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Old 12/11/08, 4:49 PM   #916
KraxisSingular
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Blood Elf Hunter
 
Runetotem (EU)
I noticed the same, then I saw that the specs weren't the same, the buffs weren't either and even the pets weren't.

When I got everything down to the same, I saw a DPS loss of around 10%.

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Old 12/11/08, 5:47 PM   #917
Aern
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Orc Hunter
 
Mal'Ganis
I've got same buffs and spec, and still seeing a dps increase, don't really understand it.

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Old 12/11/08, 5:58 PM   #918
Elrrond
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Silver Hand
Thank you Shandara and everyone else for the great spreadsheet. I know I'll grow into all it's intricacies in time! I noted two items I think are missing from the Gear calculator. 1) Borean Armor Kit (not the heavy) is missing from available enchants for hand slot. 2) The Shattred Hand head enchancement (18 Sta, 20 Resilience) is also not listed.

Thanks again!

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Old 12/11/08, 6:00 PM   #919
Thelastdeadmouse
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Tauren Hunter
 
Hydraxis
I fully expect that this will take a very low priority, but it'd be great if you added three things that'd be a great asset to us crazy pet tanking hunters: Pet HP, armor, and TPS. Stamina and armor both use fairly straight forward formulas which can be found at Petopia or Bigredrhino.wordpress and I believe that most pets TPS would just be their DPS plus Growl. Gorillas' Thunderstomp generates threat at 2.5 times its damage IIRC, and I know the Screech ability causes a slight amount of AoE threat also.

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Old 12/11/08, 6:02 PM   #920
Dch48
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Draka
V80 is taking the proposed nerfs coming in the next patch into account and should definitely result in lower dps numbers than 79a. My dps on a boss is showing a loss of 204 and 140 on Lvl80 mobs. I still think the crit adjustment that was made is excessive, however. I also run the sheet with no buffs applied.

I am specced 53-18-0 with points in careful aim. My shot rotation has always been Serpent,Arcane,Steady,Kill. With the proposed nerf to steady and the fact that I use the steady shot glyph, I think my rotation will be even more suitable after the nerfs. My character's name is Danielfboone and he can be found killing and skinning stuff on the Draka-US Realm.

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Old 12/11/08, 6:07 PM   #921
Shandara
Great Tiger
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Iru View Post
Shandara, while doing some modelling of the upcoming changes (see here) I have found a weird change between version 79a and version 80.

Using identical gear, racial, talents and buffs, the version 80 spreadsheet produced a decrease of 4.2% crit (which I can understand from the lethal shots thread) and 120 AP, which I cannot explain. Are you calculating AP differently somehow now?
I've noticed the AP decrease as well. Part of it is due to lower crit rates meaning lower proc rates on some stuff (like the Mirror of Truth), but 120 AP is quite a bit.

@Discomonger: Good catch. The IAotH calculations are one of the few 'original' parts from the Cheeky's sheet and they are from way way back. I hadn't really touched them since the math involved is slightly more complicated than my expertise goes.


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Old 12/11/08, 6:34 PM   #922
KraxisSingular
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Blood Elf Hunter
 
Runetotem (EU)
Originally Posted by Shandara View Post
I've noticed the AP decrease as well. Part of it is due to lower crit rates meaning lower proc rates on some stuff (like the Mirror of Truth), but 120 AP is quite a bit.
As long as it is only counted for Autos, specials still get the 'correct' crit.

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Old 12/11/08, 7:12 PM   #923
orinaccio
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Proudmoore
Originally Posted by Shandara View Post
I've tried your Armory profile and it loads fine.

The only other reason I can imagine why your bow isn't showing up on the Gear Planner is because the v80 has 25-man loot filtered out currently (just tick the box on the Gear Planner and resort).
Thanks for maintaining this spreadsheet, Shandara. Great work, and glad to see this incredible resource continue in this expansion.

I use a Mac as well and as noted earlier, the macros are pretty much disabled in our Office version (thanks Microsoft), so there is no means of interacting with buttons or checkboxes. This wasn't an issue before but is becoming an issue now that we are doing 25man raids, I am unable to click on the 25-man loon checkboxes so that the 25man loot are no longer filtered out, and access the 25man loot.

Would it be too much trouble to leave on all the loot boxes as default?

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Old 12/12/08, 12:47 AM   #924
Ketari
Piston Honda
 
Blood Elf Priest
 
Alonsus (EU)
Originally Posted by Aern View Post
I've got same buffs and spec, and still seeing a dps increase, don't really understand it.
If you haven't allready, on the overview page hit the Calcattributes button.

