Faerdael

While personally I tend to agree with the non-aimed shot sentiment for pve, any build including Readiness should never "toss that (1) point into rapid killing". It is literally throwing a talent point away.

Readiness + 0 point Rapid Killing means roughly 1 Rapid Fire every 3 minutes.
Readiness + 1 point Rapid Killing means roughly 1 Rapid Fire every 3 minutes.
Readiness + 2 point Rapid Killing means roughly 2 Rapid Fires every 3 minutes.

 

• Tsook

Shandara did a very detailed test of Marked for Death, the results of which you can see here. Her conclusion was that the second part was not dependent on hunter's mark being on the target.
WotLK DPS spreadsheet

 

Evio

This may seem a bit nooby and offtopic but cant find anything mentionning this. I rerolled from shaman not so long ago (used to be a healer) but I´ve been checking a few armory profiles and I see that a lot of you BM's are gemming ap hit instead of agi hit or pure ap over agi. Is there a particular reason that I am missing or is this more of a personal choice? I was under the impression that agi/hit or pure agi gems where more interesting due to he extra crit gained from agi over ap.

Second part of this is why are you guys going for ap or agi/stam for blue sockets? Does the stam somehow affect yyour pet or are you just after the socket bonus? It would seem more interesting to negate the socket bonus on say t7 chest and just gem for something else like agi/crit.

 

snafoo

I'd assume the blue gems would be for their meta gem requirements.

 

Tapout

What Minor Glyphs are you guys using? The Feign Death glyph is a no brainer, but the other ones seem to have minimal effect, especially the Mend Pet Glyph with a ferocity pet.

 

Vegelus

MM is atm competitive with BM build when it comes to dps. So just get one of specs from Marksman thread.

 

Salacar

I've encountered a bug with the highest rank of Hunter's Mark and the Hunter's Mark Glyph.

A Hunter in my guild is actually the one with the problem, whenever he Marks it shows up as a 20 AP increase instead of the actual value.

Anyone encountered this before? Possibly just a cosmetic error?

I found it strange that it shows the same ammount of AP one would gain from Rank 1 Hunter's Mark, but he's certain that he's using the highest rank.

 

Gleithan

Feign Death, Mend Pet and Revive Pet are the only ones that are even potentially useful in PvE.

 

Æthien

I've got FD, scare beast and revive pet at the moment.
Mend pet is useless with a ferocity pet... 30 seconds of attacking gets it from mad to happy anyway.
And scare beast might serve some random purpose somewhere sometime. :P
(mainly if I get too excited and pull too many mobs in solo PvE)

 

Crashy

Hi i read some threads here about hunters and many threads say : BM has no need for haste cause your Steady is already below the GCD.

Now i remember the patch in BC when blizz brought the haste rating in the game. i am pretty sure haste makes 2 things. 1: reduce casttime like steady,frostbolt etc. and 2: haste lowers the GCD from 1.5 to 1seconds. (many haste )

i also noticed (never tested it) that with rapid fire on i fire more steadys as without rapidfire.

And my question is did blizz remove the 2. haste-ability for hunters cause i read this BM + haste stuff several times here ? and if it is so does only my talents (IAotH) and my skills (rapidfire) reduce the GCD ?

I know my english is far away from readable but i hope somebody can read this and knows more about haste

 

Æthien

Only casters can reduce their GCD from 1.5 to 1 with haste. hunters cannot.
so you firing more steadies during RF as BM is an illusion.

 

Zwaineroth

One reason to use more blues than you need for your Meta is that some of the socket bonuses are good enough to justify it, e.g., the 8 AGI bonus on the T7 helm means that you lose nothing by putting a blue in there and getting the extra stam. This will change when we have epic gems that always beat socket bonuses.

 

Xaks

Well, I've read all 13 pages of this thread so far, and I have a question that was not addressed anyplace (or in any of the other threads I looked in). The question is kinda noobish, but for good reason.

I've got a 60 hunter that I stopped playing pre-tBC. His gear was 'meh' at the time. I was halfway skilled at the class, nothing too top-end, but my guild had the third -> sixth ZG bats on our server and we pwned BGs for weeks...ahhh, the memories! Our classic Dwarven Hand Cannons should at least get Old-Skool Style Points, or something...

Anyhow, I lit that account back up yesterday, and got the expansion. I know my gear is shit and I'm starting from scratch BUT, the question I have that was not addressed:

Pet attack speed doesn't matter any more? This used to be a HUGE point, and it is no longer listed on ANY current pet board that I've been able to find (best intentions, petopia, etc)...are all pet attack speeds the same now?

 

Roman

Yes, I believe all pet speeds have been normalized.

I started playing after this happened, but I do remember reading it somewhere and hearing a lot about it.

Best of luck on your hunter, and hope you have fun .

 

Æthien

I remember that... I was just about to start camping Broken Tooth when the change hit.

but indeed, all pets now have the exact same attack speed.

 

Xaks

aw man, all of them are the same now? that kinda bites.

well, i'm still gonna use my old hunter as he's still a level 60, and that's better than restarting at 0. but it does make me wonder...any other old timers out there *like* the new system vs the old?

I dunno, maybe i'll like it more this way once I play it a while and get used to it. My head is still thinkin back to the old way of playing...I guess I have lots to re-learn!

