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Old 02/06/09, 2:53 AM   #1551
Grimzim
Glass Joe
 
Murloc Hunter
 
Lothar (EU)
Small (cosmetic) error in version 82d regarding [Chestguard of Flagrant Prowess] - it is listed as Obsidian Sanctum 25 but afaik it is only obtainable in Obsidian Sanctum 10 (2D).

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Old 02/06/09, 3:08 AM   #1552
Rezdan
Don Flamenco
 
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Nagrand
Firstly, 83d is the latest version. Second, I posted this same issue yesterday. Give Shandara some time.

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Old 02/06/09, 7:27 AM   #1553
Shandara
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Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Esoth View Post
It's doing roughly the same for me. An initial guess it's that it's not a bug, per se, but a re-optimization of your shot cycle. For instance, if you're survival, without latency you'd be doing explosive + 3 specials. This probably has you doing explosive + 2 specials, but it's much tighter than your explosive + 3 specials with high latency. Just a guess.
This is correct.

Note that the spreadsheet doesn't _wait_ for CDs. If a shot is off cooldown and it has the highest priority of useable shots then it will be used. In this case the high latency cases mean your next Eplosive Shot is getting pushed further and further out because of the long cast time + latency of steady shot.

As Esoth said, once the latency reaches high enough your ES is off cooldown during the 2nd Steady instead of the 3rd.

EDIT:
- Explosive Shot 14% AP scaling
- Staff of the Plaguehound now shows up properly in the pull-down menus on the gear tab
- Added Darkmoon Card: Death and made trinkets that have damage procs able to crit (for 100% crit damage)
- Go for the Throat now uses the composite crit chance over all your shots rather than base crit chance
This should bring it up-to-date with the hotfix. I'm going to hold off on more changes until we know more details about the coming 3.1 patch (or better yet when it is up on the PTR).

Last edited by Shandara : 02/06/09 at 7:42 AM.


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Old 02/06/09, 10:08 AM   #1554
strifer
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Night Elf Hunter
 
The Sha'tar (EU)
First of all, as my first post, I would like to thank Shandara and all posters for this great tool.
Now my question.
I don't understan the line "Explosive Shot Ticks" in the "Settings" tab. I thought it was about overwrite or not last tick of ES during L&L proc, but when I saw the options 0,1,2,3 I was not so sure. And any reason why "2" is the default one?

Thanks again

Last edited by strifer : 02/07/09 at 9:11 AM.

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Old 02/06/09, 12:20 PM   #1555
Shandara
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Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by strifer View Post
First of all, as my first post, i would like to thank Shandara and all posters for this great tool ^^
Now my question.
I don't understan the line "Explosive Shot Ticks" in the "Settings" tab. I thought it was about overwrite or not last tick of ES durng L&L proc, but when i saw the options 0,1,2,3 I was not so sure. And any reason why "2" is the default one?

Thanks again
During the beta the number of 'free' shots was in doubt for a while, this option is a legacy of that.


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Old 02/06/09, 1:38 PM   #1556
Iru
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Muradin
Shandara, is there any reason why the export/import functionality doesn't include the Character/Realm/Server/Gathering SKill data from the overview sheet?

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Old 02/06/09, 1:51 PM   #1557
Shandara
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Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Iru View Post
Shandara, is there any reason why the export/import functionality doesn't include the Character/Realm/Server/Gathering SKill data from the overview sheet?
No there isn't. I'll put it on the to-do list.


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Old 02/06/09, 7:30 PM   #1558
Innersakura
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Bonechewer
*ignore this post*

Last edited by Innersakura : 02/10/09 at 1:14 PM.

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Old 02/06/09, 11:49 PM   #1559
Doobiee
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Boulderfist
Originally Posted by Runningelk View Post
Originally Posted by alienangel
Someone needs to figure out what the new coefficient is first
From the thread, post #166 ... World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> HUNTERS: why the stealth nerf?
From the testing I've done the coefficient seems to have been changed to [RAP * 0.14 + 428]-[RAP * 0.14 + 516] from [RAP * 0.16 + 428]-[RAP * 0.16 + 516] that it was before.
For what it's worth, I've independently confirmed the coefficient at 0.14. Here are the numbers, if anyone is interested:

