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3008 dps on my scropid, totally insane. I used aspect of the beast during the fight, but I really don't know if it's better than hawk.

Here's my 10 man Naxx parse for this week.

50/21

Glyphs: Steady shot, BW and AotH

AotD from start to finish

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13 dodged attacks in a 2 min 43 sec fight..
No 10% AP aura (425 dps)
No boomkin (45 dps)
Forgot to drink haste pot (no idea)
Crit RNG wasn't exactly on my side (35% crit with buffs)
I think there was 7 seconds of bloodlust left when we killed him.

Claw crit rate is rather interesting as cobra strikes proc so much and only claws are eating the charges.

If only our 25 man raid could kill him in under 3 minutes. I'd be hitting 6k this week. :>

I think this is what it comes down to...

If it has to be debated, it's not worth using Beast at all. There's always going to be fights like Loatheb and Thaddius where your pet damage amounts to a much lower share of your overall damage because they don't get specific debuffs or buffs

If your scorpid dies multiple times during a fight and can't gain happiness during, you are losing a higher percentage of your DPS while using Beast and its associated Glyph...that is unless you happen to have both Glyph of Aspect of the Hawk and Glyph of Aspect of the Beast (you shouldn't.)

I've been messing around with the latest version of the spreadsheet lately. The 50/21 spec that everyone seems to be raving about lately showed as a DPS decrease over a 52/14/5 spec(my current spec). My question is: Is there a point - gear-wise - where 50/21 overtakes it or am I missing something?

Claw still only amounts to 9% of your overall DPS, which is consistent with my 1/3 Cobra Strikes build. For an ability used so sparingly, the fact that it has a 51% crit rate is not very significant. Got any 25-man Patch results to compare to?

I actually put a line for serpent into my macro.
/castsequence reset=18 Serpent Sting

I wanted to bring up two issues I haven't seen talked about but think should be brought up...


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I am at the hit cap (currently 291), but still seeing my pet miss 4%, anyone else having the same issue?
Also, im curious as to my cats swing being more damage then my steady shot. I've checked out other peoples logs, and some have there pets doing more damage then SS and others less, what would be ideal?



Also to note [Cryptfiend's Bite] is NOT increasing ranged attack power correctly. I hadn't seen it noted anywhere here, and I grabbed one last night, only to sadly notice after I put 110ap on it that it's bugged.

I'm still fairly surprised that so many people run with a 50/21 build instead of a 53/18.
Will I really notice that much of a DPS increase with readiness?

When I actually think about it, maybe I would, but i'm still seeing that Cobra Strikes is giving me alot more DPS from my cat atm.

I think if I switch to a scorpid, perhaps then 50/21 will be the definite victor but for now, i'd urge people to at least try 53/18.

If a scorpids poison is affected by ap, isnt Rake also?

50/21 utilizes Readiness which allows you to have TBW and Rapid fire and Kill command up longer for the fight. So the shorter the fights the better the build is.

Those are not true misses. The 4% misses to swing on your WWS report were all dodges.

So the main gyphs people are using is Beastial Wrath, Steady shot and AOTH or Serpent sting? Which one is better AOTH or Serpent Sting?

Please delete wrong thread

It is worth noting that reset=18 doesn't wait 18 seconds til it casts/shoots again, all it does is wait 18 seconds and if that macro isn't click/activated it then will reset, if at any point in the 18 seconds since the macro was last activated you activate it again by say pushing the button you have assigned to the macro it will restart the reset timer therefore giving you another 18 seconds of inactivity before it resets, so if you are spamming that button, it will never reach the reset point as you will be restarting the reset timer every time you hit it.

What are the best gems for hunters now? Is it still agility or is ap better now?

I re-glyphed between Monday and Wednesday and added a Glyph of Bestial Wrath, which accounted for the extra. I actually found out exactly why my pet wasn't getting buffs and noticed the dps increase in tonight's raid, which was quite significant.

Confirmed, you lose out on ~150 ranged AP while melee AP seems to work fine.. I wonder if it's just an interface problem..

No, its not an interface problem I contacted a Gm and he told me that this is " Known issue" , and they will try fix it in the incomming patch.

This is the actual AP increasing effect on the item:
Attack Power 200 - Spell - World of Warcraft

Seems like a typo. It only increases ranged AP by 20 instead of 200.

Here is an effect that is supposed to increase AP by 200 but actually increases ranged AP by 400:
Attack Power 200 - Spell - World of Warcraft

This would be the correct entry:
Attack Power 200 - Spell - World of Warcraft

I'm not sure if this is the place for it, but because everyone has been posting WWSes, I'll post my 10 man from last night and request some help.

My spec is in the Armory - 50/21, 3/3 Longevity, 0/3 Focused Aim, 3/3 Improved Stings. This parse was with a Cat. My Glyphs were BW, Steady, and Serpent. I used Timeless Arrows (53 DPS).

