1600 DPS is basically pet attack and afk autoshot. You are doing something terribly terribly wrong if this is your top end.

The explosive shot change was mentioned (down the exact coefficient in the recent patch notes).

@ Reps:

Pre-heroic dps often isn't far from afk-autoshoot because of how often things will die before you really get started, particularly if you aren't spamming Volley to pad the meters. Warlocks have similar problems in those situations. If your dps on specific bosses is that low, then that's one thing, but it almost seems as though you're speaking generally about the entire run.

And while I'm pretty sure you already did it, I'll mention it for the sake of completeness, which is to double check that your damage meter is merging your pet's damage with yours.

to be honest with higher hit you should see a drastic improvement, as currently you are running quite low on it. And as has also been said enchants and gems will also help you push your dps higher.

which trinket would be a better choice? [Bandit's Insignia] or [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] ty.

[Darkmoon Card: Greatness], If I really had to say more.

Hi, can anyone give me some advice on how i can improve my dps. I think i have decent gear and good stats but when doing naxx 10 man today Military and construct, as per recount i ended up with 1800 dps. I just think that seems low especially with some of the post stating they have 3000+ dps. I usually use serpent sting and steady shot. My arnory link is The World of Warcraft Armory
My pet is a core hound. Maybe its my shoy rotation? Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks,
Vinny

#showtooltip Auto Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/script UIErrorsFrame:UnregisterEvent("UI_ERROR_MESSAGE");
/cast [modifier:shift] Serpent Sting <-- what does that one do?
/cast Kill Shot
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Steady Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1

I had a quick question about optimizing steady shot dps. I'm a fairly new hunter raid-wise, but I've been making an effort to learning the function of the macros and information you guys have here.

My only confusion is the method that you guys use not to clip your steady shots due to the very fast speed of the cast. Do you guys have any suggestions on what I should be following to consistently chain steady even while quick shots/rapid fire/heroism is active? I've seen some cast sequence macros, but wasn't sure how to use them. Should I simply be attempting to follow the GCD - and if so, can anyone suggest methods or mods to make this easier (rather than estimating the GCD on the ability icons). I do use quartz, and I seem to remember a GCD timer, should I use that? or are there other options.

been reading this forum for a while now and have sorted some bm-issues out myself by reading it. im currently doing 4.4k dps on patchwerk wich seems to be a medioker number for a bm-hunter before p-nerf 3.0.8. iv've been reading about alot of hunters managing to pull of 6-7k on pw, and ofc I evidently needs some help to increese my dps further..

this is how I play:
glyphs: steady shot/huntersmark/beastialwrath

Macro:
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/castsequence reset=3 Steady Shot, Auto Shot
/cast [exists,target=pettarget] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show()

spec: 51/20/00 (my own build, not the comon one) not worth speccing readiness since its useless in ptr 3.0.8

rotation: I spam the macro as hard as it can be spammed, keep the serpent sting up at all times and weaving in arcane shot and multishot whenever gcd is ready or its possible.. while im doing this im constantly staying in asp d-hawk, wich works since I never go Oom(spec and shpriests totems etc!). and other than this I pop the trinket and bloodfury at the right times and as often as it allows. besides this im using a cat as pet (I know that the scorpid puts out more dps atm)..

questions:

A: is It worth speccing 3/3 in improved hunters Mark and also 3/3 in imp arcaneshot.. If not, what should I spec instead?

B: quit playing wow this summer and started 2 weeks before wotlk release and kept the same macro as I've had used in TBC, have seen a few macros in this thread wich one is to prefer, or shall I keep the old one?

C: havent got the best gear yet but I think I think its decent compared to my other guildmembers, are there any other changes/improvments I can make to imp my dps further (rotationwise etc)?

D: what is the prefered classes to be grouped with as a hunter in a 25 man raid? dps warr,retri pala enhance sha? in what group is the scalling best?


hope anyone can help me, it feels like I'm a bit stuck atm?

pardon if my spelling sucks, im from sweden

You won't hit 6-7k numbers on Patchwerk unless you take advantage of Readiness and have a properly coordinated raid setup. You're comparing your own numbers to the numbers of people who did spec Readiness, so if you aren't willing to spec it then there's not much point in worrying about where you might be falling short.

