Rabid does not stack with Prowl because Prowl will break (the stealth) as soon as the pet casts Rabid. Same with Charge.

Ah - ok.

Rabid, Charge and Prowl are all mutually exclusive, then?

And since Rabid is the best of the bunch, it's the one that models correctly?

If that's true, that answers #1 - why Charge isn't supported, it pales in comparison to Rabid - and #3 - Rabid and Prowl don't stack, and using Prowl for the first attack and then popping Rabid doesn't add enough of anything to be worth modeling, correct?

Any thoughts on CotW? I'd have thought there would be a place to select it, or that adding/removing the talent point would alter DPS, but not neither.

I wouldn't say they are all mutually exclusive, because as far as I know Rabid and Charge can be used together. They just both break Prowl. I think the simpler explanation as to why neither charge nor Prowl has been modeled is that they are both (for the most part) only usable once a fight. Charge actually can (and is) used multiple times on some encounters but the spreadsheet doesn't assume that you start at charge range and to be fair it doesn't model the dps impact of any other movement effects, either.

That last part raises another issue with modeling prowl. Not only would you have to include the bonus to the first attack, but you'd have to discount that by the additional time it takes for the pet to reach the target because it is moving more slowly with prowl active. If you lose a second or two of dps uptime because your pet took longer to engage the target, the lost damage could swallow the added benefit. All in all, it's not worth putting in the time to figure it out, particularly since it's not a "rotation" ability like Rabid.

So even if Rabid works with Charge, Charge's range makes it an alternative to Prowl, for a single use at the beginning of the fight with a minor impact on Raid-Boss DPS, and therefore not model worthy, I guess. Though I'd imagine that if a Boss moved around a fair amount, or had a few different phases, a macro to use Charge when possible might get in a few uses per fight, no?

Good point about Prowl needing to model that time lost as well, possibly mitigated by Boar's Speed.

The thing with Prowl is that it IS sort of modeled, which is misleading - it would be almost better if it couldn't be selected on the Ability list, than to have it there and see it nerf DPS so unintuitively. Am I the only one that saw Prowl and said "Sure - why NOT put it in the Ability rotation?" not realizing that the model would include it in the GCD every time it was available (!) nerfing Claw?

Shandara - if we are right that Prowl is a little bit broken in the spreadsheet, can it be removed/fixed to be a one-off?

And am I missing something about CotW?

I haven't found Charge to warrant a macro (there are enough abilities that do already). It's one of the better candidates for autocast, although a macro to make sure that autocast is turned on might be useful, and I may have a line like that in my attack macro. As for prowl, I can't speak for anyone else, but I never thought to put it in the rotation because it has never worked effectively since the 3.0 patch. My cat has always had either charge or rabid (usually both), and I turned prowl off once I saw that it would always break it. Disabling it might be a good idea, but trying to model it would be a waste in my opinion.

I don't think you're missing anything about CotW. It doesn't seem to be modeled, even though the ability isn't in red.

Shandara, GC has posted 3.0.8 Scorpid/Cat/Spirit Beast numbers: World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Exotic Pet damage and PTR

It would be awesome if those could be implemented into the spreadsheet to see how things will be affected.

I've got a question concerning the Gear Planner. I'm currently wearing the Heroe's Crypstalker Chest, and according to the gear planner, my newly looted Cult's Chestguard is 9 dps better, but when I wear it and look at the overview, I lose roughly 40 dps. My question is, does the gearplanner account for setbonuses, gems etc? If so, how can it show the Cult's chestguard as a 9 dps better item?



edit: I'm hit capped with talents (maybe that's why it shows better dps since talents won't give my pet the extra hit, but the chest will?)

Hi, I just downloaded the dps spreadsheet, but I can't use all the buttons like "Read from Armory", "Reset", "Save profile" and so on. It saids it's protected so read only. I try to unprotect it, but it ask a password that I don't have. Any suggestion can help my situation? Thanks

Paperdoll stats are not a good indication of actual DPS. Also, make sure you resort the spreadsheet every time you change gear, buffs, etc.

Thanks Shandara. Could placeholder skills possibly be noted as such?

Is Call of the Wild implementable - not having the unique issues or diminishing returns of Prowl or Charge?

Try closing the spreadsheet, right clicking on the file and select properties. At the bottom where it says security hit unblock if the button is there. This solved the issue for me using Window XP, ymmv.

It's just that when I removed it from the Talents, DPS didn't change at all.

I must be missing something, right?

[Jormungar Hide Legguards] do not import correctly from the Armory. It looks like there's an extra space between the first and second word in the spreadsheet listing. (Testcase: here.)

Quick question - I see that the gear tab does take into account the 2 set bonus (not the 4) but does it also take into account enchants, gems, etc?

Eg it might say x is better than y, but fully enchanted and gemmed properly y is better than x. Similarly it might say two one-handed weapons are worse than a two-hander, but as we know double one-hand enchants are stronger than a single two-hand.

Enchants, no, because enchants will be the same regardless of the item. Gems, yes, "but". The gems it assumes are defined on the settings page. If you want it to assume different ones, alter it there.

The feet enchant "Greater Assault" should give 32 AP, not 35 (this is also preventing it from importing correctly).

Makes sense on the enchants for other items, but weapons not so much, since 2x 65 AP is obviously better than 1x 110. Not too big a deal now, but DW might catch up in later content.

Update:
I'm still working on some improvements to the rotation system (auto-fill of abilities and things), but I figured the PTR changes were more interesting for now.

Assumptions made towards Spirit Strike, Rake and Scorpid Poison:
- Both Rake and Spirit Strike can only crit on the initial hit
- All 'ticks' get the full listed coefficient and benefit individually from all +% damage modifiers/debuffs
- Scorpid Poison will be broken with regards to longevity (since it just ticks every 2 seconds Longevity doesn't make it do more damage).
- All 3 scale from pet AP (I guess we will need to test it once it goes on the PTR whether the confusing 'spellpower' figure on the pet tab is still used).

I'm unable to download the new version linked on the first post, it keeps saying it's corrupt. Anyone else having this problem?

It worked for me when I just downloaded it. To be sure I've reuploaded the same version again.

Thanks.

It's working fine now thank you

I notice that with the new figures for cat and scorpid that the Devilsaur seems to be coming out just above cat, is that what others are finding with the spreadsheet?

My raid buffed pet numbers using the new version:

Cat: 2102.54
Spirit Beast: 2136.40
Raptor: 2214.54
Devilsaur: 2242.52

Scorpids fall way below, of course. Given the frequency / infrequency of Monstrous Bite stacks falling and Savage Rend being worthwhile or useless, looks like it's about a dead even heat with those four pets.