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Old 12/12/08, 1:56 AM   #925
flimflam
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Orc Hunter
 
Mug'thol
A weird thing i just noticed while checking belts.

Default 80 raid buffs with all my regular gear and no belt equiped the gear planner says:
Vereesa's Silver Chain Belt: 132.05
Sovereign's Belt: 119.95

When i equip those items and add a belt buckle i get this dps:
Vereesa's Silver Chain Belt: 4588.18
Sovereign's Belt: 4590.55

Sovereign's Belt is lower in gear planner but gives a higher DPS. Am i using the gear planner wrong? This is after calculating atrributes.

Last edited by flimflam : 12/12/08 at 2:18 AM.

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Old 12/12/08, 4:05 AM   #926
Iru
Don Flamenco
 
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Draenei Hunter
 
Muradin
Originally Posted by Shandara View Post
I've noticed the AP decrease as well. Part of it is due to lower crit rates meaning lower proc rates on some stuff (like the Mirror of Truth), but 120 AP is quite a bit.
In the particular example I'm referring to the gear list is as follows:
  • Betrayer of Humanity - Massacre (Two Hand)
  • Blue Aspect Helm - Arcanum of Torment - Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 Agi) - Glinting Monarch Topaz (8 Agi, 8 Hit)
  • Favor of the Dragon Queen - Vivid Forest Emerald (8 Hit, 12 Sta)
  • Valorous Cryptstalker Spaulders - Master's Inscription of the Axe - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
  • Drape of the Deadly Foe
  • Chestguard of Flagrant Prowess - Powerful Stats - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Vivid Forest Emerald (8 Hit, 12 Sta)
  • Slime Stream Bands - Fur Lining - Attack Power - Vivid Eye of Zul (10 Hit, 15 Sta)
  • Frosted Adroit Handguards - Crusher
  • Depraved Linked Belt - Eternal Belt Buckle - Perfect Bright Bloodstone (28 AP)
  • Leggings of the Honored
  • Icescale Leg Armor - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Vivid Eye of Zul (10 Hit, 15 Sta)
  • Boots of the Renewed Flight (Greater Assault)
  • Surge Needle Ring
  • Ring of Invincibility
  • Fury of the Five Flights
  • Darkmoon Card: Greatness
  • Envoy of Mortality (Heartseeker Scope)

Nothing in that least is at all sensitive to proc rates (or should be), so that doesn't seem like a viable explanation.

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Old 12/12/08, 9:01 AM   #927
Jark
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Shadowsong (EU)
OpenOffice

Any news on an OpenOffice version for those of us who can't/won't afford to pay Micro$oft's ridiculous prices?

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Old 12/12/08, 1:21 PM   #928
Zeuxis
Von Kaiser
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Malygos
Originally Posted by flimflam View Post
A weird thing i just noticed while checking belts.

Default 80 raid buffs with all my regular gear and no belt equiped the gear planner says:
Vereesa's Silver Chain Belt: 132.05
Sovereign's Belt: 119.95

When i equip those items and add a belt buckle i get this dps:
Vereesa's Silver Chain Belt: 4588.18
Sovereign's Belt: 4590.55

Sovereign's Belt is lower in gear planner but gives a higher DPS. Am i using the gear planner wrong? This is after calculating atrributes.
I believe the gear-planner undervalues hit because it does not count hit past the hunter's own hit cap. In point of fact, hit rating on gear may still contribute to pet hit, even if it does not contribute to hunter hit. I actually found that 1 hit rating gave as much dps as 1 crit rating after maxing my personal hit due to the positive effect on my un-capped pet. This bug primarily relates to BM hunters with the focused aim talent.

All of this, of course, is from my non-visual-basic-savvy point of view, but I believe that's what's happening.

Edit: An alternative or addative cause may be the arpen on Vereesa's belt. I've noticed the gear planner and the spreadsheet proper do not always agree on the value of Arpen, even after calc attributes; the gear planner things the Incisor Fragment, for example, is a top-tier trinket, but plugging it into the spreadsheet proper yields significantly lower results. So in addition to hit rating as a possible culprit, Arpen may be the issue.

Last edited by Zeuxis : 12/12/08 at 1:58 PM. Reason: Added information

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Old 12/12/08, 1:42 PM   #929
Cranch
Don Flamenco
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Perenolde
Originally Posted by Jark View Post
Any news on an OpenOffice version for those of us who can't/won't afford to pay Micro$oft's ridiculous prices?
Buy the student edition of Office 2003.

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Old 12/12/08, 2:25 PM   #930
Neruse
Piston Honda
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Sargeras
I got the USB 7in1 version. Portable, small, and didn't hammer my wallet.

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