The spreadsheet is probably your best bet on those kind of calculations. You can use a customized trinket, sans-proc. Then include the AP in the "Hand Adjust" row on the Gear tab. Check the difference between using Dragonhawk and Beast to find what works best with your gear/talents.
Edit: There doesn't appear to be a custom setting for trinkets. You can still hand adjust all of it.
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Im curious about the Scorpion, Is the scorpion still bugged (OP) at this moment? Because im currently a trial in a guild and i'd like to show them what i go for at Patchwerk and top the DPS. Im currently using a Raptor but what im wondering is what pet is the best for patchwerk fight to top the DPS.
The spreadsheet is probably your best bet on those kind of calculations. You can use a customized trinket, sans-proc. Then include the AP in the "Hand Adjust" row on the Gear tab. Check the difference between using Dragonhawk and Beast to find what works best with your gear/talents.
Edit: There doesn't appear to be a custom setting for trinkets. You can still hand adjust all of it.
You don't need to though, on the shot rotation page you can select your aspect.
You don't need to though, on the shot rotation page you can select your aspect.
Right, but he's talking about Mirror of Truth procs. So you'd set your Mirror trinket to "none", hand adjust 84 crit and 1000 AP, and then toggle between Aspect of the Dragonhawk and Aspect of the Beast on the shot rotation page to see which comes out ahead. Otherwise you're just going to be comparing aspects with an averaged out AP from the proc, instead of just comparing the aspects during the proc.
I did some test at the level 80 dummy.
Thori'dal, the Stars' Fury vs. Envoy of Mortality
no trinkets, not hawk, timeless shell on Envoy of Mortality
so without any proccs.
My tested time was 2min each test.
I was really surprised how small the difference between these weapons is. Concerning Spreadsheet, there is also only a 5+ dps increase by Envoy of Mortality
I also did some more test without any gear, just the weapons. Comparing crit, misses and so on.. it happend very often that Thori'dal, the Stars' Fury wins over Envoy of Mortality.
I wasn't aware people still raided with [Timeless Shell]s. [Mammoth Cutters] are a more appropriate ammo for making a comparison (14.5 more dps).
While [Thori'dal, the Stars' Fury] is still a solid weapon for beginning Naxx, the superior stats on the new weapons, as well as the slower speeds (which are favorable for viper) make them superior.
[Thori'dal, the Stars' Fury] does grants 17 armor penetration rating more than [Envoy of Mortality], however the stat is considerably inferior to the other stats envoy grants. The only real benefit from this weapon when you're in high-end Naxx gear (aside from it's fantastic looks) is lack of need to purchase ammo.
(Side note: To link items from wowhead, simply put the name of the item/spell/ability you wish to link in between an [ item ] and [ /item ] tags. Don't leave spaces between item and the brackets like i did in my example though.)
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I was not sure what thread to ask this in. Its a BM macro question. I looked in the hunter macro thread and it seemed mostly focused on MM macros.
Given the upcoming changes to steady shot it seems BM hunters will now need to use a arcane shot in the spam macro post 3.08. Anyone know how to work the arcane shot in?
I tried using /castrandom Steady Shot, Arcane shot
That seemed to work, yet I will need to find some code to remove the annoying sound you get when arcane shot was on cool down. Any ideas? Maybe a /castsequence would be better I am not sure. Thanks for any advice.
Hmm, the one time I tried Aspect of the Beast + Glyph the results on Patchwerk were poor. I guess if there's one more reset before 3.0.8, I'll try it again just to see if I can set a new personal benchmark.
You can also put an empty WAV file in this location:
I'd be very wary about doing this, as it is technically a violation of Blizzards TOS (modifying game files). Warden will probably catch this, and they may get grumpy and crack down.
A lot of people on the official Customer Service Forum ask about modifying game files for things like this, and their stock answer has always been it's against the TOS. I'm not sure if anyone has ever been suspended/banned for it though.
With regards to changing the wav file, I don't suppose this is much different from the many hunters that change the gun sound to the same as the bow (or something else that's less offensive). Obviously any changes are done at a users risk though.
The main reason for my post was in response to Sean above.
I notice you have stated that you stay in AotB the the entire encounter and that the DPS is comparable if not better than with AotD. If this is the case, would a build such as THIS start to become a viable option.
It should lead to a more sturdy pet while maintaining the damage. Or I may have missed the point completely.
During the non-dance phase? I didn't do anything special. I just have healers who can keep everyone up on top of healing my pet. That's more about the curing than anything else though, Mend Pet +JoL easily heals through floor splashes - it's just the disease you have to watch for.
And AotB isn't "comparable" to Hawk - it blows it away. Our last "Live" spreadsheet just didn't reflect the +20% (25% with Glyph) AP from it. You do need to be really AP heavy though. I'm also geared to the teeth and only not-maxed in four slots (Flagrant Prowess BP, Torn Web Wrapping Belt, Drape of the Deadly Foe, and Envoy Gun) not counting the crazy expensive Darkmoon card.
