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Old 11/02/08, 11:30 PM   #166
Bluesfear
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Kel'Thuzad
Originally Posted by Taidaisher View Post
Would that be applicable to any and all wasps, or is there a special/elite wasp specifically? I tamed a wasp from Zangermarsh, but I don't see sting?
They all have it. Press P and go to pet skill, then drag it to your pet bar...

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Old 11/02/08, 11:31 PM   #167
Durango
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Al'Akir (EU)
I've been BM since day 1 i started raiding propely doing rather decent on bosses like teron, but looking at the changes im trying to find a BM specc to maximize the output, would like some feedback on if anyone's been trying


40/21



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Since i still think it's better with controlled burst damage when it's needed, with double BW and rapidfire. But i haven't tried the specc yet or will have the time since instances are cleared for this reset.

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Old 11/03/08, 1:14 AM   #168
samfisher
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Nagrand
BW isn't affected by Readiness cos it isn't a Hunter skill, it's a pet skill and TBW is an effect of the pet being in BW.

I would still suggest a 50/11/0 spec though for maximum DPS (as of now), something like my spec. =)

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Old 11/03/08, 1:28 AM   #169
HellyardsOwn
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Icecrown
On beta at 80 my hunter is currently specced 50/21 and Readiness DOES work on BW. at least on beta, I haven't been on in about 2 weeks, so its possible they changed it in a recent build. I don't see why they would though, originally it did not affect BW, they changed it due to QQ and bug reports, I see no reason they would change it back. Although, the Blizz operates I don't see much reason for most things they do. =)

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Old 11/03/08, 2:53 AM   #170
Aern
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Orc Hunter
 
Mal'Ganis
I can confirm that on beta at 80 my hunter being specced 50/21, Readiness definitely does reset the timer of BW.

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Old 11/03/08, 6:35 AM   #171
Durango
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Al'Akir (EU)
I just specced it, and Readiness does reset it. Question is how mutch this will actully do in comparrison to 50/11 raiding wise, I'm personly thinking Double BW and rapidfire will get more use out of my drums,haste pots,procs and heroism.



I'll uppdate the dmg imp after wedensday raid.

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Old 11/03/08, 7:10 AM   #172
Humungus
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Vol'jin (EU)
Originally Posted by Bruners View Post
I have made a small addon making use of the survival talent "Improved Tracking" less painful.
It updates a macro for you, depending on what type of mob you have targeted, with the correct tracking.

For instance, if your target is a Demon, the macro is set to

#showtooltip
/cast Track Demons
Basically target the mob, push macro button and the correct tracking is set.

I know this is not directly BM but it might become useful at level 80 if we find that spending points there is of good value.
The addon and more info can be found here, feel free to make feature requests and please report any bugs.

There is a very simple addon called "Autotrack". All you have to do is to click on your target and it automatically switches the tracking :
Autotrack

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Old 11/03/08, 7:41 AM   #173
Kajsa
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Draenei Hunter
 
Darkspear
I don't really see an extra BW per fight making up for the loss of 20% pet damage plus cobra strikes / longevity.

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Old 11/03/08, 8:55 AM   #174
 Tobin
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Pandaren Hunter
 
Elune
Originally Posted by Kajsa View Post
I don't really see an extra BW per fight making up for the loss of 20% pet damage plus cobra strikes / longevity.
Especially when BW is going to be up every 70s anyway...

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Old 11/03/08, 11:23 AM   #175
Setsero
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Velen
Haste usage

Since it seems like we will to some extent end up with WOTLK gear that has haste on it whether we like it or not, does it make any sense at all to spec at some point without maxing Serpent's Swiftness and move these talent points somewhere else?

At least we would take best use of the haste we got and maybe that would compensate for not having access to Cobra Strikes and somewhat reduced attack speed of the pet.

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Old 11/03/08, 11:42 AM   #176
Belzi.ET
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Die Arguswacht (EU)
With all that haste in LichKing another option would be a second glyph for steady shot (similiar/inversed to healing touch-glyph of druids):
- Increase casting-time of your steady shot by 25%, but increase it's damage done by 35%. *

This would result in a decision to make. Try avoiding all passive-haste and give a shit about the glyph or take the glyph and don't have to worry about some passive haste.
I know, some of you have latency-issues. For those a little longer cast-time may be a fair choice too.

