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Old 01/20/09, 2:31 AM   #976
Faerdael
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Originally Posted by hailjh View Post
I've been reading this topic every week or so, and was hoping for some direct questions to the answers I could never really figure out. I get most of what is posted here, but sometimes all the data is overwhelming/buried.

Few questions as a NE hunter using a scorpid. I'm currently putting out ~4700 dps on Patchwerk and was looking on ways to bolster that past 5k if possible.

1) Should I spec 3/3 Cobra Strikes and 1/3 Longevity? (was 3/3 Longevity and 0/3 Cobra)

2) I currently have to put 2/3 into Focused Aim. Should I put 3 points into Imp Stings or full GftT and Rapid Killing, or 3/5 Efficiency?

3) Worth it to glyph and go full Aspect of the Beast?

4) Should I be gemming ap or agil? (currently 16ap/8crit & 16ap/3mp5 to get meta + rest 32 ap gems)

5) How should I spec my scorpid?

I just respecced and I'm trying to hit higher numbers in my guilds 25s. I've been #1 consistently, but now the locks and fury warriors are catching up. Plus want to stay a few more steps above the raids other hunter

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Your armory is in your profile, no need to relink it .
To surmise what you are asking, the answers are as follows:

1) Yes. 1/3 Longevity, 3/3 Cobra Strikes in a Readiness build.

2) You have 197 hit rating (6.01% to hit). Its pretty well settled here that 8% is the cap, and since presumably you have a dranaei, you will only need 1% more. 1 point in Focused would get that, however, Focused Aim doesn't transfer over to your pet, so using [Snapper Extreme] and not speccing focused aim would probably be a better choice.

Other than that, I think the standard maxing of Lethal Shots, Mortal Shots, Careful Aim, Rapid Killing, GfTT, Imp Stings and Readiness is the way to go. You do have 30% unbuffed crit however, so dropping a point out of GfTT into IHM, or Efficiency (if you are finding yourself in Viper currently) are options

3) With a scorpid, going Aspect of the Beast while under Beastial Wrath is very good, since it will bring up the damage from poison ticks considerably. As far as Glyphing for it, I would think not. Beastial Wrath and Steady Shot are automatics, and Serpent Sting Glyph will likely yield better results.

4) Yes, AP, you are fine.

5) As long as you get Cobra Reflexes, Charge, Spiked Collar and Grace of the Mantis, it is really up to you. Its a tenacity pet, so a lot of its talents aren't meant to maximize dps.

Of course, once 3.0.8 hits, this is mostly moot. Only the answers your questions about Focused Aim and AP gemming/enchanting will still be accurate, and the rest legacy info.

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Old 01/20/09, 2:32 AM   #977
Garby
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Originally Posted by hailjh View Post
I've been reading this topic every week or so, and was hoping for some direct questions to the answers I could never really figure out. I get most of what is posted here, but sometimes all the data is overwhelming/buried.

Few questions as a NE hunter using a scorpid. I'm currently putting out ~4700 dps on Patchwerk and was looking on ways to bolster that past 5k if possible.

1) Should I spec 3/3 Cobra Strikes and 1/3 Longevity? (was 3/3 Longevity and 0/3 Cobra)

2) I currently have to put 2/3 into Focused Aim. Should I put 3 points into Imp Stings or full GftT and Rapid Killing, or 3/5 Efficiency?

3) Worth it to glyph and go full Aspect of the Beast?

4) Should I be gemming ap or agil? (currently 16ap/8crit & 16ap/3mp5 to get meta + rest 32 ap gems)

5) How should I spec my scorpid?

I just respecced and I'm trying to hit higher numbers in my guilds 25s. I've been #1 consistently, but now the locks and fury warriors are catching up. Plus want to stay a few more steps above the raids other hunter

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These are all questions you should resolve for yourself with Shandara's spreadsheet.

However, a few I can tell you offhand: You should never be getting +hit from Focused Aim, since it does not benefit your pets, and you should be gemming Attack Power.

You can also get your meta unlocked with one Enchanted Tear. I would really not recommend the MP5 hybrid gem, if you'd prefer to gem for socket bonuses.

