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Old 12/11/08, 3:35 PM   #351
 Nagisamuro
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Originally Posted by AncientHeart View Post
What would be a good second profession to compliment leather working?
In my opinion nothing compliments leatherworking quite like skinning does, but I don't suppose that's what you were after. Its only combat benefit is a static +25 crit rating.

This question is answered rather well earlier in this thread.

EDIT: The crit rating from Master of Anatomy (skinning passive bonus) is being buffed at max rank from 25 to 32 in 3.0.8.

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Old 12/11/08, 4:27 PM   #352
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Originally Posted by Mattaos View Post
Haste increases the rate at which your Auto Shots fire, so naturally he is getting more Auto Shots off than you. Also, 2pc T7 grants a 5% damage increase to pet, not 4pc T7, and with the way certian pets scale currently in a raid it very possible to see upward of 250 DPS increases with that set bonus. Honestly, it is not truly possible to tell you exactly how another hunter with comparable gear/stats is out DPSing you, since there are a lot of other factors that play a role, i.e. spec, pet used, range weapon used, etc...

Have you used the spreadsheet yet? Plug yourself in and the other hunter in to compare.

Cant figure out the spreadsheet prolly my problem right there but were same spec atm, and the only difference is he has the bow from Razouvious and i have the gun from kel'thuzad, i use a scorpid he uses a cat and i was just implying that he has the 4 piece which gives both the set bonuses.
 
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Old 12/11/08, 5:36 PM   #353
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Originally Posted by AncientHeart View Post
Ok so the epic hunter helm for engineering is good, but....

The epic helms from naxx seem to be better...

Once I get a better helm I think I'm going to give up engineering since everything else with engineering I can buy myself, or should I wait a while and see if they come out with an even better helm like they did in BC?...


I am currently an engineer/leather worker.

What would be a good second profession to compliment leather working?
A better question to ask might be "What other profession would compliment a hunter?"

Skinning compliments Leatherworking the best, but not necessarily a hunter, though the added crit is a nice bonus. I would be inclined to think that Jewelcrafting might a really good option since the JC exclusive gems are leaps-n-bounds above any standard cut. Alchemy is another that could be considered with the added bonus to elixirs and flasks.
 
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Old 12/11/08, 6:09 PM   #354
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Is the 4pc bonus worth keeping over other pieces of gear with hit and more AP on them? For example the gloves off patchwork or the legs (i cant remember the name) with the red and blue socket and appear green and red on the character sheet.

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Old 12/11/08, 7:48 PM   #355
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Originally Posted by Echion View Post
Is the 4pc bonus worth keeping over other pieces of gear with hit and more AP on them? For example the gloves off patchwork or the legs (i cant remember the name) with the red and blue socket and appear green and red on the character sheet.

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How often do you go into Viper right now? For me its very very rarely in 25m. I would try to get 2pc and get better gear in other slots if available.

That said, what do you guys think are the best 2 pc? Shoulders, Legs, maybe Helm, possibly the Chest if your low on hit?
 
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Old 12/11/08, 8:16 PM   #356
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Originally Posted by flimflam View Post
How often do you go into Viper right now? For me its very very rarely in 25m. I would try to get 2pc and get better gear in other slots if available.

That said, what do you guys think are the best 2 pc? Shoulders, Legs, maybe Helm, possibly the Chest if your low on hit?

Patchwork, i have had to do it once in all of the attempts we've had on him. But on other fights i have to do it a lot. I guess if we don't have a judgment up or replenishment ill keep the gear with me or AotV.

I think the chest, due to a lack of a good one outside of a 3 drake sarth. kill, and the shoulders.
Better legs drop, gloves off patchwork are nice, and the helm off sarth/malygos are both good too.
 
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Old 12/11/08, 8:31 PM   #357
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Originally Posted by Mattaos View Post
A better question to ask might be "What other profession would compliment a hunter?"

Skinning compliments Leatherworking the best, but not necessarily a hunter, though the added crit is a nice bonus. I would be inclined to think that Jewelcrafting might a really good option since the JC exclusive gems are leaps-n-bounds above any standard cut. Alchemy is another that could be considered with the added bonus to elixirs and flasks.
Why not just stick with Engineering? Everyone loves a hunter with Jumper cables!
 
