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02/09/09, 6:18 PM
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#1576
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Sylvand
You may have clicked the wrong link. These cells are both showing a 4% (* talent points) on mine.
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I redownloaded, carefully clicking on V84, and saw the same thing - on the Pet Calculation tab, Serpent's Swiftness is at 0.02/talent point and Kindred Spirits is at 0.03/talent point, in F8 and I47 respectively.
Am I missing something?
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02/09/09, 6:41 PM
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#1577
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Hunter
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
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Originally Posted by Seoman
I redownloaded, carefully clicking on V84, and saw the same thing - on the Pet Calculation tab, Serpent's Swiftness is at 0.02/talent point and Kindred Spirits is at 0.03/talent point, in F8 and I47 respectively.
Am I missing something?
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Is the changelog saying you have v84? If not, try clearing your browser cache and re-download.
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02/09/09, 7:04 PM
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#1578
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Shandara
Is the changelog saying you have v84? If not, try clearing your browser cache and re-download.
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The changelog on the website has said 84 the entire time - the file I download only has Change Log entries through v83c, though.
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02/09/09, 7:14 PM
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#1579
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Hunter
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
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Originally Posted by Seoman
The changelog on the website has said 84 the entire time - the file I download only has Change Log entries through v83c, though.
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That really sounds like a caching issue somewhere along the line though. Either your ISP is buffering it or you are locally.
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02/10/09, 12:17 AM
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#1580
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Piston Honda
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I have been looking at the new version of the spreadsheet -- it is truly a work of art and very nice to use. I have discovered a little glitch in it, though -- on the "Buffs" worksheet, when you choose Spiced Wyrn Burger on the pull down menu, it gives you credit for 40 hit instead of 40 crit as it should.
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02/10/09, 12:26 AM
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#1581
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Piston Honda
Tauren Hunter
Cenarion Circle
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I had a strange bug where I was trying to put Steady on the bottom slot of the Shot Rotation tab and Serpent right above it. With Serpent in that second to last slot, there were a bunch of div0 errors. It was fine when I moved Serpent to a higher slot and left the second to last empty. I didn't think to try it with other shots, I can poke at it more tomorrow when I have access to the sheet.
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02/10/09, 12:46 AM
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#1582
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Glass Joe
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Has anyone else noticed that the Scroll field for pet buffs doesn't affect the pet's DPS? Even if I change the pet food to none and choose the Str scroll I see no effect.
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02/10/09, 12:58 AM
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#1583
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Piston Honda
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I believe scrolls don't stack with other stat giving buffs.
So, Str and Agi scrolls won't work if you have strength of earth totem.
Same goes for Int scrolls and arcane intellect, spirit scroll with divine spirit, etc
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02/10/09, 8:09 AM
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#1584
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Hunter
Alleria (EU)
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V84: Relentless Earthsiege + Delicate Dragons Eye seem to "don't like" each other
When loading my gear from armory I get an error for both (but ONLY for those two - my other 2 Dragon Eyes are simply not showing) in my helmet.
Manually adding the dragon eyes in all slots makes the error disapear but the meta gem is not calculated until reloading the whole spreadsheet.
The World of Warcraft Armory in case you want to verify this
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02/10/09, 9:00 AM
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#1585
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Hunter
The Forgotten Coast
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- Explosive Shot Rank 4 top damage now 516
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I see that other sites list the other changes that were listed except this one. Is there a Blue post that details this change? If it goes it's a huge reduction in damage...
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02/10/09, 11:02 AM
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#1586
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Bald Bull
Worgen Hunter
Whisperwind
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Originally Posted by jmichaelp
I see that other sites list the other changes that were listed except this one. Is there a Blue post that details this change? If it goes it's a huge reduction in damage...
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The 496 max damage was a legacy from an earlier version of explosive; wowhead and other sites have been listing it as 516 for awhile. It's supposed to be a correction rather than a reflection of some recent patch. Of course if you've got contradictory data, please post it.
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Originally Posted by Florrie
What flavour of hipster racism am i missing today?
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Shaman | Priest
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02/10/09, 11:14 AM
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#1587
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by jmichaelp
I see that other sites list the other changes that were listed except this one. Is there a Blue post that details this change? If it goes it's a huge reduction in damage...
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Explosive shot is calculated based on a scaling coefficient + fixed damage mechanic. The 516 being referred to is just the "fixed damage" portion of the calculation. It does not mean that your explosive shot will hit for a max of 516.
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02/10/09, 11:22 AM
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#1588
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Hunter
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
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I had originally added the 3.08 PTR Explosive Shot changes myself when the 'other sites' didn't have the ranks yet datamined by calculating the damage ranges by hand. It was brought to my attention that the values used in the sheet didn't quite correspond to what Wowhead (and others used).
The change for V84 is a correction to the values used by Wowhead. I also corrected some of the lower ranks (but I doubt that's of any interest).
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02/10/09, 12:25 PM
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#1589
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Von Kaiser
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I cleared my cache and redownloaded, and that worked - thanks Shandara!
It looks as though changing Scrolls - no scroll, any level, any type - does not effect DPS. Is that a built in feature that prevents conflicting buffs from working, or a bug?
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02/10/09, 12:44 PM
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#1590
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Glass Joe
Draenei Shaman
Magtheridon
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First off - awesome spreadsheet. One of the best I have seen for any class.
Second - I have noticed a problem with pet dps. Where you enter your pet dps rotation - it doesn't show rabid or call of the wild as an option. I can see where it is checking to see if rabid and call of the wild are there and it is set to false, even though I have specced into it in the spreadsheet. I think this is because the pet dps rotation options aren't loading properly.
EDIT: My mistake I see that it is averaged instead of used int he pet rotation. However, I still notice lower pet dps then I expected out of the spread sheet. I will look into it further and get back.
