Beast Mastery Bible 3.0 - Page 4

Scio · 10/23/08, 4:53 PM

Originally Posted by Mattaos

Until the next patch when Rabid is fixed it is the only ability necessary to be included in a macro to ensure it triggers every CD. Claw and Rake can be left on autocast and will trigger consistently all by themselves. The only factor that would cause either Claw or Rake to not trigger consistency is your pet being focus starved, which is remedied by dropping at least 1 point into GFTT.

Yes you can put them on autocast and never bother again but i've seen in quite a few targetdummy tests that Claw can get priority over Rake when left on autocast. Im not saying it happens often but it DO happen and this is how you min max pet damage.

You end up in a very bad noncritt streak and pet gets 25 focus, blows it on claw even tho rake is off CD.
Until next patch where Rake is reduced to 20 focus I can recommend using this to keep the bleed rolling.

Mefistofoles · 10/23/08, 6:16 PM

With the release of 3.0, and autoshot now an instant attack, I've got a question about haste.

I am a BM hunter, and previously I was trying to keep my passive haste speed at about 1.9 so that I didn't run into clipping when active hastes proced (Bloodlust, Imp AotH, Rapid Fire, etc.).

My question is, now that Auto is instant cast, and is seemingly only affected by weapon speed, would it now be beneficial, or at least not detrimental, to exceed a 1.5 fully hasted speed, knowing that steady shot still won't haste past 1.5 seconds (and isn't supposed to be clipping autos anymore)?

vexibus · 10/23/08, 6:38 PM

Hello to all hunters..

I am recently going through a lot of wws logs and cant help myself noticing the BM hunters extensively use Volley in their rotations... Could someone comment on this?

Kamaa · 10/23/08, 6:48 PM

Originally Posted by vexibus

Hello to all hunters..

I am recently going through a lot of wws logs and cant help myself noticing the BM hunters extensively use Volley in their rotations... Could someone comment on this?

I think you must be mistaken. The only alternative is that you are looking at either Felmyst or trash mob WWS. I can assure you hunters do not and should not be using Volley in their rotations except to aoe in very specific scenarios.

buzzy_ · 10/23/08, 9:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mattaos

which makes the gorilla an ideal tanking pet. The TStomp does not have a limit on the number of targets it hits, so it makes for an awesome pet to clean up bad pulls or accidental aggro issues.

I was thinking to use as a tank a Warp Stalker for lvling, the idea comes bcoz it has Warp which allow you to skip Charge saving 1 pet TP that could be use in avoidance... something like this.

What do you think about?

Decker · 10/24/08, 1:21 AM

Originally Posted by vexibus

Hello to all hunters..

I am recently going through a lot of wws logs and cant help myself noticing the BM hunters extensively use Volley in their rotations... Could someone comment on this?

Depends on what they're fighting.

Try Volley in a large group and look at your DPS. Volley does a lot of damage now.

While doing BT trash it's quick to DPS down large groups of Undead.

Drrakkainen · 10/24/08, 2:41 AM

one thing

Even with incoming nerfs (balancing) to cat and scorpid dps do you think they will fall with dps below exotic pets like Devilsaur? At lvl 70 I don't think so, taking Devilsaur will still mean you don't have 1/2 GftT so any pet should beat it. So real testing will start at lvl 71

and thanks for previous answers!

Bluesfear · 10/24/08, 2:51 AM

Originally Posted by buzzy_

I was thinking to use as a tank a Warp Stalker for lvling, the idea comes bcoz it has Warp which allow you to skip Charge saving 1 pet TP that could be use in avoidance... something like this.

What do you think about?

The point of using gorilla is cause it can use TS to aoe tank mobs and it also generates a lot of threat.

I wouldn't skip charge to put a point in avoidance as it doesn't really benefit you as much in terms of helping you leveling.

Derchizul · 10/24/08, 3:17 AM

Gorilla is the king of grinding imo, let it pickup 7-8 lvl70 mobs, fire a thunderstomp or two and then volley them down, 2x t5 helps alot here. While you loot, the gorilla picks up the next group destined for destuction. Dont think a warp stalker will be able to beat that.

Tashia · 10/24/08, 3:43 AM

Originally Posted by Derchizul

Gorilla is the king of grinding imo, let it pickup 7-8 lvl70 mobs, fire a thunderstomp or two and then volley them down, 2x t5 helps alot here. While you loot, the gorilla picks up the next group destined for destuction. Dont think a warp stalker will be able to beat that.

About this gorila pet...I was looking on pets models and skills on petopia and noticed something:

Gorila has:
Thunderstomp 25 Focus 10 sec CD
Shakes the ground with thundering force, doing [rank] Nature damage to all enemies within 8 yards. This ability causes a moderate amount of additional threat.

