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Old 02/18/09, 3:26 PM   #701
Jaeto
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Death Knight
 
Burning Legion
This may have been asked already but does is it still faster to level as BM or is Surv the better way to go? Basically which will perform better with less optimal gear, grinding from 70 to 80.

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Old 02/20/09, 11:36 PM   #702
HamSlammer
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Tauren Paladin
 
Emerald Dream
Does the pet talents Boar's Speed and Dash/Dive work together, or does Dash/Dive just become the only speed boost on a pet?

For example, without a point Boar's Speed and Dash activated, your pet goes 180% speed. If you have a point in Boar's Speed, does your pet travel at 1.3*1.8= 234% normal speed?

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Old 02/21/09, 1:19 AM   #703
Iru
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Draenei Hunter
 
Muradin
HamSlammer: No they don't stack.

Jaeto: BM is still the preferred levelling build because of the extra buffs it provides to your pet, lowering the work & threat management you have to do.

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Old 02/21/09, 1:48 AM   #704
Thaza
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Dalaran
Hey guys,

new to posting here but have been reading for a while.. great stuff..

my question is:
i recently switched to survival and am doing around 2200-2400 "total" dps in naxx..
i am not trap dancing since because i dont really know what it is besides an immolation trap

how much would you say my dps would increase with trapdancing, and is there anything else to do it or just setting the traps.... thanks

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Old 02/21/09, 9:41 AM   #705
jaffee
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Detheroc
Hey folks,

I recently inherited a hunter from my brother who no longer plays but would hate to see the account and toon go to waste. I have never played a hunter over level 40, and had a few questions - At level 80, is there any one spec/rotation that is preferred for high DPS in PvE End-game? I keep hearing spam Explosive shot, but I don't know any theorycrafting for the class, so I don't know how to max out the deeps on that, hah. Second question is about UI. I saw the UI thread in the forum and sifted through a few pages, but was wondering if anyone could tell me what the must-haves are for the hunter class. I know there have to be a couple that EVERY good end-game hunter uses.

Sorry for the ignorance, but I figured these would best be asked in the Simple questions thread, and I'd rather ask here than like.. MMO-Champ or Wowhead forums. You guys are the best, after all.

Thank you in advance.

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Old 02/21/09, 9:50 AM   #706
Lockz
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Anub'arak (EU)
Hi at all.
I am pretty puzzled right now, by having 4 trinkets and dont really know which combi is the best.

Mirror of Truth - Item - World of Warcraft
Bandit's Insignia - Item - World of Warcraft
Fury of the Five Flights - Item - World of Warcraft
Darkmoon Card: Greatness - Item - World of Warcraft

I think the darkmooncard is the best, but could you help me with this problem.
Thanks for answers.
Lockz

Edit : I forgott saying i am a survival hunter :p
Heres my armory link if my stats are important The World of Warcraft Armory

Last edited by Lockz : 02/21/09 at 9:58 AM.

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Old 02/21/09, 12:21 PM   #707
KergeKacsa
Piston Honda
 
Troll Hunter
 
Ragnaros (EU)
Originally Posted by Lockz View Post
I am pretty puzzled right now, by having 4 trinkets and dont really know which combi is the best.

Mirror of Truth - Item - World of Warcraft
Bandit's Insignia - Item - World of Warcraft
Fury of the Five Flights - Item - World of Warcraft
Darkmoon Card: Greatness - Item - World of Warcraft

I think the darkmooncard is the best, but could you help me with this problem.
The two best of these are Darkmoon Card: Greatness and Fury of the Five Flights for you.

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Old 02/21/09, 9:26 PM   #708
liaria
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Magtheridon
I need help im lost

I just hit 80 as a hunter. I did some looking around and asking on are realm for adives on specs for hunters raiding.
Everybody told me surv spec was the way to go, because of the nerf to BM hunters. This was the spec i came up with after looking at all the hunter i talked to on hakkar. The World of Warcraft Armory. It didnt pan out to good for me I lost 300 dps and I have tried many diffent shot rotation on my hunter. I looked back at your Bm spec but there all set up pre Bm nerf, are they still better or sould i just keep working at this spec till i get it down I know my gear sucks right now, and im lacking in hit. If I could get some help i would much appreciated.

