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Old 01/19/09, 7:00 AM   #1301
Chul
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Rabid uptime

I've always been sceptical of Rabids uptime based on what I've seen on on test dummies so I went and did some testing.

Firstly, do special attacks trigger Rabid Power (the stacking buff)?

The only clear cut way was to use a ranged special attack so the only attack that hit a target was the special attack. The result: Nothing. Using lava breath only on the target with Rabid up, I got no Rabud Power buff.

Second, is Rabid Power really a 50% chance?

For each Rabid buff duration, I counted the number of hits during the buff and what stack it got to. I then added the total number of hits and compared it to the total number of Rabid Power triggers. The result: Around 35% chance to trigger Rabid Power.

Now granted I only did ~350 hits, but the results look interesting. Can anyone else check this as this would impact the spreadsheet calculations.

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Old 01/19/09, 9:37 AM   #1302
Whitemane
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Would it be possible to unlock the "Default gems" section? It's a great option, but it's kinda stupid that it's locked since at least for me it's set to entirely wrong gems.
 
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Old 01/19/09, 10:04 AM   #1303
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Originally Posted by Whitemane View Post
Would it be possible to unlock the "Default gems" section? It's a great option, but it's kinda stupid that it's locked since at least for me it's set to entirely wrong gems.
You can edit the column next to it and if you set the switch on top of that worksheet to not use defaults, then it should use any custom entered values in the lighter colored column.
 
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Old 01/19/09, 10:05 AM   #1304
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Originally Posted by Whitemane View Post
Would it be possible to unlock the "Default gems" section? It's a great option, but it's kinda stupid that it's locked since at least for me it's set to entirely wrong gems.
E15 E16 E17 and E18 are locked.
But F15 F16 F17 and F18 however are not.
The F column is actually labelled "Custom values", and, when filled in, values of F cells "overwrite" the values from the E column.
 
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Old 01/19/09, 10:55 AM   #1305
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I didn't even notice the custom value column, fuck - sorry and thanks
 
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Old 01/19/09, 11:39 AM   #1306
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Originally Posted by Chul View Post
Second, is Rabid Power really a 50% chance?
The proc rate on Rabid is pulled directly from the spell data on Wowhead: Rabid

As you can see, in the "Effect" section it says the proc chance for the aura is 50%.
 
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Old 01/19/09, 3:36 PM   #1307
Spl4sh3r
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I just got a question about how you calculate the DPS you gain from items. According to the spreadsheet I would gain 41.4 DPS if I get Valorous Cryptstalker Handguards, but comparing the stats I only gain 26 AP and 5 Intellect for the loss of 13 Agility. For the info I got Grotesque Handgrips now.
 
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Old 01/19/09, 4:00 PM   #1308
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Originally Posted by Spl4sh3r View Post
I just got a question about how you calculate the DPS you gain from items. According to the spreadsheet I would gain 41.4 DPS if I get Valorous Cryptstalker Handguards, but comparing the stats I only gain 26 AP and 5 Intellect for the loss of 13 Agility. For the info I got Grotesque Handgrips now.
You're currently 1/5 T7. The 2 piece bonus is what's giving you the 40-50 dps increase. If you already had 2/5 T7 the grotesque handgrips would be better (as the gear planner would reflect).
 
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Old 01/19/09, 5:37 PM   #1309
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There appears to still be an issue with calculating hit rating past 100%. I was doing some enchant and gem swaps but I noticed that in my setup if I were to switch [Arcanum of Ferocity] with [Arcanum of Torment] and replace the [Wicked Monarch Topaz] with a [Rigid Autumn's Glow] the dps is lower using Torment and Rigid vs Ferocity and Wicked even though there's a 12 crit increase by using the former.
 
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Old 01/19/09, 6:00 PM   #1310
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Originally Posted by TrevvyTrev View Post
The proc rate on Rabid is pulled directly from the spell data on Wowhead: Rabid

As you can see, in the "Effect" section it says the proc chance for the aura is 50%.
The proc rate may indeed by 50%, but something else may prevent a proc from occuring, or something else that limits how often it can proc. It could also be bugged in numerous other ways hence why I asked if people saw the same results I did, especially with regards to specials triggering it.

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Old 01/19/09, 6:16 PM   #1311
Sylvand
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Originally Posted by Mordecai View Post
There appears to still be an issue with calculating hit rating past 100%. I was doing some enchant and gem swaps but I noticed that in my setup if I were to switch [Arcanum of Ferocity] with [Arcanum of Torment] and replace the [Wicked Monarch Topaz] with a [Rigid Autumn's Glow] the dps is lower using Torment and Rigid vs Ferocity and Wicked even though there's a 12 crit increase by using the former.
This is a good catch but I think it is misdiagnosed. From what I can tell this can be tracked to a bug with Arcanum of Ferocity. It looks like it's adding a static haste component (compare Calculations!H22 with and without it) and this is boosting your auto shot dps (you're already capped for steady shot).

I think this haste should be attributed to the Arcanum of Rapidity, but it's still incorrect. Wowhead currently says it's 10 haste rating, whereas this spreadsheet seems to use 1% static haste.
 
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Old 01/19/09, 7:25 PM   #1312
Whitemane
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Originally Posted by Sylvand View Post
You're currently 1/5 T7. The 2 piece bonus is what's giving you the 40-50 dps increase. If you already had 2/5 T7 the grotesque handgrips would be better (as the gear planner would reflect).
Item against item though, I still think the T7.25 gloves are better than Grotesque - They are in my spreadsheet and have been for as long as I can remember. The 2p bonus really does bump those tiered pieces up though.
 