So, what's the 'new' way of approaching choosing a spec or a specific pet? I mean, if they all attack the same speed and share 'family style' attacks, what differentiates a rare named vs a trash spawn? Or even between species within a type, for that matter (bear vs boar, for instance)?

Does the new system mean we'll never again have a ZG prenerf bat, or a new King B?

EDITED in a small spelling change

 

Cyberbob

There are still some quirky unique pets that aren't quite normal, but for a majority, it's mostly about the class and family of pet, not some rare spawn with larger resists or a greater attack speed etc.

petopia.brashendeavors.net is the best place for that kind of info.

Make sure you read the "Everything changes in 3.0" page. There's so many things difference since we were back at 60.
The elusive ZF serpent is tameable again.. Claw and Bite aren't limited to just particular pets.. the whole friendship level thing has gone away, and there's no more leveling lowbie pets.

Just read the FAQ

 

Tapout

So for Blue gem slots (for Meta purposes or a good socket bonus) is it worth using AP(or Agi)/MP5 over AP/Stam? MP5 isn't exactly a phenomenal Hunter stat, but I have over 20K health raid bufffed and the stam gain is minimal.

 

mako

It's mostly personal preference. The stamina gives slightly more leeway for you and your pet when you take damage, while the mp5 can be valuable on extended fights, or for cases where you make an error and have to revive your pet.

On the spreadsheet, the mp5 should win for BM/MM, as stamina is not considered to be an increase in dps under those circumstances. For survival, stamina increases your attack power, and should be chosen over mp5 in all cases.

Green gems may also be considered for filling the blue meta requirement. If you're not in need of yellow/orange's it might be better to stick with pure reds. If TBC was any indication, this will be the case at epic-gem levels.

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◊ Tobin

Until I start actually running out of mana, I see no reason to gem for AP/MP5 over AP/STA. Just about the only fight long enough to make me hurt for mana is Sartharion with multiple drakes up, and that fight isn't even a DPS race. STA on that encounter is probably a better option anyway as you will be losing 25% of it along with taking increased fire/shadow damage.

 

Zenoeth

Well im here to ask for some pointers, i've read all over the place, this forum that forum and im uber confused with WotLK i was hopin to get some exact stats if possible and an idea of a good dps BM spec, i am a BM hunter and currently raidin 10 man naxx, dps is good but there is another BM hunter in the group i go with and he does quite a bit more dps then i do, so i was wondering if anyone can help me out.
These are a couple things im lookin to find out.

-How is my spec (50/21/0) for readiness to pop BW and RF constantly

-Haste/Hit/Armor Pen./Agi/Raw AP/Crit; lookin for caps, points at which i should stack something else etc etc.

-Best Pet depending on spec (currently not specced for Exotics)

-and i've been told many times differntly how to dps lol so, spam the macro or is it better now to just spam the stead shot and is the glyph of steadyshot worth it cuz i used it for a while while applying serpent sting to the target and after switching back to my old glyphs im doin more overall dmg and dps.

so thoughts ideas, charts w/e plz i just wanna kill the confusion.

*one last idea if someone could tell me, how the heck is he beating me, Magmadorf is the hutner's name he is also a BM hunter, boss dps he beats me and i have no idea how if anyone has any idea how he's doin this plz let me know and if you have any questions that are needed to be asked go right ahead ill give any info i can to help me out lol.

 

◊ Tobin

Hit -> AP -> Agi -> Crit -> ArP -> Haste I think in general.

The hit cap was assumed to be around 295 rating or 9%, but it seems that it may actually be 262. Nevertheless, I've never felt the need to hit the cap, only get close to it...250 or so.

AP is by far the best bang for the buck as far as DPS goes. Crit% will come naturally with gear, and we get altogether too much haste/ArP.

For tank/spank fights, the scorpid is by far the best DPS, but only one is allowed per raid. The scorpid is also going to live longer than any ferocity pet because of tenacity talents like Great Stamina and Blood of the Rhino. Other than the scorpid, the cat is right up there.

There's no macro. I use one with /cast !Auto Shot at the front, but that's only so I can fire an Auto instantaneously when I first hit the keybind. The Steady Shot
glyph is worth it, but you need to be mindful of how to use it. In no event should you interrupt a Steady Shot in order to reapply Serpent Sting.

 

flimflam

1. In your talent spec you have 3/5 Frenzy but 1/3 Cobra Strikes. Your pet is probably not keeping up Frenzy. You also have no points into Animal Handler. The expertise from that talent helps your pet's abilities from being dodged/parried by bosses. Something like this Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft would be better. (Feel free to move the Spirit Bond point to Mend Pet if you like)

2. Being BM, haste isn't very useful. Armor Pen i don't believe is very useful in raid situations due to debuffs applied. Best would be to use the spreadsheet to see what will help you the most.

3. Scorpid is the best DPS if your able to bring one and the fight allows it. Only 1 hunter can bring one though, so if the other hunter is bringing a Scorpid that could explain why he could be doing so much damage. Following that my belief is the next best is a Cat.

4. BM is basically Steady Shot spamming. Depending on the length of the fight Serpent Sting can help or hurt your dps even with the Steady Shot Glyph. Longer the fight, the more you'll get from it while shorter fights using Serpent Sting can hurt you. (at least this is what i have observed)

 

Dryw

Why is that? (I was never in a raid where more than 1 scorpid was present.)

 

Nzambi

Any confirmation about the SS gylph yet? Does it have to be our own sting?