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Old 02/22/09, 4:04 AM   #709
Iru
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Draenei Hunter
 
Muradin
Shandara's spreadsheet in the first post of this thread is the best way to answer the question "What is the right spec for me, giving my current gear, hit, and raiding buffs?"

There is no cookie cutter answer.

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Old 02/22/09, 4:39 PM   #710
JoeF-3
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Arthas
Ok, this may be a dumb question, but does haste rating affect all shots, or only steady? I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but with 15% haste from the quiver alone (never mind the 300 haste or so that you can't help but get on gear, minimum) is the CD on Arcane, Chimera, explosive, whatever affected? That seems like it would affect rotations quite a bit. I'm assuming Rapid Fire, Readiness, Beastial Wrath, etc aren't affected, of course.

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Old 02/22/09, 5:45 PM   #711
Nandei
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Blood Elf Hunter
 
Moonglade (EU)
Originally Posted by JoeF-3 View Post
Ok, this may be a dumb question, but does haste rating affect all shots, or only steady? I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but with 15% haste from the quiver alone (never mind the 300 haste or so that you can't help but get on gear, minimum) is the CD on Arcane, Chimera, explosive, whatever affected? That seems like it would affect rotations quite a bit. I'm assuming Rapid Fire, Readiness, Beastial Wrath, etc aren't affected, of course.
Haste only affects cast times, not cooldowns.

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Old 02/23/09, 4:59 PM   #712
Ryum
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Hunter
 
The Scryers
I am finally geared enough to respec outta focused aim for whatever (personally thinking of capping sniper, and 1 pt in sting, but that convo is for later) and I am looking at hunting party (currently 3/5), and in raid my crit rate is like 50% or more a lot of the time.

So I am wondering if i should take another point off of Hunting party.

Same questions for Going for the Throat

Basically I am looking to see if there is an established crit rate number where after X you can take either talent down without losing much.

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Old 02/24/09, 12:57 AM   #713
Rezdan
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Nagrand
The spreadsheet can model your expected Crits per Second. Generally, at Raiding gear levels and in the presence of all beneficial buffs (LotP, HoW/SoE, BoKings, etc) 1 or 2 points in Hunting Party will theoretically be enough.

Of course, this doesn't guarantee that a string of no crits (highly unlikely) will never happen.

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Old 02/24/09, 3:06 AM   #714
Ryum
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Hunter
 
The Scryers
I do have the Spreadsheet, it shows crit chance being 51.37%. I was just curious if 50% or more was enough, or what that magic % is that makes it okay to take those two talents down a point. So far 1/2 of GftT has worked out fine with my crit %... as for Hunting Party, with the number of replenishment effects that are in the game, and other factors. I currently have no idea to determine the effects of 2/5 hunting party vs 3/5 with the 50%+ crit chance.

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Old 02/24/09, 7:56 AM   #715
sheer
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Scarshield Legion (EU)
Kill Shot Not off GCD?

Good day, I searched abit but it is likely it was mentioned before anyways, but several posters on the Survival section seemed to mention Kill Shot is a "free GCD" etc.

My Kill Shot triggers global cooldown like every other ability (putting both Kill Command and Kill Shot on action bar to monitor this is simple) and I was wondering if it's intended or yet another "Aspects not off GCD" melfunction.

It is often I fail to launch one on certain mobs because of that GCD (and yes, it is above explosive shot in the macro).

Thank you.

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Old 02/24/09, 8:03 AM   #716
Rezdan
Don Flamenco
 
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Nagrand
Kill Shot doesn't trigger the global cooldown.

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Old 02/24/09, 8:31 AM   #717
sheer
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Scarshield Legion (EU)
It used to not trigger GCD, I know for sure, but now, do the test for yourself, put both Kill Shot and Kill Command (Kill Command is off GCD) on your action bar and shoot a flare or so, see for yourself, the cooldown runs on the icon (while not on the Kill Command icon). I'm seriously puzzled.

