Beast Mastery Bible 3.0 - Page 42

Dominek · 12/08/08, 8:28 AM

I'm trying to Setup a series of macros that will help me stick to a routine and cut down on the time it takes me to cast everything not only that but I spend a lot of time staring at my action bars when I should be looking at the fight.

What I'd like is a macro that will fire off Hunter's mark and Serpent Sting as I have glyphed steady shot into doing more damage when SS is up. I would just like less things to concentrate on during a boss a fight while maximizing dps.

I would like some feed back on consolidating buttons. Currently have the trinket from heroic nexus with 55 hit rating and increased AP with 2 min CD. I placed this in with BW and Kill Command as I would like to start using these abilities more during raids. Even if the trinket is on a fresh CD I will still have enough time during the fight to pop it again But chances are I will just wait to use the spell if I know I'm near a boss. Also I have Rapid fire and call of the wild consolidated. I took it upon myself however to apply readiness to the end of this. I have not tested this macro out to see if it will even work but i figured I would ask the pro's how to setup a decent macro list for my style of raiding.

How I would like buttons setup

Start Fight:
-Hunter's mark
-Serpent Sting

During fight:
-Kill Shot/Steady Shot
(applicable pet commands if it helps increase dps to controll pet abilities this way)

Periodic Casts:
-BW
-Kill Command
-Trinket

Boss Casts:
-Rapid Fire
(Pet command If applicable)
-Readiness

if you guys can help me set something like this up I would be more then appreciative.

EDIT**
Checked out the macro I made for readiness and Rapid Fire.. Neither Spell triggered a CD. I am at a complete loss on what I am doing wrong any assistance is appreciated.

Aern · 12/08/08, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Har

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums ->

Because the forums are down (for me), this is from the Google cache:

"Two changes coming up:

We aren't happy with how Aspect of the Viper is working in PvP, but it seems fine in PvE. We're going to try changing it so that 50% of its current regen is passive, leaving the remaining 50% active. That should give hunters some more mana in Arenas in particular when dealing with opponents who manage to get out of LOS a lot. Yet, in PvE where hunter dps is very high, the difference in regen shouldn't be very noticable. We are also going to let Viper return mana from melee attacks for those cases where a melee opponent is too close for comfort.

The second change is to some of the numbers on the special attacks of exotic pets to make sure the pets are around a 10% increase from normal pets. This should make exotic pets a reasonable benefit for the talent point (especially when you also count the bonus pet talents) without making every BM hunter feel like they are limited to just those pets. "

Yeah that post is from a rather long time ago when we were still in beta and blizz was screwing around with all sorts of stuff. An important little caveat was that they did not include devilsaur's monstrous bite in that buff so it ended up making almost no difference in how effective exotic pets were for raiding. Pretty sure that change went in in a beta build so I don't think we'll be seeing any pet dmg buffs anytime soon.

endgame · 12/08/08, 12:14 PM

Wondering if anyone had any new WWS reports or feedback on the debated question of :
AotB glyph or AotD?

From what I have read and my own math AotB is currently bugged granting 20% ap instead of 10% . AotB glyph grants 4% pet ap instead of 2%. Thats a total of 24% ap bounus! It's broken and ridiculously overpowered wouldnt that make it the obvious choice of glyph?

1 more off topic question. When you toggle off AotD after procing quick shots the proc remains. I have been thinking about toggling back to beast when I get a quick shots proc then back to Dragon whenever I need another proc. All this toggling of course would take place while SS is casting so I don't lose any GCD time. What do you guys think?

Sorry if this post is a bit all over the place I woke up with this stuff on my mind lol.

Allara · 12/08/08, 1:25 PM

Originally Posted by Dominek

What I'd like is a macro that will fire off Hunter's mark and Serpent Sting as I have glyphed steady shot into doing more damage when SS is up. I would just like less things to concentrate on during a boss a fight while maximizing dps.

