Drans

For leveling, gorilla will make your life a lot easier, their threat gen is leaps ahead of the next best pet, not to mention it's area of effect. As for professions it shouldn't make a difference to be honest. If you are going for money, do JC + Mining, if you want stat bonuses go for LW or enchanting. Lastly, macro's aren't really that important until you get steady shot, but since autoshots are now unlinked, I don't see a reason to "need" a macro while leveling.

 

Iru

Ahh, true, I missed that h was only 1/2 spirit bond. Either way 5/5 imp tracking is better dps that 4/5 frenzy, given his crit rate. so got 2/2 spirit bond, 3/5 frenzy & 5/5 imp tracking

 

Iru

@Elnaith: I strongly agree about the getting a gorilla as soon as you can. Thunderstomp and the tenacity tree make the thing a great aoe tank which really speeds up grinding.

 

Mattaos

You can't take a point from Frenzy to slide over to Imp Tracking. The BM tree requires the same number of talent points to drop down to the next tier. If you take a point out of Frenzy, then it has to go in something like Spirit Bond or Imp Mend. Taking a point from Mortal Shots is the best option to have Beast Mastery and 5/5 Imp tracking.

EDIT: Trev already covered this mistake and I fail at reading to the end of a thread before replying to a post.

 

Varelse

First let me appologize if this has been asked before. I have had a hunt through the various hunter threads, but not found anything that mentions this issue.

I started running some paperdoll DPS tests on the level 83 target dummies to test my miss rate, and found two odd things I hadn't expected. The first was that the Bandit's Insignia can miss (~9%), and is seemingly unaffected by hit rating or talents. But that's relatively unimportant, and not strictly a Hunter concern.

More importantly, though, my autoshot crit rate is almost 6% below my tooltip values.

Over the course of 2000 shots fired, autoshot hovered between 22.8% and 23% crit. My tooltip crit chance is 29.02%. I understand I should have slightly lower crit percentages against a higher level target, as my tooltip reflects my chance to crit a level 80 target and the dummy is 83. But 6% seems a bit much.

Another theory is that Lethal Shots isn't effecting autoshot crit chances. Is this a known fact or falsity? It's late, and I'll be trying some longer naked tests in the morning, but such a large discrepancy leaves me a little worried. Anyone able to shed any light?

 

Tred

I just started using Survival spec and had a Lock and Load question. When it procs is it better to spam explosive or explosive, steady, explosive and use the charges that way. Thank you.

 

Iru

You missed the entire thread on this topic, which even helpfully included the words 'lethal shots' in its title? WoW!

Try reading here

Short version, yes, crit levels have dropped recently by approximately 4.2% for hunters and 6% for pets against boss level targets. No, it wasn't documented anywhere by blizzard.

 

Krempin

When Lock and Load procs use explosive -> steady -> explosive -> steady... Otherwise you will overwrite ES ticks with your new ES and lose DPS.

 

Drrakkainen

Is bear swipe worth anything in heroic trash tanking? I'm thinking about this build or a bit tweaked without Collar and more points into defensive talents like this My idea is pure survivability pet for soloing things and instances with friends.

 

Vegelus

Do we know if Spiked Collar is better dmg wise from Cobra Reflexes? If so, I'd put out points from Cobra Reflexes and put them there. I don't think that pets' taunt is good too (because of it's CD). And I'd end with something like this. Sadly, for tenacity tanking pets, there is not enough talent points for a good tank, even with Beast Mastery. In the build I've linked I'm still missing Boar's Speed, Last Stand, Taunt (tho it's not that nice than player's version) and Intervene. And Magic Resistance too probably (that makes almost whole tree needed).

 

Drrakkainen

Ohh I haven't seen the CD on taunt.. that's sad, thanks for pointing it out, I'll think about it for a while. But my first question stands, does swipe works as intended or it is so inferior to lets say Gorillas skill that bears are not worth more than their cool look.

 

Fendruil

I am playing a BM specd hunter with a pretty typical spec (much like those listed in the BM forum. My dps, however, seems to be way behind what everyone is saying is typical. I hit 80 only like 2 weeks ago and my gear consists mostly quest reward blues (haven't quite gotten to the rep rewards).

What I am really wondering is what a typical shot rotation looks like for a BM hunter these days. I have tried to find this on these forums without success. I apologize if I missed this information somewhere, but I just got to these forums and I have not been able to find it in the vast amount of information.

edit: I should mention that I am looking at a shot rotation from a raiding standpoint.

Thanks for any help.

 

Ingmar

Just keep up serpent sting (using a mod for the timer like dotimer is advisable), spam steady, refresh sting, repeat. Make sure you have the steady glyph and try to stack cooldowns together.

Make sure you're 50/21 and use properly specced scorpid or cat (if there's already a scorpid hunter in your raid) and you'll be able to push out 3.5k DPS in blues (did that yesterday on patchwerk, with ~50% lvl 70 gear (including my old illidan bow), some blues, a DK buff, battleshout, no paladin, no shaman)

It takes skill if it's my class. The guy I am playing against on the other hand is a faceroller. Now when I am facerolling, that's my skill you're seeing.

 

Krempin

I suggest you take a look at Beast Mastery Bible thread. There are many good posts related to BM dps, shot rotations and gear.

To answer your question - typical shot rotation for BM hunter is serpent sting followed by steady shot spam. Serpent sting should be applied when your attack power is highest (trinkets, BW) and shouldn't be reapplied until it wears off.

 

Fendruil

Thank you both for your quick responses. That is a bit different than what I have been told so it does help a lot.

