WotLK DPS spreadsheet - Page 60

Hawk · 12/09/08, 6:38 AM

Been using the spreadsheet for awhile and just like to say thanks for all the work you have done on it. I have not had any issues with the sheet until today when I saw my hit at 277 but my hit chance vs lvl 83 mob was 100%.Now as you can see if you click armory link I dont have focused aim in talents or any buffs to boost hit currently on the sheet either, so my question is has the hit cap without FA changed? or is it a spreadsheet bug?

Hawk

Whitemane · 12/09/08, 7:28 AM

Originally Posted by Hawk

Been using the spreadsheet for awhile and just like to say thanks for all the work you have done on it. I have not had any issues with the sheet until today when I saw my hit at 277 but my hit chance vs lvl 83 mob was 100%.Now as you can see if you click armory link I dont have focused aim in talents or any buffs to boost hit currently on the sheet either, so my question is has the hit cap without FA changed? or is it a spreadsheet bug?

Hawk

Maybe you should read Hit rating and also try reading this thread

turbo_012 · 12/09/08, 2:16 PM

Originally Posted by Shandara

I'm not sure what your problem is with Hawk and Dragonhawk.

Aspect of the Hawk is rank 1-8 and ends at level 68 with 155 AP.
Aspect of the Dragonhawk is rank 1-2 at level 74-80 with 230 and 300 AP.

You can select rank 9-10 Hawk (from before the addition of Dragonhawk) in the sheet but if you do that's definitely 'user error'. Both hawk and dragonhawk use the same table of spell values on the "Spell Values" tab. This was the easiests way to incorporate Dragonhawk into the sheet since it is purely a cosmetic name change and none of the effects actually change.

I wasn't aware that there was a rank 9-10 for hawk, I guess it was only from beta. So When I change from hawk to dragonhawk I assumed it would go from hawk rank 8 to dragonhawk rank 2 because those are the skills I have. That's what I was confused about. If the hawk rank 9-10 were outdated why keep them?

Shandara · 12/09/08, 2:18 PM

Originally Posted by turbo_012

I wasn't aware that there was a rank 9-10 for hawk, I guess it was only from beta. So When I change from hawk to dragonhawk I assumed it would go from hawk rank 8 to dragonhawk rank 2 because those are the skills I have. That's what I was confused about. If the hawk rank 9-10 were outdated why keep them?

Because it saved me the hassle of changing any calculations. Selecting Dragonhawk uses rank 9-10 Hawk and is just a cosmetic change.

Ebonleaf · 12/09/08, 3:05 PM

Get ready to change some calculations. (refering to GC's post today)

turbo_012 · 12/09/08, 3:11 PM

I did some more calculations to help out.

This is for orc hunter at 80

I had mining rank5 +300 hp so I made sure I subtracted that.

base hp is 7324 as you know for each stat it is 10 hp except for the first 20 which are 1 hp each.

base armor is 356

base mana is 5046 and as you know for each stat it is 15 mana excpet for the first 20 which are 1 mana each.

base attack power is 160 and it seems from the stat it ignores 10 agi and after that 1 agi is 1 attack power.

If there's any differences with other players please feel free to correct them.

Shandara · 12/09/08, 6:25 PM

Important: This release includes the upcoming nerfs to various abilities, use the previous version if you don't want them.

Update:

- Aspect of the Beast now double-dips
- Implemented -4,8% crit depression for level 83 targets as per Vulajins testing (both hunter and pet). Also changed target dodge for pets to 6,5% for level 80 pet vs 83 boss)
- Saving a profile now stores the used buffs for that profile as well (this breaks the importing of gear/settings, but not saved buff profiles/talent specs)
- fixed socket on Grotesque Handgrips
- Readiness now also resets Kill Command
- Implemented hand enchant 'Hyperspeed Accelerators'
- Heroism is now averaged over a 5minute duration, setting to turn it off or 'once per fight' on Settings tab. Reduces both hunter and cast speed
- Steady Shot scaling now 10% Ap
- Readiness no longer affects BW
- Kill Shot CD now 15 seconds
- Kindred Spirits now 3/6/9/12/15% pet damage
- Serpent's Swiftness now 2/4/6/8/10% pet speed increase

Elendril · 12/09/08, 6:47 PM

Err - Heroism does not impact hunter GCD - is there some change that causes this that I'm missing somewhere?

Shandara · 12/09/08, 6:54 PM

Originally Posted by Elendril

Err - Heroism does not impact hunter GCD - is there some change that causes this that I'm missing somewhere?

No, it's just late. I meant casting speed.

Elendril · 12/09/08, 7:15 PM

Is there a way other than using the custom gear sheet to input values and calculate results? Basically what I'm interested in is simulating my damage output with current gear pre-nerf and post-nerf as well as extrapolating what my dps would be pre-nerf with, say, 8000 AP and 45% crit and then comparing it to post-nerf dps to get an idea of the impact of these changes on hunter scaling

Burakan · 12/09/08, 7:33 PM

Could you please post the 79 version again. It's a little early to jump the gun on the nerfs imo.

LarsVegas · 12/09/08, 8:28 PM

After a quick test with the new version of the spreeadsheet it resulted in a loss of around 65 dps. I exptected much more. Now the main question is the cat nerf

turbo_012 · 12/10/08, 4:12 AM

I got a whisper in game about bloodelf stats so here it is...

Credit goes to "Cianianie"
Bloodelf 80
mining lvl: rank 6 (+500 hp)

His/her stats were
strength 71
agility 183
stamina 126
intellect 94
spirit 96
armor 366

Notes from the user:
as of now the spreadsheet lists 30 less agi and 21 less intellect
stamina/strength/spirit was ignored since they are not dps related.

Shandara · 12/10/08, 4:36 AM

The first page now has a link to the previous version (v79a).

Zwaineroth · 12/10/08, 10:51 AM

A quick bug report: In v80, my bow (Arrowsong) doesn't seem to register at all in the gear planner; it worked fine in v79a.

Also a quick feature request: A location in the gear planner for comparing two-handers with two one-handers, including one-hander enchants versus two-hander enchants, as enchants is where one-handers seem to make the most gain on two-handers.

Anecdotally, with the nerfs factored into the new sheet, my straw-man DPS went down from 6100 to 5500 with a Scorpid, and 5600 to 5200 with a Cat. Given that I've only been able to hit 5500 with a Scorpid on Patch, I'd say I'll be knocked down to 4800-5000 after the nerfs. These results are OK (a little low given my gear and in comparison to Mages/Locks I raid with), but the scaling with gear in the future seems problematic.

Thanks so much for working on this Shandara, it's an invaluable resource for all of us and your hard work is very appreciated.