Keep in mind that you can't write a macro that simultaneously casts more than one spell which initiates a global cooldown. So Hunter's Mark and Serpent Sting can't be cast at once from one keypress. The macros in the OP of this thread are a really great starting point to achieve what you're headed toward. In general: one macro for SS spam, one for BW + Kill Command, one for Rapid Fire + Call of the Wild, with your trinkets added to one or more of those. Readiness and Serpent Sting would be activated manually.

CrowneVict · 12/08/08, 3:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dominek

I'm trying to Setup a series of macros that will help me stick to a routine and cut down on the time it takes me to cast everything not only that but I spend a lot of time staring at my action bars when I should be looking at the fight.

What I'd like is a macro that will fire off Hunter's mark and Serpent Sting as I have glyphed steady shot into doing more damage when SS is up. I would just like less things to concentrate on during a boss a fight while maximizing dps.

I would like some feed back on consolidating buttons. Currently have the trinket from heroic nexus with 55 hit rating and increased AP with 2 min CD. I placed this in with BW and Kill Command as I would like to start using these abilities more during raids. Even if the trinket is on a fresh CD I will still have enough time during the fight to pop it again But chances are I will just wait to use the spell if I know I'm near a boss. Also I have Rapid fire and call of the wild consolidated. I took it upon myself however to apply readiness to the end of this. I have not tested this macro out to see if it will even work but i figured I would ask the pro's how to setup a decent macro list for my style of raiding.

How I would like buttons setup

Start Fight:
-Hunter's mark
-Serpent Sting

During fight:
-Kill Shot/Steady Shot
(applicable pet commands if it helps increase dps to controll pet abilities this way)

Periodic Casts:
-BW
-Kill Command
-Trinket

Boss Casts:
-Rapid Fire
(Pet command If applicable)
-Readiness

if you guys can help me set something like this up I would be more then appreciative.

EDIT**
Checked out the macro I made for readiness and Rapid Fire.. Neither Spell triggered a CD. I am at a complete loss on what I am doing wrong any assistance is appreciated.

Well, Here's what I use currently (and hopefully I get this right from memory, since i seem to have bad luck posting macro advice lol). I'll leave out the hide ui error frame and disable sound lines for now, since you can just add those into any macro (and I don't remember them off the top of my head)...

:: Hunter's Mark, Focus, and MD's ::

#showtooltip Hunter's Mark
/cast [harm] Hunter's Mark
/focus [help]
^Should let you mark a mob, or focus a Tank.

#showtooltip Misdirection
/cast [target=focus] misdirection
/assist focus
^Quick MD's for the MT on a pull.

:: Shot Rotation #1 - Kill / Steady Spam ::
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/cast kill shot
/castrandom steady shot

:: Shot Rotation #2 - Kill / Steady Spam w/ Pet Agro ::
/petdefensive
/cast kill shot
/castrandom steady shot
^Lots of variations of the above that do the same thing.

:: Serpent Sting / Instant casts for spamming in mid-air or on the run ::
#showtooltip Serpent Sting
/cast kill shot
/castsequence reset=target/3 serpent sting, arcane shot, arcane shot, arcane shot
^Spamming this will keep the 3 second reset from kicking in, and let you kite with arcane. Hitting it once will refresh your sting, or kill shot if it's up. More for PvE kiting, or moving during aoe phases. Add the following if you want:
/castrandom Concussive Shot
^Should prioritize kill shot > serpent sting / arcane (when spammed) > concussive shot between those when off CD

:: Recall Pet / Cancel Attack ::
/stopcasting
/petpassive
/cast dash
/cast mend pet
^Must be something to use in addition to /stopcasting, since this doesn't work 100% reliably for me...? The concept is fine though... cancel all attacks, call the pet back from an AoE using Dash to get it to you quicker, heal the pet.

:: 1337 Deeps ::
/cast Rapid Fire
/castrandom Beastial Wrath
/cast Kill Command
/use 13
^Modify with trinkets or whatever...? Needs 2 GCD's I think.

