kr1305

Is it worth speccing 3 points in Improved Stings?

Bearing in mind you will have 100% Serpent Sting uptime as you will be wanting to use the Steady Shot glyph.

I've not had the chance to run the numbers, but how would this benefit over having 3 points in talents like Improved Tracking?

 

Mrjack17

I see,
So hunters are not top dps now with lich king out?

Many people across my server have mixed feelings about it, I am a BM, but my biggest question is, should i spam BW when ever its up, and the enemy or group of mobs are not almost dead?

 

Ildinia

I have a question!
At 80, which stat should i be focusing on? In BC i stacked AP mostly, but also hit rating and agility. Which of these should i stack? Also, now that i have 3/3 careful aim, would it be at all worth it to put a few Intellect gems in there, because of the 1:1 AP conversion? My theory is that the int will be good in raids anyhow, and the AP might actually make it worthwhile. Thanks

 

Neruse

The nerf to WF totem hurt marks and survival enough to make them only marginally competitive in early 80 gear. BM though, is capable of 4k dps on mostly static fights like Patch, Anub, Faerlina, Razuvious and so on; Wow Web Stats

I was survival all the way from 2.4 to 3.0, so I'm rusty on the nuances and positioning quirks of BM. Also, I was using AotB (supposedly bugged, providing ~21% ap) for most of the above parse.

One question I have is thus: Devilsaurs are the highest dps pets, but in practice their enormous hitboxes lead them to die very often from lava waves on Sartharion and the bursts on Heigan. Additionally, their tails are so long that sometimes they clip void zones. I'm tempted to roll with a cat as these issues are very aggravating, but I'd rather not if possible.

 

Laertis

hi i´m specced MM and i have improved Hunters marked maxed out cause of the new rank of Hunters mark.. 300 ap + 30% = 390 .. :P and i was wondering if the glyph of Hunters mark stacks with this .. or we could just use the glyph and save up 3 points there ? but if it stacks it would be fantastic .. :P 450 AP HM would be very nice :P my tool tip when i look at the mob sais 300 ap whether i have the talents or not.

allso have a question if the Glyph of Steady shot is bugged or not ? reading alot of forums where people have seen no increse in dps from steady shot with adding the glyph.

 

Osse

Glyph and improved hunter's mark stack and the result is 450 ap.

t6 4-set bonus and glyph of steady shot do not stack.

 

Luthorhuss

I've been thinking whats the best raid pet..

I know it's been stated ealier that either cat, or maybe now devilsaurs, but what about the spirit beast ? have anyone tried him out ??

 

flimflam

Any survival spec'd hunters?

I started off BM, great dps.. but during a 10m naxx we ran into a roadblock and i was the only class able to get replenishment (so i did) and wow did my damage take a hit but we were able to beat sapphrion and the healers loved it.

but im not totally sure on my spec so im looking for some feedback on these 2: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (0/21/51) or Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (5/15/51)

leaning towards 0/21/51 but if anyone has any other ideas, feel free to let me know, thanks guys

 

Jaffi

Are you sure? How do you know?

 

Enova

Well, that can easily be checked. Get a [Screeching Bow] from Stratholme, try it on a dummy with a 4 t6 bonus without the glyph, then add the glyph and see if you get better results.

Guilty as charged ^

 

ElginRoko

IAotH will be better than Imp stings for SV, imp stings is only really any good for MM. Also, don't be taking Focused aim ahead of Go for the Throat, in fact don't be taking mortal shots ahead of go for the throat. Probably only need 1 point as SV to make focus starvation rare enough that it doesn't matter, but it's one of the best points you'll spend.

I'd actually recommend this: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

For insurance reasons. Yes. That, and for freedom.

 

eviln1

Hi !

Unless your gear has gimped crit rating, 2/3 in Expose Weakness and 2/5 in hunting party should be enough to warrant a decent (read : > 95% uptime) on both buffs. At least, that was the case for me when i tried that spec @ lvl 70, with >40% crit chance raid buffed. I haven't had the chance to test Nax, so i can't really tell if Sniper training pays off... 3 points for 6% damage on your main DPS sources sounds cheap (in a good way :P), but do you have the freedom to remain at 30+ yards all the time ? Most of the time ?
If you scrape 4 points from EW, HP and Sniper Training you could invest them into Noxious Stings - It's less brutto DPS, but with 100% uptime and applied to autoshot as well.

 

flimflam

I figured 3/3 focused aim since its early and im way below hit capped (172 HR right now). crit unbuffed is at 20%.