You almost gave yourself all of the answers to the dps gap.
You dont use the readiness build and you dont use a scorpid. Thats already the largest chunk of it. Your gear is fine, even if there are some % lost, if you really compare to the best you could get. Your also wasting a bit of dps with the hunters mark glyph and especially with the hunters mark talent.
That will be about it.

Edit: damn, took me 7 minutes to write that?

You macro is very bad. You are going to synthetically force a 1:1 rotation on yourself using castsequence like that
Basically the crux of a BM macro currently would be:
/cast kill shot
/cast steady shot
/cast !auto shot
and its only purpose is to fire kill shot when it is available, and start with auto instead of steady. Its not a matter of implementing a rotation through a macro anymore.

As far as groups go, essentailly every buff is raid wide now, so it doesn't matter, although if you raid with a HAT rogue, they will want you, but that is their issue.

The rest of your questions are covered extensively by this thread already, beginning at the original post, which is still relevant (aside from the one 50/21 spec discussed).

By: Breakerone

besides readiness build, and the fact I use a cat instead of scorpid I would interpret by your answer that I should change my Hm-glyph to serpentsting and drop the points in HM. would you suggest me to drop the points in arcane shot too and go with 5/5 imp tracking instead?

By Faerdael
I found this earlier in the thread will that work better:

#showtooltip Auto Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/script UIErrorsFrame:UnregisterEvent("UI_ERROR_MESSAGE");
/cast Kill Shot
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Steady Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1

tks for the help btw..

I think you should wait with your spec now until the patch hits this week or the next, or you will have to spent some gold again, because the spec from today will not be viable anymore. But yes, in any case, do not use the hunters mark glyph in its current state and also avoid the HM talent. Apart from that, try to read up on the last 5 pages of the ptr 3.08 thread, it has some extensive infos on how to spec for which purpose after the patch goes live.

Somebody gave me the haste gem for free, and the stam gem was the best blue on I could find. (And I needed blue for my meta gem). Anyway, I said to hell with it and respecced me, my pet, and my glyphs. Incredible difference. I can hit 1600 in heroics easily even with my current gear. Ran naxx and I was doing 2.6k dps even though I'm hardly geared. And since the group sucked, the only person out dpsing me was a boomkin doing about 400 more than me. Still, it was nice to be the second highest on the list. The funny part is when we got to the boss, I knew more about him than anybody else even though I had never ran.

Edit: I don't believe my pet dps is merging with my overall dps. How do I change that?

Edit2: If it is merging, I don't know what I'm doing wrong. My spec is good now, my gear isn't horrible, I do the correct rotation: Serpent Sting followed by Steady Shot until I reapply Serpent Sting with Multishots stuck in when the cooldown is off and there are multiple targets. My pet is on defensive with it's main attack and the focus sink on autocast. I have dragonhawk on until I have to turn on AotV. I can't think of anything else I could be doing wrong. If I look at recount, I only miss about 2% of the time, which translates (at my current dps) to 32 missing dps. Also, if 1600 dps is so horrible, why am I always top dps? The most I've even seen anybody do in a heroic is 1900 dps and that person was naxx geared.

Edit3: I'm talking about heroic 5mans. Not heroic raids. Incase there was any confusion.

Purple and Green gems also count as Blue in addition to either Red or Yellow. Just because the equipment has a Blue gem slot does not mean that you need to limit the gem selection to Blue gems in order to meet metagem and/or gem bonus requirements.

The thing is I don't see why my dps is so much lower than yours for example. Your stats may be better (agi and AP for the most part) but that's to be expected with SV. My pet will do much more damage. I don't see how that makes a 600dps difference, especially since BM is supposed to be the stronger spec with the current live patch. Are there no talented people on my server?

One problem I ran into one day was all my pet abilities where randomly turned off. I didn't realize this for a few days and saw an almost 1k loss in dps. I slid these abilities onto my pet bar and never had the problem again. This Maybe a long shot, but it might be causing your problem.

Well, here's a few points for you to keep in mind as well then, from what I can see on armory.