I don't macro readiness, since I always seem to mess it up somehow... I leave it on it's own keybind for now. Also, not sure why I'm in the habit of using /castrandom... I think I ran into some issues back on the PTR, and it just stuck with me.

flimflam · 12/08/08, 4:27 PM

Originally Posted by endgame

Wondering if anyone had any new WWS reports or feedback on the debated question of :
AotB glyph or AotD?

From what I have read and my own math AotB is currently bugged granting 20% ap instead of 10% . AotB glyph grants 4% pet ap instead of 2%. Thats a total of 24% ap bounus! It's broken and ridiculously overpowered wouldnt that make it the obvious choice of glyph?

1 more off topic question. When you toggle off AotD after procing quick shots the proc remains. I have been thinking about toggling back to beast when I get a quick shots proc then back to Dragon whenever I need another proc. All this toggling of course would take place while SS is casting so I don't lose any GCD time. What do you guys think?

Sorry if this post is a bit all over the place I woke up with this stuff on my mind lol.

Wow Web Stats: Here's a 10m naxx with scorpid where i switched to AOTB every BW cooldown (i blew first cooldowns early @ 2 stacks on accident)

I don't have a non scorpid wws though to compare to though.

KraxisSingular · 12/08/08, 5:17 PM

Of course AotB will be better with pure physical pets like Cats, Devilsaur and Raptors. Pets like Spirit Beasts and Scorpids get less benefit since their attacks scale off the spellpower portion, something that is only boosted by our AP (RAP or MAP? MAP could explain why some say pet spellattacks increase in Beast). Even if their spellpower is boosted by our boosted MAP, I really don't think it can match the scaling physical pets get.

Mr Tazza · 12/08/08, 5:26 PM

Hello, I have a question about an item: Chestguard of Flagrant Prowess.

Does anyone know if this item actually exists? Wowhead says its from Sartharion with 0.2% drop chance, Armory doesn't even say where does it drop from (The World of Warcraft Armory), and Mmo-champion also says its from 25m Sartharion (normal drop, doesn't need drakes up).

Still I didn't see anyone wearing it or seeing it drop, perhaps someone in here can help me! Thanks in advance.

Vaxum · 12/08/08, 5:43 PM

Dropped for us (grats Zina) in a 10man Sartharian with 3 drakes up.

endgame · 12/08/08, 9:29 PM

Originally Posted by KraxisSingular

Of course AotB will be better with pure physical pets like Cats, Devilsaur and Raptors. Pets like Spirit Beasts and Scorpids get less benefit since their attacks scale off the spellpower portion, something that is only boosted by our AP (RAP or MAP? MAP could explain why some say pet spellattacks increase in Beast). Even if their spellpower is boosted by our boosted MAP, I really don't think it can match the scaling physical pets get.

From reading multiple previous posts and my own testing I'm pretty sure your wrong. I think aotb works better with a scorpid because the scorpid poisons scale with ap. Once stacked they don't miss can't be parried,dodged or mitigated by armor. The poison also ticks twice as hard as any physical *crit* a cat or dev. attack could put out. You need to be fully raid buffed to get the full effect. On a target dummy my pet poison ticks for 1200 unbufffed the tick gains 100dmg for every 200 ap gain(You can test this out yourself on a dummy). My pet gains nearly 3k ap raid buffed and aotb up. So if my math is correct raid buffed I plan on getting 3700k scorpid ticks and 5200 with tbw + trinkets . Im testing it this week in naxx. In heroics my math so far has been right on the money. Scorpid > all . Untill the nerf that is =D
Same thing happened in BC the first few months with scorpids.

endgame · 12/08/08, 9:42 PM

Originally Posted by flimflam

Wow Web Stats: Here's a 10m naxx with scorpid where i switched to AOTB every BW cooldown (i blew first cooldowns early @ 2 stacks on accident)

I don't have a non scorpid wws though to compare to though.

Perfect example of how op scorpid is. His poisons did more dmg then his SS and his pet did more dmg overall then he did. I can't wait to test out my scorpid on 25 man patch with my gear I should pull 6k + dps. I'll post wws on wed.

