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Old 01/23/09, 4:47 PM   #1396
Nagisamuro
Piston Honda
 
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Orc Hunter
 
Cho'gall
Originally Posted by revelator View Post
Why is Shifting Twilight Opal --> Tenuous Twilight Opal on the spreadsheet? It seems that MP5 would be a minor addition to DPS while stamina would offer zero yet the spreadsheet displays more DPS upon the selection of the shifting gem.
It depends on gear and spec. Stam converts to AP for specs that include Hunter Vs. Wild, is multiplied by Survivalist and of course Blessing of Kings.

Specs not including those talents (or gear severely short on Intellect) may well see a higher DPS boost from the agi/mp5 gem.

edit: You guys are fast. Delete if this is deemed a redundant waste of space.

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Old 01/23/09, 4:53 PM   #1397
revelator
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Zangarmarsh
Thanks very much everyone. I still don't intimately know every talent in the SV tree and hadn't even considered that.

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Old 01/23/09, 5:14 PM   #1398
jmichaelp
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
The Forgotten Coast
I'm still BM & according to the spreadsheet, with my gear, the best DPS I can get is with the following talents:
WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Hunter -> Talent Calculator. MM & SV show up as better DPS in the spreadsheet when unbuffed, but in 10/25 man raids BM is better. According to the spec others are using SV is the best so what am I doing wrong that the spreadsheet doesn't show it?

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Old 01/23/09, 7:33 PM   #1399
Domo
Glass Joe
 
Bighead
Orc Hunter
 
Gnomeregan
Just wanted to say thank you Shandara for putting the time and work into the spreadsheet. It's just great that you've added Taiwan into the server selection. It makes my life much easier just using the armory import. Thanks again!

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Old 01/23/09, 9:04 PM   #1400
Sylvand
Piston Honda
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Spirestone
Originally Posted by jmichaelp View Post
I'm still BM & according to the spreadsheet, with my gear, the best DPS I can get is with the following talents:
WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Hunter -> Talent Calculator. MM & SV show up as better DPS in the spreadsheet when unbuffed, but in 10/25 man raids BM is better. According to the spec others are using SV is the best so what am I doing wrong that the spreadsheet doesn't show it?
What you are seeing may be correct. The issue with pets is that as they double dip in raid buffs they start out very high. Truly they have been nerfed but if you are low on the gear scaling, the pet scaling from raid buffs may become the dominant factor.

What particular numbers are you seeing for personal and pet dps numbers for each spec? That should lend a fair amount of insight without making anyone plug your gear and talents into the spreadsheet themselves.

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Old 01/23/09, 11:54 PM   #1401
snafoo
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Barthilas
For some reason, when loading my gear/talents directly from my armory and disabling all buffs the spreadsheet shows my crit % as 37.29%, whilst I actually only have 36.09% according to my character sheet - anyone have any idea why this would occur?

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Old 01/24/09, 5:28 AM   #1402
Midnight
Don Flamenco
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Ysera (EU)
Originally Posted by Onouris View Post
I don't think that's a bug. I think buffs are handled separately to profiles and you have to save them with the save buffs button. My guess reasoning is that profiles can cover many specs and to be honest, most specs are pretty much going to have the same buffs, since the rest of your raid is the same, and most of the time you'd use the same Elixirs / Flask.
Negative, it does save the flask on another profile and about anything else that influencing the overall dps that´s linked to a profile.

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Old 01/24/09, 10:31 AM   #1403
Thelastdeadmouse
Von Kaiser
 
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Tauren Hunter
 
Hydraxis
Please add Greater Inscription of the Gladiator, a new shoulder enhancement that gives 30 stamina and 15 resilience.

Edit: I'll also second putting the Rift-Stalkers set back in the spreadsheet, in certain circumstances the set bonus is well worth the DPS hit. For example, up until this week I was using my scorpid in raids, and the set bonus along with talents allowed me to tank the caster four horsemen with little to no help from a healer.