Do you guys use any sort of macros along with this kind of rotation. Like the one with that uses shift to refresh serpent sting, etc.? This is more curiosity now.

 

Fendruil

Can I ask why 50/21 vs. 51/20? I have heard of the scorpid dps, but isn't that about to change or am I mistaken?

 

Krempin

50/21 is the build that allows you to pick up Readiness and use Bestial Wrath more times in a shorter fight (thus much higher DPS).

Yes, cats and scorpids are about to get nerfed (rake and poison damage respectively)

 

Drrakkainen

Readiness and Bestial Wrath combo are going to be nerfed as well so IMO no point in taking that spec now, better work on some 5x/1x/x build and learn to play without this "exploit"

 

Ingmar

50/21 since you will want readiness (as it still resets TBW at the moment), and exotic pets just are lower DPS than non-exotic scorpid/cats (also since the 4 points you get aren't needed to get the full DPS talents for your pets). I'm not quite sure if readiness will still be worth it after the nerf, but it will at least still reset Rapid fire and Kill Command.

The scorpid DPS will change as well, but at this moment, the scorpid is just the highest DPS pet out there.

edit: to respond to above post
It is not an exploit, and for now it is just the smart thing to take. Besides the nerfs to scropids/cats and readiness, other things like spirit strike pets, longevity, improved tracking will change as well, making different specs more viable/maybe better.

It takes skill if it's my class. The guy I am playing against on the other hand is a faceroller. Now when I am facerolling, that's my skill you're seeing.

 

Drrakkainen

That's why I used ""
For me it's very creative use of game rules, and based on wws reports I've seen from end game guilds, where fights take 2-3 minutes having almost 40 sec of TBW instead of 20 means a lot, this change alone have less to do with class balance and more with "oh we devs forget to fix this one".
I see no point in this spec for next week or two, unless your gild hit a wall somewhere and that extra dps is needed. I'd rather use that time to prepare myself for incoming changes.
But that's not the topic for such discussion

 

flimflam

I don't think anyone would have to relearn how to play changing from 50/21 to 5x/1x/x. They're basically the same thing. Both spec's would have to learn anything new from the patch equally i would think.

 

Albador

Hello all, I have a question to the 50/21 bm skill ... because on my realm i see a lot of good Hunters using this kind: The World of Warcraft Armory

I dont know why they put 3 points in focused aim. I put 3 points in Improved Stings because I think in the moment its better for the dps. I hope you can give me a short answer

 

McMuttons

Until you have +263 hit (8%+), each point in Focused Aim will increase your total damage by 1%, since you're hitting 1% more often. At 8% (based on recent testing), you no longer miss, and as such more +hit becomes pointless. So if you have +263 hit from your gear, you shouldn't put any points into Focused Aim. So the question is, if you're not at the hit cap, will each point in Improved Stings add 1% to your damage?

Note that Focused Aim does not affect your pet if you have any +hit gear, while your +hit items do, so if you can get to +263 hit just with gear, that is optimal, generally speaking.

For more info read this thread on hit rating, and download the hunter spreadsheet and plug in their specs vs. your own and see what comes out on top. Keep in mind that the newest version of the spreadsheet reflects roughly what is on the test servers now with the upcoming nerfs. To get results with what is currently on the live servers, use the link for the previous version in the same thread.

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Vegelus

Haven't noticed that one. Well Bears are quite good but on high armor / not magic immune mobs Gorillas are still better (Gorillas' special is considered magic, so using them against magic immune mobs is a waste of time). Still most mobs out there doesn't belong to that category, so gorillas are the best tanking pets in most situations. Not to mention that swipe is somehow limited in AoE/multitanking situations.

 

sheer

Greetings.

I'm a little Hunter that gets called to raids by raiding guilds at times, mainly due to my ability to play it seems.
I have several questions, and I dont realy enjoy disturbing the brainstorming that goes on at the mechanics threads.
I read these forums endlessly and very concerned about the upcoming changes our class is about to recieve, (As I know first hand the whole Burnning Crusade's Shadow Priests / Affliction Warlocks issue).
Now if one can be kind enough to answer, it'll be lovely.

1.The Beast Lore.

It is my understanding that the Scorpid still outperforms the cat even after the nerf. Is this conclusion made after taking the Rabid and the Call of The Wild abilities into an account? The Scorpid does not come with those.
In addition, according to "Beast Lore", when I cast it on my pets, it clearly shows (Text) my Devilsaur does more damage than my cat.

Obviously according to tests people have made here, this is not the case and the Devilsaur is quite disappointing, apparently, but seeing what Beast Lore says, it still makes me doubt somewhat (when I add the +9% damage from the Devilsaur special ontop).

2.Armour penetration for the little Beastmaster.

This stat is better the more you have of it, however, it does not benefit my pet in any way shape or form (sadly).
Seeing most of the high, raiding gear has nice amounts of both haste (which I dont realy need..) and Armour Penetration, I am concerned yet again.

Does it mean that at the bottom line (And I'm very careful when saying this, only trying to ascertain things), Marksmen and maybe even Survivalists scale much better than me?
As they allready hit harder than me, not being reliant on thier pets as much, I can only assume this stat is golden to them and will eventually set them far ahead, in damage terms, at a point.

Once again, I'm only trying to ascertain several issues I find disturbing, at least from my point on view seeing Blizzard is so determined taking away my damage, which is infact the only thing I do bring to the raid, pretty much...

Thank you in advance for any input or advise, not all of us are blessed with raiding guilds as let us be frank, not all want Hunters.