Hit should be top priority, i think. maybe i could trade points from iaoth for 3/3 focused aim. then because my crit is only 20% add 1 point into hunting party. (thats the main reason im survival in the first place)

That leaves me with 1 point to toss some where, iaoth? max out expose weakness? maybe even another point into hunting party.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

 

Ellisi

Simple Question I haven't been able to find a reference to:

I'm the leader of a small casual guild, and a number of our hunters have been looking to actually learn to play on a higher level. So in an attempt to help, I have been after doing some research for them. I understand a number of the more complicated tactics and strategies now, but still have the following simple questions:

What are the current stat conversions to RAP? Is it just AGI and AP, or do other stats contribute?

I have spent very little time on a hunter, and want to be sure I am giving the best advice I can to them.

Thank you.

[Edited for minor grammar fixes]

 

Aerynlore

1 Agility = 1 Attack Power
1 Attack Power = 1 Attack Power
1 Int = .33/.66/1 Attack Power (1/2/3 Careful Aim - Tier 2 MM Talent)
1 Stam = .1/.2/.3 Attack Power (1/2/3 Hunter vs. Wild - Tier 5 Sv Talent)

Also, 1 Hunter Attack Power = .22 Pet Attack Power.

 

Lohegrin

I've been using the spreadsheet quite a bit and it's giving me confusing information!
Well basically it sells me that 2AP is better than 1AGI, is this really true?

Does it have anything to do with the pet doing such a large portion of the damage as BM? Or that I use serpenting sting in my rotation because of the glyph since the sting doesnt scale with crit?

I'd sort of like to know before I regem my entire gear set

 

Lohegrin

Tried and tested with a [Fine Light Crossbow], they do stack.

 

Rhaegal

I'm somewhat confused by this post. To my knowledge, the cast time on Steady Shot has always been 1.5 seconds, and the wowhead description of the ability also says 1.5 seconds. I'm at work and can't log on and confirm, but if that's the case, wouldn't haste never effectively reduce the cast time of Steady Shot due to the GCD?

Stand back! I'm going to try SCIENCE!

 

Osse

Tried and tested with a [Screeching Bow] couple days ago and I gained no increase to steady shot damage. Are you sure that during both tests you had exactly the same setup? Same ammo, same trinket's off (in case of procs) and so.

Were you shooting at lvl 80 target dummies? That's the only thing I could think of. If the glyph only works on high level mobs as I was testing on a level 60 dummy in Silvermoon.

 

Mattaos

From my observations from simply running heroics the Cat is consistently accounting for 35% of my total damage for an entire run. I do have a Devialsaur to compare with my Cat, but I just tamed him Tuesday and he is still level 79. Once I have the Devialsaur to 80 I will take a harder look, but even at level 79 the Devialsaur was accounting for only 25% of my total damage. I cannot fathom 1 more level is going to make a big enough difference to add 10% more to the pets damage contribution. Something else to consider is I typically run with a prot warrior , so I do not have a bleed modifier for my Cat's Rake (Mangle or Trauma). I do not think heroics are the best means of testing DPS though, so I will wait for at least 10 man Naxx runs to get more diversity in raid buffs.

My current spec and my ferocity spec. I have garbage glyphs at the moment also. I plan on adding Steady Shot, Bestial Wrath and AotV glyphs as soon as they become available on my server (in guild). I am throwing this information out there just to have all things on the table going forward.

EDIT: Additional comment

Loque'nahak is an odd pet to even toss into consideration at this point. Northrend just opened a week ago, so the spawn rate on this rare beast is being stalked by hundreds of hunters (Horde & Alliance). I have made a few early morning passes though the Basin hoping he appears, but realistically it is too early. I have seen one poorly geared/itemized hunter with this pet on my server so far.

 

Aerynlore

I am 100% sure that Steady Shot is a 2.0s cast time, now, and all of the sites (wowhead, wowdb, mmo-champ) are incorrect. This was an early change in the Beta as a way to combat the added Haste given from Windfury totem, but even with that change, hunters still were too high on the DPS charts, so they pulled WF from affecting ranged haste (but left the 2.0s SS).

 

ElginRoko

Yeah, that's a good build if you're really struggling on the hit, it's probably still the worst dps gain per point you're taking from MM, but that's more a statement about the strength of low MM than it is about the value of focused aim.

20% crit will be closer to 27% with master tactician taken into account, and then your're getting 4% more crit on steadies and 13% on explosives. With 2/3 EW you should expect about 88% uptime with those stats, and with 3/5 HP expect 99.3% uptime (would be 96% with 2/5).

For insurance reasons. Yes. That, and for freedom.

 

Xaraphyne

Steady Shot is now a 2.0 sec base cast.

 

Ktharsis

I think the root of the confusion is that hunter tooltips do not update to reflect haste gear/talents the way caster tooltips do.

I play a BM hunter with the usual talents and my steady shot clearly finishes casting in the same time as the global cooldown, but the tooltip still reads 2.0s regardless.

 

Lohegrin

yes, I got 650 avg steadies without sting, then 715 with it. And yes, I was shooting at the level 80 dummies.