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Old 02/24/09, 9:22 AM   #718
Nandei
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Blood Elf Hunter
 
Moonglade (EU)
Originally Posted by sheer View Post
It used to not trigger GCD, I know for sure, but now, do the test for yourself, put both Kill Shot and Kill Command (Kill Command is off GCD) on your action bar and shoot a flare or so, see for yourself, the cooldown runs on the icon (while not on the Kill Command icon). I'm seriously puzzled.
Kill Shot not triggering global cooldown means that you can shoot Kill Shot without triggering GCD, not that you can first use some other ability that does trigger GCD and then immediately use KS before GCD is done. It might be different from the KC simply because you need to shoot it, where KC is really a buff to the pet. Anyway, nothing has changed in regards to Kill Shot, it can still be placed before other shots in macros and both KS and whatever the other shot happens to be will fire with one button. Tested this with my macro that has both Kill Shot and Explosive Shot in it.

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Old 02/24/09, 1:55 PM   #719
stickums
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Hunter
 
Grizzly Hills
Kill Shot does NOT trigger the GCD. You do need your GCD to be free to use it however.

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Old 02/24/09, 9:21 PM   #720
Rezdan
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Nagrand
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Last edited by Rezdan : 02/24/09 at 9:22 PM. Reason: woops, wrong thread

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Old 02/25/09, 9:29 AM   #721
Serf
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Orc Hunter
 
Feathermoon
Is it just me or does Kill Command incur a GCD? I have my macro set up to do kill shot, kill command, and steady all in one, and if ever Kill Command fires, Steady won't. Is it just me, or what? Macro is as follows-
#showtooltip Kill Shot
/cast Auto Shot
/cast Kill Shot
/cast Kill Command
/cast Steady Shot

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Old 02/25/09, 9:45 AM   #722
snarik
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Orc Hunter
 
Skullcrusher
So my alt hunter hit 80 sometime yesterday and i've been browsing the 3.1 talents and think I'm going to swap to survival once i've run a few heroics and things.
I've already planned out how my bars are going to look once I go Survival. The only qualm I'm having is I dont know what Im going to bind BA to.
Im thinking something like f1, f2 ish. Most of my Shift+#, CTRL+#, ALT+# are already bound.
Anybody been thinking about this at all?

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Old 02/25/09, 11:29 AM   #723
beesknees
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Kargath
Originally Posted by Serf View Post
Is it just me or does Kill Command incur a GCD? I have my macro set up to do kill shot, kill command, and steady all in one, and if ever Kill Command fires, Steady won't. Is it just me, or what? Macro is as follows-
#showtooltip Kill Shot
/cast Auto Shot
/cast Kill Shot
/cast Kill Command
/cast Steady Shot
Don't you have to use a '!' for Auto Shot, i.e. '/cast !Auto Shot'? Or is that not needed anymore?

Neither Kill Shot nor Kill Command are on the GCD; if they were you would never get a Steady off at all, even when Kill Shot/Kill Command are unavailable. You find that a steady will go off after Kill Shot but not after a Kill Command when one is available? Weird.

Last edited by beesknees : 02/25/09 at 11:55 AM.

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Old 02/25/09, 12:32 PM   #724
Ryum
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Hunter
 
The Scryers
So no one has worked out how much crit % you need to be able ti take a point out of hunting party from 3/5 to 2/5 without a big loss of replenishment procs?

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Old 02/25/09, 12:43 PM   #725
Serf
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Orc Hunter
 
Feathermoon
Originally Posted by beesknees View Post
Don't you have to use a '!' for Auto Shot, i.e. '/cast !Auto Shot'? Or is that not needed anymore?

Neither Kill Shot nor Kill Command are on the GCD; if they were you would never get a Steady off at all, even when Kill Shot/Kill Command are unavailable. You find that a steady will go off after Kill Shot but not after a Kill Command when one is available? Weird.
Not needed anymore since they did that whole unlinking from steady thing. As for KC not being on the GCD: Yeah, if I fire a Kill Shot, the cast bar for steady immediately goes into play. KC comes up, my hunter immediately stops doing whatever he was originally doing, then thrusts out his hand and casts KC. No Steady cast after until I push the button again.

Ryum: I run with 1/5 at 32.6% crit, and it procs rather often even now. Explosive crits far too often not to proc HP even with just a 20% chance. Come 3.1, though, it won't matter because you'll want 3/3 for the 3% additional agility.

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