Gear: 4705 AP, Fine Light Crossbow, no trinkets
Spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Over 300 ES ticks, I observed
Min ES hit: 868
Max ES hit: 1174
Max resist: 225 (max resist occurring with a 868 ES hit: 217)

Bonus damage check:
Max ES - (Min ES + max resist) = 88
Max Damage Bonus (from formula) - Min Damage Bonus = 88

Coef check:
(Max ES - Max Bonus Damage) / Attack Power = 0.13985

Looks like we can safely say that the new formula is indeed [RAP * 0.14 + 428]-[RAP * 0.14 + 516]

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Old 02/07/09, 9:26 PM   #1560
Dch48
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Draka
Stats on Impassive Starflare Diamond are wrong. The correct stats are 17 crit rating and 10% reduction in fear duration. No crit at all is inputted to the sheet when it is equipped as well.

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Old 02/09/09, 1:54 AM   #1561
Argg0
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Troll Hunter
 
Warsong
Titan-forged Chain Helm of Triumph is currently not in the gear tab (but I've seen it on the Gear Planner tab).

"Glyph of Improved Aspect of the Hawk" and "Glyph of True-Shot Aura", gives me an extra dps... however, it shouldn't, as I don't have Imp AotH or TSA. There is also a nonexistent glyph called "Glyph of Bestial Speed".

Is it possible to add to "Target Debuffs" "Hunter's Mark (Not you)" with the options including talented and glyphed?

On the Rotation, we never cast HM. However, I've seen a DPS increase from both the Imp HM talent and the HM Glyph.

I was wandering... how does it compares DW to 2H? Since they have different enchants. Someone under hit cap could have more benefit from DW + Dual Acc enchant?

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Old 02/09/09, 7:21 AM   #1562
Thayer
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Khaz Modan
time to update the spreadsheet again

* Kindred Spirits (Beast Mastery): This talent now grants 20% pet damage at max rank.
* Serpent’s Swiftness (Beast Mastery): This talent now grants 20% pet attack speed at max rank.

I would like to see where this puts BM now. I don't think these changes alone will catch it up with Surv.

Don't mind my kitty, those are just love bites...

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Old 02/09/09, 7:54 AM   #1563
Bloodleaf
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Forscherliga (EU)
Originally Posted by Argg0 View Post
Titan-forged Chain Helm of Triumph is currently not in the gear tab (but I've seen it on the Gear Planner tab).

"Glyph of Improved Aspect of the Hawk" and "Glyph of True-Shot Aura", gives me an extra dps... however, it shouldn't, as I don't have Imp AotH or TSA. There is also a nonexistent glyph called "Glyph of Bestial Speed".

Is it possible to add to "Target Debuffs" "Hunter's Mark (Not you)" with the options including talented and glyphed?

On the Rotation, we never cast HM. However, I've seen a DPS increase from both the Imp HM talent and the HM Glyph.

I was wandering... how does it compares DW to 2H? Since they have different enchants. Someone under hit cap could have more benefit from DW + Dual Acc enchant?
Regarding the Glyphs: This may come from the same reason as Skillung/unskillung Aimes doe'nt change your DPS: Yiur are considerd intelligent enogh to know, that yo cant cast Aimed Shot, when you don't have it (and theorefore don't ue it in the Rotation)

To huntersmark rotations and HM: afaik it is considerd as always up, so you don't have to put it into your shot rotation, but it would be a Nice Idea, to optionally allow the manual cast in the shot rotation, to see how refreshing it affekcs your DPS.
But i wouldn't give this a high priority.

If you're referring to the gearplanner: ATIM it does'nt i think.
and yes: if you are low on hit, or have only non hit gear, the greatest DPS Increase should com from Sinsier revenge and dual ACC. this should be far fwar ahead of Journes end with massacre.
(exempel calculation with my values: 500 (Sinister with dual acc) vs 410 (jounes end) vs approx 440 (Black ice with massacre and low hit in general)
This too would be a nice Feature to implement.
An Option to do this, would be an Dropdownmenu in the gearplanner tab, to chose the Enchantment you would want to put on the weapon.

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Old 02/09/09, 8:24 AM   #1564
Shandara
Great Tiger
 
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Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Update:
- Explosive Shot Rank 4 top damage now 516
- Corrected Impassive Skyflare Diamond stats
- Glyph of Trueshot Aura now only active if you actually have TSA as a talent
- 3.0.9: Kindred Spirits again 20%, Serpent's Swiftness likewise
- Added improved/glyphed Hunter's Mark as a target debuff
Added a link to the previous version (V83e) on the first page since it'll be likely to get more upcoming changes announced soon (either more 3.0.9 changes or 3.1 Ulduar PTR changes.