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Old 01/20/09, 9:01 AM   #978
 Tobin
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Originally Posted by Dralmoo View Post
Do you keep your pet attacking during the Shadron+Vesperon phases? I find if I do so it usually dies to Twilight Torment.
On S+3 Normal I send my pet in briefly to attack and pull back when he gets low...usually within a couple of seconds. Generally the various Lava Strikes and Twilight Fissures (Void Blast) do not do enough damage to kill him because of Avoidance, so I usually pull the pet back later than I would personally stop shooting. Getting Twilight Torment crits for 6K + random collateral damage really sucks.

On S+3 Heroic, we have a group of 5 or so go into the portal realm and constantly kill the disciples inside so Twilight Torment isn't as much of an issue.

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Old 01/20/09, 7:13 PM   #979
Chul
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Has anyone checked Kindred Spirits on live now that 3.0.8 has hit? It was always broken on the PTR (was giving no additional pet damage), so it will be curious if this made it live. I'd check, but my account isn't active currently.

Originally Posted by Skillstep
Why is it that other classes feel whole and simple and fluid yet hunter feels like directing a symphony as a paraplegic midget with tourettes?

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Old 01/21/09, 10:10 AM   #980
Breakerone
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Some people are just incredible. Reading comprehension seems to be a rare thing these days.

Aside from that, did someone already check if all problems with longevity are solved on live concerning the cd conflicts with the pet specials? Because as of now the new spreadsheet shows me 3/3 longevity with 1/3 CS in front of 3/3 CS and 1/3 longevity, as opposed to before the patch. (Which has nothing to do with the previous problem, which only occured with 2/3 longevity)

It even looks like I will go 3/3 and 3/3 now, because it seem to give more dps then putting the two points into improved arcane, resulting in 52/12/7.
(I'm trying to stay BM for at least a week and see how it turns out, before starting to experiment with SV)

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Old 01/21/09, 11:16 AM   #981
Caedo
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Turalyon
This might be a stupid question, but since you will always prioritize Kill shot over steady shot, is there still no point to having a macro with just those two shots and weaving Arcane/Serpent yourself? You don't have the funky GCD issues because it is still just choosing between two shots, only one instant. I am not looking for a "faceroll" way to play, but I have a lot of shots hot-keyed already, and it seems like that might help reduce it.

I guess the question becomes one of timing with the reduction in the cooldown on Kill shot (I was rarely able to get a second one off in time before). You could get in a situation where you have less than 1.5 seconds of cooldown remaining on Kill Shot and you would get lower dps by firing a steady shot, which is what the macro would choose, instead of waiting and firing Kill Shot again. But that seems like it would be rare, or am I missing something?

A related question: what shots do people keep bound and within easy reach versus using the mouse? I know this is personal preference, but maybe there is some consensus, and i am just making things harder on myself by not following it.

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Old 01/21/09, 11:18 AM   #982
Ghumganuk
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From first post on this thread:

 
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:UnregisterEvent("UI_ERROR_MESSAGE");
/cast Kill Shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] <insert pet action here>*
/cast Steady Shot
I think its ok to still use this, I have been (without the pet action part)

EDIT: Fixed code tags.

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Old 01/21/09, 11:33 AM   #983
Juggen
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Stormscale (EU)
Hi i just have one question.
How are we gonna gem now when the pet is nerfed are we gonna gem ag now innstead of ap gems ??

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Old 01/21/09, 11:52 AM   #984
Faerdael
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Gilneas
Originally Posted by Juggen View Post
Hi i just have one question.
How are we gonna gem now when the pet is nerfed are we gonna gem ag now innstead of ap gems ??
No. AP still seems to be a better route by a decent margin for BM. Less so than before, but still definetely better. I'm revising gem index at the moment, but mainly affects other specs.

Last edited by Faerdael : 01/21/09 at 12:03 PM.