Thanks!
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02/10/09, 12:56 PM
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#1591
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Piston Honda
Tauren Hunter
Cenarion Circle
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EDIT: I'm retarded and forgot to turn off aspects on the spreadsheet when I was testing, please delete.
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02/10/09, 1:03 PM
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#1592
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Seoman
I cleared my cache and redownloaded, and that worked - thanks Shandara!
It looks as though changing Scrolls - no scroll, any level, any type - does not effect DPS. Is that a built in feature that prevents conflicting buffs from working, or a bug?
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In game/on the spreadsheet, scroll buffs are replaced/overwritten by either Horn of Winter (DK) or Strength of Earth Totem (Shaman). This is why scrolls provide a 0 dps change if you have one of those buffs already loaded into the buff profile.
Also, I wanted to get some feedback from you other hunters plugging numbers on the spreadsheet. When using the same gear, switching the shot rotation and using the proper third glyph based on spec, BW (BM), Imp. Hawk (SV), and TSA (MM), even after the un-nerfs to the BM pet talents, I am still getting the highest overall dps coming from SV by nearly 600 dps (MM is second at 571 less, BM still third at 710 less). Is anyone else getting similar results?
Last edited by Khallas : 02/10/09 at 1:12 PM.
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02/10/09, 1:32 PM
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#1593
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Khallas
In game/on the spreadsheet, scroll buffs are replaced/overwritten by either Horn of Winter (DK) or Strength of Earth Totem (Shaman). This is why scrolls provide a 0 dps change if you have one of those buffs already loaded into the buff profile.
Also, I wanted to get some feedback from you other hunters plugging numbers on the spreadsheet. When using the same gear, switching the shot rotation and using the proper third glyph based on spec, BW (BM), Imp. Hawk (SV), and TSA (MM), even after the un-nerfs to the BM pet talents, I am still getting the highest overall dps coming from SV by nearly 600 dps (MM is second at 571 less, BM still third at 710 less). Is anyone else getting similar results?
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If you're agility geared currently, that explains a good deal of it; BM and MM benefit more from AP gems/enchants than Agility. As has been discussed a couple times now, if you are geared for one spec and check yourself in others (particularly if geared for SV right now), then your current spec comes out by a fair margin. Be sure to change your enchants and gems, and possibly trinkets and a few pieces of gear, to reflect the spec you want to change to. This should provide a more accurate picture of your new DPS in that spec.
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02/10/09, 1:39 PM
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#1594
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Fierra
If you're agility geared currently, that explains a good deal of it; BM and MM benefit more from AP gems/enchants than Agility. As has been discussed a couple times now, if you are geared for one spec and check yourself in others (particularly if geared for SV right now), then your current spec comes out by a fair margin. Be sure to change your enchants and gems, and possibly trinkets and a few pieces of gear, to reflect the spec you want to change to. This should provide a more accurate picture of your new DPS in that spec.
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I guess I forgot to mention that I also changed gems and enchants in the spreadsheet for AP gems and enchants in the BM spec. As for MM, I still see higher dps numbers in the sheet with agility gems and enchants over AP.
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02/10/09, 4:59 PM
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#1595
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Khallas
I guess I forgot to mention that I also changed gems and enchants in the spreadsheet for AP gems and enchants in the BM spec. As for MM, I still see higher dps numbers in the sheet with agility gems and enchants over AP.
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With max rank/fully improved Kings, I see Agility gems coming out over AP gems even for BM and MM (very, very slightly).
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02/10/09, 6:00 PM
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#1596
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Hunter
The Forgotten Coast
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Thanks for the replies. I understand about the ES scaling but misunderstood the 516 damage because version 84 gives me 1,200 less DPS than version 83e with the same SV spec & equipment. What's causing this?
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02/10/09, 6:08 PM
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#1597
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Bald Bull
Worgen Hunter
Whisperwind
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Originally Posted by jmichaelp
Thanks for the replies. I understand about the ES scaling but misunderstood the 516 damage because version 84 gives me 1,200 less DPS than version 83e with the same SV spec & equipment. What's causing this?
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Check all of your settings (buffs? gear? talents? shot rotations?) - there's no way you're going to see a 1200 DPS loss due to ES scaling getting a slight nerf.
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Originally Posted by Florrie
What flavour of hipster racism am i missing today?
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Shaman | Priest
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02/10/09, 6:58 PM
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#1598
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Hunter
The Forgotten Coast
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Ahh, it was the shot priority that needed to be changed - thanks! Version 84 was using a different pet with BW & I hadn't changed that, whew 
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02/11/09, 8:28 AM
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#1599
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Hunter
Forscherliga (EU)
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Something I am wondering about:
How came it, that with the ES nerf agility went down from 1.3x dps to 1.2x dps (down 'bout .1) but AP went up 'bout .05 per point, so that per itembudget the value was now about .99 (.88 before the nerf in the spreadsheet)?
I do understand, that with less scaling, the DPS increase per AP is less, but this should affekt AP more then agi, because Agi also grants crit.
edit: Now with new and improved spelling.
Last edited by Bloodleaf : 02/11/09 at 1:59 PM.
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02/11/09, 11:10 AM
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#1600
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Glass Joe
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Unless I'm missing something, there appears to be a bug in v84 with GFTT. For my current gear and spec, using a cat, I'm showing a slight dps gain by simply removing the one point I have in GFTT. Also, increasing GFTT to 2/2 shows no gain at all, which is close to, but not exactly what I would expect. How can this be?
edit: Found the issue- when switching pets from Shandara's devilsaur to my cat I had forgotten to change Bite to Claw in the pet rotation. My mistake, delete please.
Last edited by balakachaka : 02/12/09 at 11:06 AM.
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