Rank: 6 lvl: 80 dmg: 236 to 334

Rhino has:
Stampede no focus cost 1 min cooldown
Your rhino slams nearby enemies within 10 yards, causing [rank] damage and knocking them back 15 yards.

Rank: 6 lvl: 80 dmg: 91 to 123

The question would be, why is the gorila so much better than the rhino?? it's not even an exotic pet, which rhino is..
Is not the goal of the BM 51 point talent to give us the best pets in any situation (tanking/dps/pvp)? From what I see here I wouldnt take a rhino over the gorila in any situation...why make the rhino then? Am I missing something? Even if Stampede costs no focus from what I see...it by far worse than Thunderstomp...Do any of you see any situation where Stampede could be better than Thunderstomp?

Or does the Rhino has Stampede AND Thunderstomp?

Vegelus · 10/24/08, 4:12 AM

edit: nvm, delete please.

samfisher · 10/24/08, 5:11 AM

Originally Posted by Casadofeliz

I understand that your post was referring to pets to begin with, but the way this is worded it makes it seem as though hunters (ranged physical attacks more specifically) benefit from Expertise, which they don't. Of course if this has changed, let me know so I can edit my post.

Sry, should have said it still only applies to Melee. For ranged, there's no dodge to worry about once hit cap is reached (at least that's what months of testing seem to show).

Lactose · 10/24/08, 9:13 AM

Hit Rating on gear is transferred 1:1 to the pet.
The hit chance gain from Focused Aim talent also affects pet hit chance.

Mattaos · 10/24/08, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Tashia

About this gorila pet...I was looking on pets models and skills on petopia and noticed something:

Gorila has:
Thunderstomp 25 Focus 10 sec CD
Shakes the ground with thundering force, doing [rank] Nature damage to all enemies within 8 yards. This ability causes a moderate amount of additional threat.

Rank: 6 lvl: 80 dmg: 236 to 334

Rhino has:
Stampede no focus cost 1 min cooldown
Your rhino slams nearby enemies within 10 yards, causing [rank] damage and knocking them back 15 yards.

Rank: 6 lvl: 80 dmg: 91 to 123

The question would be, why is the gorila so much better than the rhino?? it's not even an exotic pet, which rhino is..
Is not the goal of the BM 51 point talent to give us the best pets in any situation (tanking/dps/pvp)? From what I see here I wouldnt take a rhino over the gorila in any situation...why make the rhino then? Am I missing something? Even if Stampede costs no focus from what I see...it by far worse than Thunderstomp...Do any of you see any situation where Stampede could be better than Thunderstomp?

Or does the Rhino has Stampede AND Thunderstomp?

The word track used to describe the Thunderstomp immediately makes the Gorilla favored. Some other things to consider when comparing these two abilities is the effect they have on mobs or groups of mobs. TC will slam the target(s) just like Thunderclap from a warrior effecting only the immediate area around the Gorilla. The Rhino actually knocksback the mob(s) several yards. The knockback (that used to be 15 yards, but has been nerfed to X yards[?]) has the potential of aggroing more mobs. The Rhino also lacks the ability to gather up multiple mobs quickly and efficiently like the Gorilla.

The mention of the Warp Stalker is interesting when you read its special ability.

Warp
30 yd range
Instant 15 sec cooldown
Teleports to an enemy up to 30 yards away and gives the pet a 50% chance to avoid the next 3 melee attacks. Lasts 4 sec.

I can see the logic is skipping Charge (25 second CD) if using this pet. The Warp ability lacks a 1 sec stun or AP boost, but a 50% chance to dodge the next 3 attacks is kind of nice with a shorter CD than Charge.

Personally, I am still sold on the Gorilla. The additional threat mechanic and the overall power of Thunderstomp is too nice to pass up. By simply macroing TC into your Steady Shot and leaving it on autocast ensures it triggers regardless of single mob tanking or multiple mob tanking.

Originally Posted by vexibus

Hello to all hunters..

I am recently going through a lot of wws logs and cant help myself noticing the BM hunters extensively use Volley in their rotations... Could someone comment on this?

On this topic, last night I ran with a guildie in his alt's guild thru Hyjal. This was the first time I have really had the chance to open up the power of the new Volley and was blown away. I have read multiple posts about how insane Volley is and have even experienced a little while farming with my Gorilla. I do not have the ability to post the screenshot (cannot locate my screenshot folder since patch 3.0.2) of my Recount and I will see if anyone was running a WWS. For the entire run I did approx. 8 million damage and 4.7 million of that was from Volley alone (46% crit rate).

So, for large AoE pulls like in Hyjal Volley was not added to my "rotation," but was the only shot I was using the entire time.

Bluesfear · 10/24/08, 10:42 AM

The pet's AI and autocast skills are really messed up. Sometimes my gorilla will just continue to use focus dump and not use TS at all even with an abundance of focus. I really hope this get fixed in 3.0.3 so we don't have to keep marcoing everything.