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Old 12/11/08, 8:42 PM   #358
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Originally Posted by dangerbird View Post
Why not just stick with Engineering? Everyone loves a hunter with Jumper cables!
Engineering is really only going to be useful for a hunter if they have Mining to keep a steady flow of high-end ammo supplied. Without mining though Engineering is going to be expensive to level and offer very limited hunter benefit...a entry level raiding gun and crit scopes
 
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Old 12/11/08, 11:11 PM   #359
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Originally Posted by Mattaos View Post
Engineering is really only going to be useful for a hunter if they have Mining to keep a steady flow of high-end ammo supplied. Without mining though Engineering is going to be expensive to level and offer very limited hunter benefit...a entry level raiding gun and crit scopes
Or you need the ability to make however much gold the ore is worth in a comparable time to mining it yourself. If you get 2 stacks of saronite per hour, and saronite goes for 100g a stack on your server, then as long as you can make 200g per hour you don't need mining. Mining 200g worth of ore and using it yourself instead of selling it is exactly the same as making 200g from farming crap and spending it on ore. You're in the same place at the end of the day.
 
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Old 12/11/08, 11:15 PM   #360
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Engineering for Hunter:

I have to say that I took Engineering (and of course you MUST have Mining with it) mainly for the Jumper Cables.

The Feign Death and rez the healer trick is great in 5 man instances, but not very useful in raids really, now that Locks can summon, druids have unlimited rez, etc.

The other item that I liked was the bombs, which gave another AoE when my volley and traps were on cool-down, but the new volley changes all that.

For leveling, the guns and scopes and ammo are a nice way to stay ahead of the stats you'd have relying on drops alone, but for end-game there are better options (rep ammo is WAY cheaper, although we are still waiting for the WotLK rep ammo to appear).

In all, if I had to do it over again I would go skinner/Leatherworker.

In this forum we are mostly concerned with raiding. If you belong to a raid guild you only really need one Engineer to give you the bullets/arrows, and even if you can't get it from a guildie you can grind gold and buy it on the Auction house.

At least with Leatherworking you can make some end-game stuff for yourself. Of course you need skinning to keep the cost down (and maybe even make some money).

If you have a Skinning Alt, I really like Matteos's idea about Jewelcrafting -- combined with Leatherworking you would be making yourself some very nice items that really would be hard to replace with drops. I had my "Belt of the Black Eagle" up to lvl 78.
 
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Old 12/12/08, 8:45 AM   #361
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Weird question: I was on my horde druid last night and I saw an alliance hunter with what looked like a runed or sigiled version of the plaguehound model as a pet. Anyone have any info on what this, where to get it or what its abilities are? I couldn't find anything about it on petopia.
 
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Old 12/12/08, 9:06 AM   #362
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I believe those are Blight Hounds found in Zul'Drak. It's a standard wolf pet.
 
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Old 12/12/08, 10:02 AM   #363
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what do you think about a 53/14/4 specc as I am trying to get the most out of a bm 51 point specc?
 
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Old 12/12/08, 11:01 AM   #364
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Is it worth it to go for the 4p T7 bonus?

Trying to figure this one out so I can know what parts can I replace for better ones.
 
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Old 12/12/08, 11:22 AM   #365
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Answer for yourself:
Do you use Viper in bossfights?

If yes: How often?
If it's often enough to seriously consider 4pc, go check the spreadsheet to check what yields the best dps.
 
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Old 12/13/08, 1:57 AM   #366
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This may have been asked but I skimmed this topic and did not see it.

Background is that I used the new tool on wowhead to see what items are best in slot depending on your class and spec. Im a survival hunter, a raid spec I made for that. Its 0/19/52. Works pretty well for me so far. Anyways the wowhead tool just has you put spec and class. It tells you what gems you should socket into the items and almost every single gem it listed for me was +20 intel gem.

Now my question is why would I gem intelligence?

Maybe Im totally missing something but that does not make sense to me. I have the skill where I get atk power bonus from intel but I usually gem agility or atk power. I dont need to increase my mana pool since Im survival, Im pretty mana efficient. So why in the world would I gem intelligence and almost solely intel, thus losing socket bonuses and such?
 