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Old 01/24/09, 12:29 PM   #1404
Dalinoth
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Bloodscalp
I apologize in advance for the noob question. I just started using the spreadsheet and for whatever reason, even though I have created and saved a new profile, the numbers for dps on the overview tab do not change those to reflect new talents or other changes in the other tabs. The numbers on the overview tab remain exactly as they were when I first downloaded the spreadsheet. Can someone please explain what I am doing wrong? Thanks.

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Old 01/24/09, 12:44 PM   #1405
Seabrat
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Gorefiend
Originally Posted by Dalinoth View Post
I apologize in advance for the noob question. I just started using the spreadsheet and for whatever reason, even though I have created and saved a new profile, the numbers for dps on the overview tab do not change those to reflect new talents or other changes in the other tabs. The numbers on the overview tab remain exactly as they were when I first downloaded the spreadsheet. Can someone please explain what I am doing wrong? Thanks.
You will need to hit the Save Profile button on the gear tab before the values shown in the overview tab will change.

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Old 01/24/09, 12:49 PM   #1406
Dalinoth
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Bloodscalp
Post deleted as question is moot.

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Old 01/24/09, 3:53 PM   #1407
jmichaelp
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
The Forgotten Coast
Originally Posted by Sylvand View Post
What you are seeing may be correct. The issue with pets is that as they double dip in raid buffs they start out very high. Truly they have been nerfed but if you are low on the gear scaling, the pet scaling from raid buffs may become the dominant factor.

What particular numbers are you seeing for personal and pet dps numbers for each spec? That should lend a fair amount of insight without making anyone plug your gear and talents into the spreadsheet themselves.
Yes, the spreadsheet results are holding true in practice. In 10-man Naxx last night (I think we did 3 quarters) I was #1 with 2,182 dps followed by a ret pally with 2,081, an affliction lock with 1,959, a frost/unholy hybrid death knight with 1,878 & an elemental shaman with 1,505 dps. To do that I had to keep serpent sting up (have glyph), steady shot (glyph), arcane along with volley every time there were 3+ mobs plus BW after cooldown. Of course I ran oom constantly. In 5-mans, I usually fall toward the middle or bottom.

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Old 01/25/09, 1:01 AM   #1408
Pyewacket
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Trollbane
I noticed this too

Originally Posted by snafoo View Post
For some reason, when loading my gear/talents directly from my armory and disabling all buffs the spreadsheet shows my crit % as 37.29%, whilst I actually only have 36.09% according to my character sheet - anyone have any idea why this would occur?
First, THANK YOU for this spreadsheet. I spent several weeks reading the boards and familiarizing myself with this tool but one question remains unanswered and it echoes Snafoo's post (above). Both of my AP and Crit are slightly off compared with my armory. I have checked and rechecked every page of this spreadsheet and I can't seem to find the discrepancy. I have disabled all buffs, as well.

Lastly, how do you change anything on the "settings" tab? I'm afraid this problem has outsmarted me too.
<edit> I can access the drop down menus to change the defaults, but when I try to change any of them I get a dialog box telling me that it is protected.

Last edited by Pyewacket : 01/25/09 at 1:16 AM.

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Old 01/25/09, 1:22 AM   #1409
Kithicor
Glass Joe
 
Human Hunter
 
Tichondrius
There is an option to enable macros if you're using Excel 2008, that messed me up a bit too. As for the AP and Crit, I don't know, but I know it's doing this for me too.

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Old 01/25/09, 1:29 AM   #1410
Pyewacket
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Trollbane
Yeah, the macro thing messed me up for a while, too. They are enabled now, however and I still can't make any changes to the drop downs on the settings tab.

I appreciate the reply, though. I'll keep poking around.

Edit: It has my crit rating correct, however when it is translated into a %chance to crit, it seems to calculate it differently than the armory. The difference in AP is apparently due to the spreadsheet factoring in AOTH and Furious Howl.

Last edited by Pyewacket : 01/25/09 at 2:14 AM.

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