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Old 01/21/09, 12:07 PM   #985
Har
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Drenden
Originally Posted by Caedo View Post
This might be a stupid question, but since you will always prioritize Kill shot over steady shot, is there still no point to having a macro with just those two shots and weaving Arcane/Serpent yourself? You don't have the funky GCD issues because it is still just choosing between two shots, only one instant. I am not looking for a "faceroll" way to play, but I have a lot of shots hot-keyed already, and it seems like that might help reduce it.

I guess the question becomes one of timing with the reduction in the cooldown on Kill shot (I was rarely able to get a second one off in time before). You could get in a situation where you have less than 1.5 seconds of cooldown remaining on Kill Shot and you would get lower dps by firing a steady shot, which is what the macro would choose, instead of waiting and firing Kill Shot again. But that seems like it would be rare, or am I missing something?

A related question: what shots do people keep bound and within easy reach versus using the mouse? I know this is personal preference, but maybe there is some consensus, and i am just making things harder on myself by not following it.
Don't worry, your kill shot macros are still worth while. The only macros that the mods have been cracking down on are the cast-sequences that were written to allow a hunter to spam a macro instead of choosing their shots. Those usually don't work well, often reducing a hunter's DPS to below what they could get by choosing their shots themselves.

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Old 01/21/09, 12:26 PM   #986
Juggen
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Originally Posted by Faerdael View Post
No. AP still seems to be a better route by a decent margin for BM. Less so than before, but still definetely better. I'm revising gem index at the moment, but mainly affects other specs.
So in survival its god old ag gems then or ap in surv to ??

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Old 01/21/09, 12:32 PM   #987
Iru
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A brief read of the survival thread would answer this but yes, Agility > AP for survival

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Old 01/21/09, 1:01 PM   #988
ravenheratii
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Builds Now with 3.08

Anyone have new builds for BM for the new nerf patch or Build that is going to yield the Highest DPS now overall.

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Old 01/21/09, 1:06 PM   #989
Brutalus
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Originally Posted by ravenheratii View Post
Anyone have new builds for BM for the new nerf patch or Build that is going to yield the Highest DPS now overall.

There are a few examples in the Max DPS spreadsheet thread.

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Old 01/21/09, 1:59 PM   #990
Teallc
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Mannoroth
Now that we are in 3.0.8...I was wondering about Aimed Shot in BM? Is this a must, or are we just adding arcane to our rotation? Also, is BM still viable? I'm done with min maxing and doing things I don't like for a few extra DPS, but underpowered is underpowered. If BM is WAY WAY on the low end compared to the others I will have to stay Surv. As long as it's semi on par with the others, I would rather stick with BM and make it work, as it was the reason I rolled hunter.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 01/21/09, 3:58 PM   #991
Namless
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Gnomeregan
I was the cookie cutter BM/MM spec and tweaked the spec a little due to the 3.0.8 Patch. This is my WWS from Patchwerk this week: Wow Web Stats - 2900 DPS
This is my WWS from Patchwerk from the week before the patch: Wow Web Stats - 4200 DPS. So I guess its time to change specs.

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Old 01/21/09, 4:27 PM   #992
Souldark
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Namless: you aren't hard hit capped (your cat's got more misses than can just be attributed to expertise); your cat apparently wasn't using claw at all (that's about 100k damage missing); your usage of Arcane Shot seems a little lower than expected; there's no Kill Shots logged at all, no Serpent Stings logged at all, and why were you using Multishot?
All of the above will contribute to lower DPS now that Steady and Readiness'd BW aren't the be all, end all of BM damage.

Also no idea what your spec was like, since you're now Survival

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Old 01/21/09, 5:11 PM   #993
Iru
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Muradin
Originally Posted by Teallc View Post
Now that we are in 3.0.8...I was wondering about Aimed Shot in BM? Is this a must, or are we just adding arcane to our rotation? Also, is BM still viable? I'm done with min maxing and doing things I don't like for a few extra DPS, but underpowered is underpowered. If BM is WAY WAY on the low end compared to the others I will have to stay Surv. As long as it's semi on par with the others, I would rather stick with BM and make it work, as it was the reason I rolled hunter.
Generally the mana load and the pts required to get it that could be used elsewhere make Aimed Shot not worthwhile in a BM rotation. Arcane Short is a different matter of course; you should be firing that every time its up

