Agi food and Scroll up just fine, but somehow fully buffed, scrolls don't show up on my Buff bars. Is this already in live and just implimented in the spreadsheet or is it a new introduction in the beta build and the current bug I see is just a buff icon not showing? Have not tested if the Food and Scroll stat actually aded on each other (somehow I forgot to do that...)

Food and scrolls do stack, but scrolls don't stack with buffs like Power Word: Fortitude or Arcane Intellect, or in case of Scrolls of Strength and Agility, with Strength of Earth Totem. As soon as a Shaman places the totem, the scroll buffs will vanish.

samfisher · 11/02/08, 8:55 AM

Hmm? I think I still get my Food buff, I just never get my Scroll buff. Will check again next raid.

Tynobu · 11/02/08, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by samfisher

Hmm? I think I still get my Food buff, I just never get my Scroll buff. Will check again next raid.

Yeah, your Food buff will stack with those other buffs from players. It's just your scroll buff that goes away.

Food and Scrolls stack
Food and other player buffs stack.

Scrolls and other player buffs do not stack.

samfisher · 11/03/08, 1:16 AM

Ah ok thanks for the clarification.

Ravenfire · 11/03/08, 12:50 PM

Shandara, any chance you could add Darkmoon Card: Greatness to the sheet? The comments seem to have reasonable information on its internal cooldown though the spell details show a 35% chance to proc, instead of the 100% the comments hint at.

Shandara · 11/04/08, 3:45 AM

Update:

- Owl's Focus and Feeding Frenzy now only work for Cunning pets
- Added Darkmoon: Greatness card (+agi version)
- Glyph of TSA no longer increases the AP bonus

EDIT:

- Implemented Gorilla Thunderstomp
- fixed some focus costs of pet abilities and damage ranges according to Petopia
- Implemented Bear Swipe 
- Implemented Poison Spit
- Implemented Ravage
- Implemented Demoralizing Screech

Tazlin · 11/04/08, 1:01 PM

Are the changes with todays patch already in the spreadsheet? Like for barrage and aimed shot and the change to thunderstomp?