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Old 12/13/08, 2:24 AM   #367
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Originally Posted by cranium1980 View Post
This may have been asked but I skimmed this topic and did not see it.
Maybe Im totally missing something but that does not make sense to me. I have the skill where I get atk power bonus from intel but I usually gem agility or atk power. I dont need to increase my mana pool since Im survival, Im pretty mana efficient. So why in the world would I gem intelligence and almost solely intel, thus losing socket bonuses and such?
Simple answers:

1. You probably wouldn't.
2. The wowhead tool is beta.
3. You need to double check the default "weightings" and adjust them for your situation.
4. The tool only considers one item at a time. It has no way of knowing what your total stats are. So it suggests the same gems all the time based on your weighting. if you weight hit very high, it will suggest hit gems for every slot you look at. Obviously when you're capped you want to quit gemming hit and get other things.
 
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Old 12/13/08, 2:32 AM   #368
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Thank you for explaining that. I asked on some other boards too and got ridiculous answers to insults. I did not know how the tool worked exactly, so that answer is quite helpful.
 
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Old 12/13/08, 4:03 AM   #369
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Originally Posted by Mattaos View Post
A better question to ask might be "What other profession would compliment a hunter?"
As has been discussed elsewhere in this thread, either Inscription or Enchanting should also be considered. Both professions provide a +64 AP buff.

You might also consider blacksmithing, assuming you can find a 2nd gem work adding to your belt buckle
 
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Old 12/13/08, 4:07 AM   #370
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Originally Posted by Jaffi View Post
what do you think about a 53/14/4 specc as I am trying to get the most out of a bm 51 point specc?
You will probably get more DPS moving that point from Beast Mastery to Imp tracking. If you dead keen to keep the exotic pet, then move it from mortal shots to imp tracking

EDIT: Actually, ignore the second suggestion. Moving the point from Frenzy is probably a better choice (having looked at your gear).

Last edited by Iru : 12/13/08 at 4:15 AM. Reason: bothered to actually test my sugestion
 
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Old 12/13/08, 1:40 PM   #371
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I just rerolled as a Hunter this morning, and need a plenty of general info on them:

Is BM still the best leveling spec? And if i go BM, should i go for a tencaity pet? Im thinking maybe a Scorpid/Boar.
I have plenty of cash to flow through this guy, so money isnt really an issue as far as professions. Whats would be most useful while leveling? If i have to drop them and pick up new ones for raid utility at 80 thats no big deal,m but id like to know what would work well while soloing.
I usually dont use too much Macros/UI. Would that really cripple me as a leveling Hunter?
 
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Old 12/13/08, 2:33 PM   #372
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Originally Posted by Elnaith View Post
I just rerolled as a Hunter this morning, and need a plenty of general info on them:

Is BM still the best leveling spec? And if i go BM, should i go for a tencaity pet? Im thinking maybe a Scorpid/Boar.
I have plenty of cash to flow through this guy, so money isnt really an issue as far as professions. Whats would be most useful while leveling? If i have to drop them and pick up new ones for raid utility at 80 thats no big deal,m but id like to know what would work well while soloing.
I usually dont use too much Macros/UI. Would that really cripple me as a leveling Hunter?
I would say that yes as of now BM is still best for leveling. After the next patch that might change. As far as pets go, I leveled with a ferocity pet and had no trouble. I spec'd into having the better pet healing since I was BM and it worked out fine for me. All in all from what I've read, when it comes to pets, especially in concerns to leveling there is not a whole lot of difference between the 3 families. Once you start raiding you might want something like a cat for a little more dps but for leveling it really shouldnt matter much.

As far as not using macros, if your not using the steady shot macro then yes you are severely crippling yourself. It severely increases your dps, some people have had the macro actually double their dps.
 
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Old 12/13/08, 9:18 PM   #373
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Originally Posted by cranium1980 View Post
As far as not using macros, if your not using the steady shot macro then yes you are severely crippling yourself. It severely increases your dps, some people have had the macro actually double their dps.
I'm confuse a bit: steady shot macro for levelling?
 
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Old 12/14/08, 5:57 AM   #374
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*Edit* Deleted post. Found my answer.

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Old 12/14/08, 10:29 AM   #375
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Originally Posted by Iru View Post
EDIT: Actually, ignore the second suggestion. Moving the point from Frenzy is probably a better choice (having looked at your gear).
He can't move it from frenzy. In the build he posted, he needs4/5 frenzy to be able to move to the next tier. 3/5 frenzy builds work by spending an additional point in the earlier tiers (usually by putting an extra point in Spirit Bond or Imp. Mend).

In any event, if he follows his build exactly and stops at 3/5 frenzy, he is stuck at 34 points.
 
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