Obviously, for a BM such a glyph would be more of a must-have than for Marks or Surv.

* Numbers are just out there to show the concept.

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Old 11/03/08, 12:41 PM   #177
Mattaos
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Bonechewer
Originally Posted by Setsero View Post
Since it seems like we will to some extent end up with WOTLK gear that has haste on it whether we like it or not, does it make any sense at all to spec at some point without maxing Serpent's Swiftness and move these talent points somewhere else?

At least we would take best use of the haste we got and maybe that would compensate for not having access to Cobra Strikes and somewhat reduced attack speed of the pet.
I can certainly understand what you are thinking here, but it just is not feasible to gimp our pet as a BM hunter. The pet is our bread-n-butter and haste doesn't negatively affect us to the point of needing to avoid it for the sake of building spec around it. Search the WotLK T&A thread since this topic has been discussed over there and links are provided to GC's comments on the decision to use haste on the early tiers pieces. There are other options to supplement tier 7 slots that do not have haste, besides for BM we really are mainly after 2pc T7. Haste will quicken our Auto Shots for added DPS, but we can always replace haste with more desirable stats thru gems, enchants and off-set items.

Cobra Strikes and increased pet attack speed is far too important to ignore just to even out haste some for our own benefit. If we wanted to put some math to it I bet we would find a far more significant reduction in pet DPS than overall DPS increase thru our own contribution. Make sense?

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Old 11/03/08, 1:13 PM   #178
Aern
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Orc Hunter
 
Mal'Ganis
I'd agree with matt, the difference in the affect of haste on steady shot/auto shot would be higher if you dropped SS but it definitely wouldn't outpace just going for other stats over haste. I think alot of people really discount the affect haste has on our dps, blizzard nerfed the dmg our auto shots were doing because it was such a significant portion of our dmg. Auto shot really is the only shot in our rotation that we can get to go as fast as haste allows us, which in turn allows us to get a greater benefit out of procs that don't have an internal cd. It also gives us a faster refill time with viper, which if they don't fix the way viper is working, looks like it could be a big concern when dealing with longer encounters. Basically what I'm trying to say is I don't think we have figured out yet the full effect of haste on raiding at 80.

Kajsa, unless you're talking about level 70, you're not gonna have to give up the stuff we have right now at 70 in bm to get down to readiness. With readiness and the glyph, longevity may not be that big of a priority for dps. I tested out quite a few diff specs on beta and 50/21 consistently came out on top for bm, its just that good.

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Old 11/03/08, 1:36 PM   #179
Setsero
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Velen
Originally Posted by Mattaos View Post
Cobra Strikes and increased pet attack speed is far too important to ignore just to even out haste some for our own benefit. If we wanted to put some math to it I bet we would find a far more significant reduction in pet DPS than overall DPS increase thru our own contribution. Make sense?
Thanks for the feedback and intuitively I would probably agree with that. I'll throw some math at this and if I find something contradicting, I'll repost.

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Old 11/03/08, 8:27 PM   #180
sihyunie
Piston Honda
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Bonechewer
Since we have about 40% crit with just T7 in raid, Cobra Strikes has about 13/25/37% uptime, which should be a significant dps difference.
As for Serpent's Swiftness, even after soft haste cap, the talent is still a dps increase (granted it's a minor one), while there aren't really alternative dps talents (invigoration is dps boost if encounter is long, but we'll see how long they are before getting to concrete numbers). Also, Serpent's Swiftness ups pet dps significantly (it should be about 5% of total dps loss for not taking it). With just the rough numbers, Serpent's Swiftness isn't really replaceable. As for Cobra Strikes, more math may be needed once WotLK comes out to see if invigoration may be worth it, but I doubt it, since it's too situational.

Couple more things I'm curious about.
Pet GCD. Some say it's 1.5, some say it's 1.25, and I haven't personally tested this to say anything about their tests. However, 1.5/1.2 = 1.25!!! Is it possible that Serpent's Swiftness's 20% haste is affecting pet's GCD??? I'll try testing this once I get home (bah respec...), but it would be nice if others can as well.

Another thing is, how are you people gonna spec bm when WotLK comes out. The general thread is way too long. =P
I was thinking something like this. I didn't think too hard about the spec, so it probably isn't that great, but any comments/discussion would be appreciated.

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