The problem with staying in AoB is that it only works where you pet can stay and beat on the boss consistently. Any fight where you have to move your pet and/or something that is much more than tank and spank and you've now gimped yourself by 50+ paper doll dps or more. Not to mention that you sacrifice a glyph.
Don't get me wrong, fights like patchwerk are made for this, but something like OS and this doesn't work.
I notice you have stated that you stay in AotB the the entire encounter and that the DPS is comparable if not better than with AotD. If this is the case, would a build such as THIS start to become a viable option.
It should lead to a more sturdy pet while maintaining the damage. Or I may have missed the point completely.
Sean's build is more elegant than a 50/21/0, build in that it has fewer peaks and valleys. In something like a 2.5 minute fight it comes down to whether you want +3% increased shot damage or an extra TBW and Rapid Fire. The last time I used Aspect of the Beast for an entire fight, I had about 3500 RAP w/o Hawk...now I have 4339 RAP w/o Hawk so the difference should be dramatic. Hopefully the patch doesn't come out next week so I can see the numbers for themselves.
For 3.0.8 everything is moot because almost all of us will be Survival spec...
Originally Posted by Cranch
I found your 4.8k dps on Heigan much more interesting. How did you keep your pet positioned properly to avoid the floor splashes?
I don't manage my pet at all on that fight, except to recall him during P2. Even when the pet takes splash damage, it typically takes less than 2000 damage thanks to avoidance. Also note that both our pets are scorpids with2/2 Blood of the Rhino and probaly around 25K HP fully buffed. There is usually enough incidental healing to keep it up as long as your disease curing classes don't suck.
Originally Posted by DTigerFan
The problem with staying in AoB is that it only works where you pet can stay and beat on the boss consistently. Any fight where you have to move your pet and/or something that is much more than tank and spank and you've now gimped yourself by 50+ paper doll dps or more. Not to mention that you sacrifice a glyph.
Don't get me wrong, fights like patchwerk are made for this, but something like OS and this doesn't work.
On most fights where you have to manage your pet, you have to move a bit too.
It works because every component of Hawk is a flat increase. The extra AP? Flat DPS increase. The haste proc? In practice is is a flat DPS increase. When you have Beast on though, you are getting a scalar AP bonus to your pet based on your raid buffed AP. In current raids with best in slot gear, that works out to be way more than the 390 AP and haste that you lose.
OS, P2 Heigan, P2 Anub, what else? Gimmick fights like Thaddius do favor Hawk for obvious reasons.
It works on every single fight in Naxx with ease. The only boss that my pet isn't on 100% of the time is Kel'Thuzad for a quick void zone pull back on occasion and Heigan during DDR (quick switch to Hawk during that). on Anub it's a quick hop to the single Crypt Guard spawn when he locusts (we're almost to the point where he'll die before that) and then back on to him. It also isn't a loss on Malygos, though I do switch to Hawk for P2. The DPS gain on the pet is also so much that it's worth using on Thaddius too - I pulled 8400 on that fight with Beast up.
And on Sarth it's not a loss as long as you have tanks who are competent with Drake positioning. If you're having to move your pet a ton during Sarth you're doing something wrong.
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but whey spec 3/3 into Cobra Strikes? I thought I read somewhere (I think here) that Cobra Strikes was of better use if you used a cat not a scorpid?
Proof of what? 8400 DPS is definitely attainable in either Aspect so long as the kill is fast / people don't die. Now proof that the extra 600 or so DPS from your pet while in Beast outweighs the difference in shot damage x2? It's close. I have about 300 shot DPS on Sean in a longer Patchwerk kill at the expense of 600 more pet DPS. Given similar kill times, my Thaddius DPS would be right about the same.
Originally Posted by dotcow
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but whey spec 3/3 into Cobra Strikes? I thought I read somewhere (I think here) that Cobra Strikes was of better use if you used a cat not a scorpid?
Given the length of boss encounters, you're most likely not going to gain an extra BW by taking 3/3 Longevity. On a <3:00 Patchwerk, you're going to get 3 BWs with your Readiness spec no matter what you do. Those points can either be put into something else and wasted, or they can be placed into the only talent left that directly increases your DPS. And having your Scorpid's claw go from about 40% crit to 70% crit is a pretty big deal.
I was under the impression your pet didn't receive the buff multiplier (on thaddius), so you'd end up benefiting less from the pet than from your shots (so, Beast would be a bad choice here).
I was under the impression your pet didn't receive the buff multiplier (on thaddius), so you'd end up benefiting less from the pet than from your shots (so, Beast would be a bad choice here).
It doesn't get a charge, but it's doing 600 more DPS with Beast on every fight. I'm doing 300 more shot DPS on normal fights while using Hawk, which translates into about 600 DPS on Thaddius.
Given the length of boss encounters, you're most likely not going to gain an extra BW by taking 3/3 Longevity.
This was my reasoning for going 3/3 CS this week, but I wasn't expecting the raid to go down to a 20 man so it backfired on me as our kill ended up being a lot longer than I wanted.
12/31/08, 2:23 AM
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