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Old 02/09/09, 12:09 PM   #1565
Shandara
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Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Re-uploaded V84, fixing a small bug with Elixir of Accuracy.


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Old 02/09/09, 12:13 PM   #1566
Xoran
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Proudmoore (EU)
I just played with the latest version and noticed my SV dps is increasing, because time to OOM (viper to oom) went up through the roof from something like 328sec (v83e) to 2730sec (v84). This comes from a different value for Judgement of Wisdom on the buffs tab (88 vs 286 mp5).

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Old 02/09/09, 12:17 PM   #1567
Shandara
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Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Xoran View Post
I just played with the latest version and noticed my SV dps is increasing, because time to OOM (viper to oom) went up through the roof from something like 328sec (v83e) to 2730sec (v84). This comes from a different value for Judgement of Wisdom on the buffs tab (88 vs 286 mp5).
Yes, after reading this thread and some testing with a friend I have to conclude there is no internal CD for JoW and that the proc chance is very high (possibly the 50% offered in the linked thread).

I forgot to mention this change in the change log.


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Old 02/09/09, 1:38 PM   #1568
Seoman
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Kirin Tor
On the Calculations tab, under Critical Hit Damage, it seems like Relentless Earthsiege and Earthstorm Diamonds are getting a 6% buff to Crit damage, rather than the 3% on the tooltip, and that Chaotic Skyfire and Skyflare diamonds do not get any buff, rather than the 3% on the tooltip.

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Old 02/09/09, 1:54 PM   #1569
Shandara
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Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Seoman View Post
On the Calculations tab, under Critical Hit Damage, it seems like Relentless Earthsiege and Earthstorm Diamonds are getting a 6% buff to Crit damage, rather than the 3% on the tooltip, and that Chaotic Skyfire and Skyflare diamonds do not get any buff, rather than the 3% on the tooltip.
The 6% damage is the effective increase in damage (an explanation is in one of the threads on this forum). I have been meaning to shuffle them around to make it easier to understand.

Both Chaotic diamonds haven't been changed yet to provide the buff (an oversight).


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Old 02/09/09, 2:05 PM   #1570
Seoman
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Kirin Tor
In the most recent download, I see the value for Serpent's Swiftness on the Calculations tab in H23 as reflecting the anticipated changes in 3.0.9, but it looks like the values on the Pet Calculations tab in cells I47 and F8 are still the current, lower values.

Last edited by Seoman : 02/09/09 at 3:49 PM.

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Old 02/09/09, 4:47 PM   #1571
Dch48
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Draka
I can neither import my data from 83e nor from the armory in V84

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Old 02/09/09, 5:34 PM   #1572
Sylvand
Piston Honda
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Spirestone
Originally Posted by Seoman View Post
In the most recent download, I see the value for Serpent's Swiftness on the Calculations tab in H23 as reflecting the anticipated changes in 3.0.9, but it looks like the values on the Pet Calculations tab in cells I47 and F8 are still the current, lower values.
You may have clicked the wrong link. These cells are both showing a 4% (* talent points) on mine.

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Old 02/09/09, 6:05 PM   #1573
Shandara
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Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Dch48 View Post
I can neither import my data from 83e nor from the armory in V84
I've re-uploaded V84 with a small fix for this problem (I hope).


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Old 02/09/09, 6:08 PM   #1574
LordThing
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Stormreaver
Also the most recent version (downloaded about 5 hours ago) seems to have a bug when it comes to pets. I swapped the pet from devilsaur to cat, re-did the talent points, but can't select rabid or call of the wild in the pet rotation. Just 4 nones appear.

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Old 02/09/09, 6:11 PM   #1575
Shandara
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Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by LordThing View Post
Also the most recent version (downloaded about 5 hours ago) seems to have a bug when it comes to pets. I swapped the pet from devilsaur to cat, re-did the talent points, but can't select rabid or call of the wild in the pet rotation. Just 4 nones appear.
Since these abilities have been taken off the GCD for pets they are averaged automatically without needing to be selected in the pet rotation.


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