Starwind · 12/08/08, 10:33 PM

Has anyone heard what types of nerfs are incoming and when they will arrive? I'm guessing that the nerfs will be aimed directly at BM hunters.

GC: World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> GC Please read the Hunter Arena thread.

Those threads were an experiment. We were hoping to see what kind of ideas or consensus the players could come up with by riffing on each other. But I'm not sure we were 100% succesful in that regard. There were a lot of "Didn't read the previous 47 pages" responses that ended up then posting the same things over and over. As much work as it was for me to read the entire thread, I'm not sure many players actually ended up doing it, which defeats the purpose.

Because the purpose of these forums is not to have one-way (or even two-way) communication between the players and the devs. The purpose is to have a place where we can all talk to each other and it may be that 1000 thread posts are actually a barrier to that.

That isn't to say that there weren't some good responses in that thread, or that we don't understand the issues or aren't working on the problems. We do have some hunter PvE nerfs and PvP buffs we're working on and hope to be able to announce soon.

Where you will find me in disagreement is on the subject of hunter changes. It is absurd to say that we haven't made any attempt to address PvP concerns. They may not be the changes you would have made in our shoes, but the hunter class of LK looks dramatically different than the one of BC. It's fair to say that the changes aren't sufficient if you feel that way, but let's at least be precise; it's just silly to say no changes were made or that we ignored the issues.

KraxisSingular · 12/09/08, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by endgame

From reading multiple previous posts and my own testing I'm pretty sure your wrong. I think aotb works better with a scorpid because the scorpid poisons scale with ap. Once stacked they don't miss can't be parried,dodged or mitigated by armor. The poison also ticks twice as hard as any physical *crit* a cat or dev. attack could put out. You need to be fully raid buffed to get the full effect. On a target dummy my pet poison ticks for 1200 unbufffed the tick gains 100dmg for every 200 ap gain(You can test this out yourself on a dummy). My pet gains nearly 3k ap raid buffed and aotb up. So if my math is correct raid buffed I plan on getting 3700k scorpid ticks and 5200 with tbw + trinkets . Im testing it this week in naxx. In heroics my math so far has been right on the money. Scorpid > all . Untill the nerf that is =D
Same thing happened in BC the first few months with scorpids.

If Scorpid Poison scales with Pet AP, like Claw and Rake, but unlike similar spells like Poison Spit and Lighting Breath, then we have the source as to why it is so OP. Obviously that is a mistake since every other spellbased attack from pets scale with pet spellpower which can only scale with our AP (and debuffs on targets, and interestingly not totems or priest Spirit buff). The nerf to Thunderstomp was exactly such a move, change it from AP based to spellpower.

But it should be simple to do... Go to a dummy and let it apply a full stack, don't do anything yourself. Take note of the tickranges. Then give the pet an AP buff, Battle Shout or BoM would obviously be best, but even a scroll or pet food should be enough to have a variance if it scales directly with pet AP.
The reason Beast itself isn't good for this is that we really don't know what AP our pets scale from anymore. It used ot be RAP and RAP alone. But the 21% scaling on Beast fits a MAP scaling, but then AoftD should affect pet AP, but it still does. So we are quite simply not so certain what is going on anymore.

kr1305 · 12/09/08, 12:57 AM

Scorpid Poison does scale with pet AP.

The problem with the 'OPness' of it is the fact that you're dps with a scorpid poison will do more than double the damage it would on a training dummy.

KraxisSingular · 12/09/08, 1:12 AM

Originally Posted by kr1305

Scorpid Poison does scale with pet AP.

The problem with the 'OPness' of it is the fact that you're dps with a scorpid poison will do more than double the damage it would on a training dummy.

If you have done any PAP boosting tests (nothing else) and seen the tick go up, then I'm willing to take your word on it, but not from a raidscaling result, that could still be from pet spellpower. There are the direct 13% more spelldamage boost for instance, that alone will kick it up a good bit. I'm not saying you are wrong of course, but the way you put it out just isn't convincing.

Hmm... I guess I will just have to drop one of my pets for a Scorpid and do it myself. It will at least buy me some options for raiding.