In comparing my parse to Osse, I have about 300 AP and 3% crit on him from gear, but my numbers are much lower. I am also over 8% hit and under 9% and neither my pet or I missed.

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Unlike Osse, I didn't have the Major Armor debuff, but I did have 10% AP, all Pally buffs, Strength of Earth, and Windfury totem.

A few things I noticed:

1. My shots aren't hitting as hard as his, probably because of boss armor.
2. I have far fewer Auto Shots than he does; I have no idea why this would be. I used the !Auto Shot macro for this raid with the Auto/Steady option unchecked. I also popped Rapid Fire as many times as he did. Could the AotH glyph account for 13 whole Autos?
3. It's very hard to directly compare pet damage, but my Cat seems to be underperforming on melee swings, probably because of boss armor again.

Any insight anyone has would be super. As an aside, Recount in our 25-man said I was doing 4400 DPS there (again underperforming quite a bit), so I guess I fixed something between the two raids, but I'm not sure what it was.

Hello, I just did some maths about 2/2 Survival Instincts + 3/5 Mortal Shots vs. 5/5 Mortal Shots since people are running 52/14/5 (lets leave 50/21/0 apart for a moment) while it seems a 52/12/7 would be (slightly but always) better.

Lets take 5 average steady HITS:
- 1300
- 1500
- 1700
- 1900
- 2100

And 3 different fight lenghts (as number of total steady hits):
- 50 steadies
- 100 steadies
- 300 steadies

Also supposing a 35% raidbuffed critrate.

1. 1300 hit, 50 steadies (17.5 crits)
- 2/2 SI, 3/5 MS (19.5 crits): 55263 DMG -> +2938
- 5/5 MS (17.5 crits): 52325 DMG

2. 1300 hit, 100 steadies (35 crits)
- 2/2 SI, 3/5 MS (39 crits): 110526 DMG -> +5876
- 5/5 MS (35 crits): 104650 DMG

3. 1300 hit, 300 steadies (105 crits)
- 2/2 SI, 3/5 MS (117 crits): 331578 DMG -> +17628
- 5/5 MS (105 crits): 313950 DMG

Of course the damage scales perfectly with the number of steadies: the longer the fight, the better SI is over 5/5 MS, though SI seems to be a better choice even in very short fights (50 steadies take 75 seconds to cast, 1 min 15 secs, even adding some GCD time for SS refreshing and stuff we almost surely won't reach the 2 minutes mark, and there are no such short fights at the moment).

So, for the next calcs we'll only take the 50 steadies time-window, as its really easy to extend on your own, if you wish!

4. 1500 hit, 50 steadies (17.5 crits)
- 2/2 SI, 3/5 MS (19.5 crits): 63765 DMG -> +3390
- 5/5 MS (17.5 crits): 60375 DMG

5. 1700 hit, 50 steadies (17.5 crits)
- 2/2 SI, 3/5 MS (19.5 crits): 72267 DMG -> +3842
- 5/5 MS (17.5 crits): 68425 DMG

6. 1900 hit, 50 steadies (17.5 crits)
- 2/2 SI, 3/5 MS (19.5 crits): 80769 DMG -> +4294
- 5/5 MS (17.5 crits): 76475 DMG

7. 2100 hit, 50 steadies (17.5 crits)
- 2/2 SI, 3/5 MS (19.5 crits): 89271 DMG -> +4746
- 5/5 MS (17.5 crits): 84525 DMG

So, 2/2 SI also becomes better the more AP you have.

As last, 2/2 SI superiority vanes as you crit rate raises, but its still superior at 50% crit, just one example with 1700 steady average hit:

8. 1700 hit, 50 steadies (25 crits)
- 2/2 SI, 3/5 MS (27 crits): 100062 DMG -> +2312
- 5/5 MS (25 crits): 97750 DMG

We can then say 2/2 SI + 3/5 MS is and will always be better than 5/5 MS for a BM build/rotation!

Thanks for reading and sorry for the wall of text, if you find out any mistakes that I most likely made (even grammar!), criticism is welcome.

The glyph increases your Steady Shot damage by 10% -- so I suppose the fight would have to last long enough to get off 10 Steady Shots before you would break even from losing a Steady Shot at the beginning of the fight to put up Serpent Sting.

EDIT to respond to the next two posters.

Cyberbob: One GCD (1.5 sec) is the same as the time for a Beast Master to cast one Steady Shot, so you must choose one or the other for that shot.

Yes, Kajsa is right that we should include the damage over time of the Serpent Sting itself and not just the glyphed boost to Steady Shot. It was my understanding (at least for TBC) that for BM hunters, Serpent Sting was not worth the loss of a Steady Shot, which is why I framed my statement the way I did. However, the added damage from the DoT should also be accounted for in any calculations. My mistake.