Yeah, furious isn't in... Deadly Long Bow shows up on my top 10 list (the bow with 141 dps)... so, I doubt Furious wouldn't reach higher than that.

And damn, will we have to PvP for a 170 dps Ranged weapon or are we going to get it from some obscure hard mode? >_<

Algalon will most likely drop a 239 ranged (crossbow is my bet!), until then yes, 2.2k furious weapons will be BiS

I already searched the thread looking for an answer, but couldn't find anything about it.

Is there a reason why Relentless Earthsiege Diamond is not listing 3% crit damage increase? Is this just a visual bug on the gem list?

I'm noticing a really small gain changing Chaotic Skyflare with the Relentless Earthsiege (around 1dps with my gear) and I believe that it should be around 10 or something with my current gear. I already tried to force meta requirements with a dragon's eye for test purpose and the dps gain is still around 3 points.

When I ran the [Furious Gladiator's Recurve] through my spreadsheet as custom gear it showed as a DPS downgrade from Siren's Cry for me. Keep in mind I'm a troll so I have the racial, but even still both are bows. For me [Siren's Cry] offers nearly 30 more dps according to the spreadsheet.

Perhaps I made an error with some setting in the spreadsheet but I've gone over it multiple times and cannot see what it is I messed up.

My only other theory is that because the furious bow is a 3.0 speed weapon, maybe normalization plays a role as opposed to Siren's Cry which is 2.8 speed. Has anyone else had similar results?

Edit: This was as survival 0/15/56 with my current gear as the setup in the spreadsheet.

Nope, it was an upgrade... quite a big one actually.

6425.96 with Furious.
6387.77 with Siren.

I'm a troll and my gear/spec can be seen on my armory.

Maybe it's an upgrade because I'm MM?

I haven't seen mention of this anywhere else in the thread.. but in the Gear tab, if I select any Race other than Orc, I get #DIV/0! errors on most of the DPS calculations.

I've spent literally an hour resetting all default settings back to 0 with no successful results.

Any help would be appreciated. Running this on Excel 2007, if that makes a difference.

Playing around with the spread sheet can yield some rather large swings in dps with the same gear. I have been trying to pay closer attention to my in game latency and I have a question.

If the spreadsheet is given an average latency of 0.1 versus 0.15 the value of chimera, aimed and kill shot glyphs are very different. During a raid my latency will usually hover around 100-150 but 100 and 200 are common enough that I question how effective the spreadsheet is at determining my dps (obviously since the fights and our latency are not as smooth as the spreadsheet is able to predict). I guess I am wondering how many people glyph exactly how the spreadsheet recommends versus what you like or what makes your rotation easier?

[Drape of the Faceless General] - comments on Wowhead suggest that this drops from Ulduar-10 Hard, but the spreadsheet lists it as Ulduar 25. Not sure which is correct as I haven't seen the item drop myself, but it might be worth looking at. (87b)

I did a similar comparison and found the Furious weapons to be inferior regardless of my spec. I did the comparison from Giant's Bane vs the furious gun as well as comparing Siren's Call to the Furious bow/xbow. In both comparisons the Furious weapons were a downgrade of approx 20-30 dps.


Can anyone else see what they're getting? Maybe myself and the poster earlier on this page entered the data in incorrectly somehow?

It's spec reliant.

Marks relies more on Weapon Damage with it being a main component of Chimera Shot so the Furious comes out ahead. The +Stat boosts from Giants/Sirens outweigh the higher weapon damage for Survival.

Bug report: 87c no longer correctly selects the pet family special attack when you change pet families, e.g. wolf to wasp. It certainly used to do so in 87a. Did something change in this area or do I have a corrupted spreadsheet?

I continue to see it as a dps loss versus Giants/Sirens regardless of whether I spec MM or SV. I suppose it may just be my gear's stat distribution. Oh well.

There's no easy way to remove them but you could sort them on DPS value so at least you're only seeing gems that are likely to be useful at the top of the list.

Just remember to run the calculate attribute routine (the button on the summary page) first so that you're seeing the gems' DPS value based on your current gear.

I noticed some strange behavior in how stats are calculated when messing with gems for a 54/12/5 spec in that AP seemed to be scaling with itself. Unless I'm missing something shouldn't the DPS value of AP be constant unless another stat (crit/arp/hit/haste/agi/int) changes? Nothing was changed other than agi gems to attack power gems which should have (again, unless I'm completely missing something) lowered the DPS value of attack power not increased it since the crit chance decreased.

I'm having some problems using the spreadsheet, trying to determine what gear will be best for me (that is also accessible). When I look in the gearplanner and see an item listed as dps upgrade and I go back in the gear tab and put it on, it sometimes show as a downgrade instead on my dps. So there's not always consistency between the gear planner and then the gear tab when equipping the item. Hence I'm very confused and can't really figure out what items are upgrades and what not.
Shall i trust the gearplanner or the result from gear tab when equipping an item?

I dunno if it's just me doing something wrong or if the rest of you have similar problems.

(copy/pasted from the other thread since i was told this is the correct place to ask)

Just want to be sure... has the 4pt T8 been implemented?

edit: Also... Gloves of the Steady Hand are shown with two red socks, while on armory they have a red and a blue one.

I'm sorry if this has been asked before (tried searching...) but why does the Hunter Hit +1 value always stay so high? For example, I'm currently 278 Hit (15 over the cap) and the Hunter Hit +1 value is still 1.583 - shouldn't it now be 0?

One other thing - with 87c, "For Pet" hit (on the Overview tab) does not seem to correctly calculate. At 278 hit, it shows 0. Shouldn't that be -14?

The Silithid is still classed as ferocity when according to every other reference, they are cunning.

I believe pet inherits your hit rounded down to the one's digit. So that means if you have 7.xx%, your pet only gains 7% hit. So if you are 8.xx%, you are over hit cap, but pet is exactly at 8%.

Blood of the Old God isn't in the spreadsheet, please add

[Blood of the Old God]

Update:
Compared to the previous version you might notice some slight DPS decrease because I fixed some rounding errors along the way while trying to get my numbers to match in-game character tab more. Also changed the fact that 2t7 seemed to boost pet AP by 5% on the PTR but seems to have been fixed on Live.
EDIT: Also changed the rating conversions to use greater precision up to 6 decimals (from the Combat Ratings at 80 thread), which seemed to fix some rounding errors as well.

For the Armory import new feature, I had to guess at how some stats are handled (esp Mp5 and Resilience) so if you are wearing any unrecognized item with those stats on them and the import fails, let me know. This feature is still a bit experimental since the sheet seems to have most gear in it by now.

For the Gear planner change: When comparing a currently 2-hander versus a dual-wield combo, the dps of the 2-hander is split into 2 over both Main-hand and Off-hand comparisons. For the purposes of +hit calculations and hit-cap the 2-hander's hit is also split.

Before the update Giants showed as more dps for me than Siren's. Now after your update Siren's shows as biggest dps upgrade.

I'm a dwarf and wondering if the Giants gun is not supposed to be the best ranged weapon for me? How (or where) can I see if the spreadsheet is calculating my racial gun bonus into the dps numbers?