1. Your to-hit is at 2.68%. You're missing 2.32% of your attacks on average, and your pet is missing 5.32% since Focused Aim does not transfer to your pet. Work on getting some more hit and your dps should rise quite a bit, since your pet is ~40% of your dps. I see you have 1 Fang of Truth; try using 2 of them, perhaps even with Accuracy on both if you know someone that has it; failing that, either Exceptional Agility or as high a 1h +AP enchant you can find.

2. You only have 2.5k AP; work on finding some trinkets, gems, etc to boost that up! AP is a BM's bread and butter, more than either MM or SV. Some +32 AP gems in your boots would work nicely, for starters. Also, I see you're using the Argent horn; I did as well for a while, and after comparing it to a straight crit or hit trinket, I found that its proc was unreliable. That's my opinion, however.

3. You haven't specified what pet you use; I would recommend a Cat or Raptor personally for a BM, but you can easily read this thread (if you haven't already) for pros/cons of pets to help maximize your dps there.

4. Your MM tree looks a little scattered; You probably only need 1 point in GftT, and you might want to consider moving some of Mortal Shots into Imp. Arcane Shot and include that in your rotation if you don't already. Or, consider moving some points to Imp Tracking for a flat increase in all of your damage.

...type of posts. That being said, if constructive criticism is being offered, I'll happily accept advice.

Here's my armory link:
The World of Warcraft Armory
Until yesterday I was using a 50/21/0 build but kept coming across information/posts that had me thinking readiness wasn't granting me extra TBW's and the points were best spent in the 50/17/4 build I have (stam vs. hawk in tier 1 of BM tree for PvP considerations as is taking Aimed Shot).

I find myself trailing other hunters and being middle of the road in some guild raids period. I use a laptop that is WiFi connected to a cable modem...can that be an issue? Also we are on a ridiculously high population server and Naxx LAG is sometimes ridiculous.

This is a WWS from last night's Thad try:
Wow Web Stats

Here's a Noth kill that I was at the top with the other 2 hunters under my old build:
Wow Web Stats

I'm quite new to WWS, is there something glaring that they are doing that I am not? Is the connection a big issue? Is the build (though the one report listed last shows me hanging with them, our officer has posted others where I haven't and I easily have comparable gear to them IMO).

EDIT: (I use a cat, Pet Calculator - Wowhead

Any advice is appreciated.

Here's what I found out. My pet's dps was being included in my overall dps, but it wasn't showing for some reason, so I had to display the pet damage separately as well as being included. After doing that, my dps on the first mob of H Nexus was around 2.2k. But once I started killing more guys, and I wasn't able to attack each for as long, my dps slipped down to about 1900. When I looked at the dps for just fighting the first boss, it was around 2200. So I can do above 2k burst, and around 1900 sustained. The sad part is how much my server sucks. My pet was doing between 900 and 1000 dps the entire time, which is how much each of the other dps spots were doing.

So I'm convinced my server is awful. The order was
1.Repsacrelyt 1900
2.Crucifixwolf 1200 (tank)
3.Core Hound 1000 (I know, I need a better pet)
4.DPS#2 1000
5.DPS#3 980
6.Healer 36

And everybody said they were good dps and experienced.


Btw, does anybody else have a problem getting a group together for H Nexus? I spent the better part of an hour getting a tank and healer for the instance, and the healer was so bad we ended breaking up before we killed the second boss. Or any instance ingeneral?

I've been reading this topic every week or so, and was hoping for some direct questions to the answers I could never really figure out. I get most of what is posted here, but sometimes all the data is overwhelming/buried.

Few questions as a NE hunter using a scorpid. I'm currently putting out ~4700 dps on Patchwerk and was looking on ways to bolster that past 5k if possible.

1) Should I spec 3/3 Cobra Strikes and 1/3 Longevity? (was 3/3 Longevity and 0/3 Cobra)

2) I currently have to put 2/3 into Focused Aim. Should I put 3 points into Imp Stings or full GftT and Rapid Killing, or 3/5 Efficiency?

3) Worth it to glyph and go full Aspect of the Beast?

4) Should I be gemming ap or agil? (currently 16ap/8crit & 16ap/3mp5 to get meta + rest 32 ap gems)

5) How should I spec my scorpid?

I just respecced and I'm trying to hit higher numbers in my guilds 25s. I've been #1 consistently, but now the locks and fury warriors are catching up. Plus want to stay a few more steps above the raids other hunter

My armory is here