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Old 01/19/09, 8:12 PM   #1313
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It would be nice if when importing from the armoury, it also added the gathering skill bonus as I always forget to add it. I also believe that it should be saved in the profile. Same with target selection.

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Old 01/19/09, 9:41 PM   #1314
Sylvand
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Originally Posted by Whitemane View Post
Item against item though, I still think the T7.25 gloves are better than Grotesque - They are in my spreadsheet and have been for as long as I can remember. The 2p bonus really does bump those tiered pieces up though.
This is a little outside the scope of this thread, but yes I generally recommend that folks hang onto their epics, for at least one tier's worth of content, and especially for pieces of equal item level. There are often pieces that are big upgrades, but only if you are flexible with the other gear slots you have (e.g. switching out Leggings of Failed Escape and Valorous Leggings).
 
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Old 01/19/09, 11:01 PM   #1315
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Originally Posted by Chul View Post
The proc rate may indeed by 50%, but something else may prevent a proc from occuring, or something else that limits how often it can proc. It could also be bugged in numerous other ways hence why I asked if people saw the same results I did, especially with regards to specials triggering it.
I'll do some testing myself when I get the chance, but my initial thought is that it is only a 50% on successful attacks, and pets are not expertise capped. That's probably not enough to cause a 15% difference in uptime but it would make some difference.
 
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Old 01/20/09, 1:28 AM   #1316
Nakari
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It's pretty minor, bould could you add Arcane Torrent for Blood Elves? Should be pretty easy to implement, it restores 6% of max mana on a 2 minute cooldown, and isn't on the GCD.
 
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Old 01/20/09, 3:46 AM   #1317
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Originally Posted by Esoth View Post
I'll do some testing myself when I get the chance, but my initial thought is that it is only a 50% on successful attacks, and pets are not expertise capped. That's probably not enough to cause a 15% difference in uptime but it would make some difference.
I am fighting the lvl 60 dummies and got no misses, parries or dodges.

I did another round using a different pet (level 80 cat as opposed to lvl 75 core hound in the earlier test) and got 33% proc rate. Most bizzarre.

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Old 01/20/09, 9:28 AM   #1318
Neruse
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Originally Posted by Sylvand View Post
This is a good catch but I think it is misdiagnosed. From what I can tell this can be tracked to a bug with Arcanum of Ferocity. It looks like it's adding a static haste component (compare Calculations!H22 with and without it) and this is boosting your auto shot dps (you're already capped for steady shot).

I think this haste should be attributed to the Arcanum of Rapidity, but it's still incorrect. Wowhead currently says it's 10 haste rating, whereas this spreadsheet seems to use 1% static haste.
I second this. Just over the hit cap with Torment, but when I switch to Arcanum of Ferocity the dps doesn't even drop. Also, steadyshot cooldown on the Shot Rotation tab drops to 1.43s from 1.45s when I do the switch.

Edit: I'm getting inconsistent behavior. Maybe it's another buff that's interacting with it?
 
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Old 01/20/09, 10:46 AM   #1319
SDKyRoN
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Blacksmith bug ?

Apologies if it's the wrong place to post a possible bug report about the spreadsheet.

I'm Blacksmith and thus can put a socket in my bracers but apparently the spreadsheet doesn't see it from the armory and doesn't let me add a socket manually. I'm using Slime Stream Bands and i guess the spreadsheet doesn't let me add a second socket as there's already one in.
 
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Old 01/20/09, 11:09 AM   #1320
Rezdan
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Originally Posted by SDKyRoN View Post
Apologies if it's the wrong place to post a possible bug report about the spreadsheet.

I'm Blacksmith and thus can put a socket in my bracers but apparently the spreadsheet doesn't see it from the armory and doesn't let me add a socket manually. I'm using Slime Stream Bands and i guess the spreadsheet doesn't let me add a second socket as there's already one in.
As has been mentioned, the solution/simulation of the additional socket is to manually put the value of the Gem you have in the socket in the Hand Adjust row.

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Old 01/20/09, 11:50 AM   #1321
Iru
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As the patch is out today, can anyone confirm whether the spreadsheet has the final numbers for Explosive shot damage? GC suggested a couple of times that Blizzard were considering numbers that they had not pushed to the PTR, and the final value for this shot will decide whether I go Marks or SV so it's kind of important.
 
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Old 01/20/09, 1:32 PM   #1322
SDKyRoN
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Originally Posted by Rezdan View Post
As has been mentioned, the solution/simulation of the additional socket is to manually put the value of the Gem you have in the socket in the Hand Adjust row.
Already doing that, but it isn't a solution, is it.
 
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Old 01/20/09, 1:40 PM   #1323
DreamScaper
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is there a place to download previous versions? Current version removed TBC gear, and my hunter is staying 70
 
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Old 01/20/09, 2:03 PM   #1324
Iru
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First page has the pre-nerf spreadsheet on it. You could use that but why would you care if you're not levelling your hunter?
 
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Old 01/20/09, 2:09 PM   #1325
DreamScaper
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Yeah i have 78e. i havent downloaded a version since, came to get one today and found 82.

I still enjoy playing my hunter. Granted i dont need to do top dps in anything anymore, but i still use the spreadsheet to maximize gear...even though the onlything i really do is solo BC instances and baron runs.
 
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