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Old 01/21/09, 5:13 PM   #994
Khassandra
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Originally Posted by Namless View Post
I was the cookie cutter BM/MM spec and tweaked the spec a little due to the 3.0.8 Patch. This is my WWS from Patchwerk this week: Wow Web Stats - 2900 DPS
This is my WWS from Patchwerk from the week before the patch: Wow Web Stats - 4200 DPS. So I guess its time to change specs.
I am still BM/MM spec, tweaked since patch to take Imp AS. Last night on Patches, I was still able to pull 4100+ dps, which is a bit lower than I did pre-patch but is still respectable all things considered. I'm still spamming my Steady Shot/Kill Shot macro but also keeping Serpent Sting up the entire fight and manually weaving in Arcane Shot every 6 seconds (a 7100 AS crit is nothing to sneeze at, that thing hits like a truck so use it!).

BM may not show the numbers that we used to, and SV or MM may now out-dps us a bit, but BM is still a viable raid spec. Its just a bit harder to play well now.

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Old 01/21/09, 5:36 PM   #995
Namless
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Gnomeregan
My HR is 202 with 3/3 FA-Sorry I keep changing specs because I was shooting the dummny in IF. I was trying differen't shots. Our ret pally had to leave so I didn't use serpent sting. At this point I'm very open to suggestions

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Old 01/21/09, 5:50 PM   #996
Khassandra
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Originally Posted by Namless View Post
My HR is 202 with 3/3 FA-Sorry I keep changing specs because I was shooting the dummny in IF. I was trying differen't shots. Our ret pally had to leave so I didn't use serpent sting. At this point I'm very open to suggestions
Wait, what? What does a ret pally being there have to do with you using Serpent Sting?

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Old 01/21/09, 5:57 PM   #997
Faerdael
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Well, thats really not a fair parse to gauge by. You didn't cast serpent sting (presumably for mana reasons), but did cast multi? Frankly I don't understand that, you are trying to avoid viper apparently, but at the cost of not doing damage is self defeating.

Anyway, serpent sting was probably about a 300 dps loss that way, plus about 40 dps on the steady glyph lost. Claw is about 500 dps lost. I count 21 (I think) arcane shots. Thats about half of what you could have cast.

Hate to say it, but it was more about output than nerf.

You had 4 rapid fires, and 3 beasts within on a sub-4 minute fight, which tells me you were 50/21 readiness. Readiness build isn't the way to go right now, the last several pages hold some good ideas for specs. Some of them are quite good.

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Old 01/21/09, 6:32 PM   #998
Khassandra
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My spec may or may not be good, I'm not sure yet. During last night's Naxx run (I should probably mention it was a 10 man run, so my dps was pretty respectable I think considering the lack of full raid buffs), I had a slightly different spec. I had 2 points in Mortal Shots and 3 in Imp Tracking. After some discussion with my guild's hunter class lead, and after seeing someone here on EJ mention the viability of Invigoration (combined with the faster OOM of using multiple shots now), my current spec is what we came up with. We'll be doing Naxx25 tonight, so I'll see how I do then and will let you know.

Oh, I was also using a Devilsaur during last night's raid, and will be doing so again tonight.

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Old 01/22/09, 4:43 AM   #999
sovelis
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Emerald Dream (EU)
I went with my guild in Naxx25 yesterday evening for some tests after the patch but it was impossible due to a crazy lag. We instead went to VoA.

My priority as BM was to be full hit capped without using the Focused aim talents.I had 210 hit rating unbuffed, + 40 hit rating food, + i was in a dranei group for a total of 283 hit rating more than enough to reach the 8% cap.

I missed a total of 18 shots (shared between autoshot,SS and AS) and my pet missed 48 times (an average 20% of miss for every melee ability).

My spec now is 53/18/0 like i said without focused aim.Is it possible that the fixed the pve hit rating to 9% again?And that the pet doesn't get any hit from food and dranei?

Cause otherwise i can't explain that insane amount of misses from me,but especially from my pet.

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Old 01/22/09, 4:58 AM   #1000
Vitaro
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