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Old 12/26/08, 1:42 PM   #436
TrevvyTrev
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Gilneas
Originally Posted by Maleficium View Post
Hello there
Also if using a Scorpion should I go for both Cobra Reflexes? Since Frenzy will proc also am thinking it is prolly a better overall DPS increase.
Cobra Reflexes is always a dps increase for every pet. It lowers the max damage some, but it increases haste even more, which results in a net dps increase. You should only ever skip it if you aren't trying to maximize dps (if, for example, you wanted to make a max/survivability/utility pet).

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Old 12/28/08, 7:05 AM   #437
Valinnor
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Blood Elf Hunter
 
Mal'Ganis
I kinda feel like an idiot asking this but I saw in the surv thread that the hit cap was no longer 9% but rather 8%....is this true? And if so when the hell did this happen? I hear the spreadsheet has this as the hitcap but I'm absolutely inept at getting it to work and figure I can be lazy and ask you guys.

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Old 12/28/08, 7:21 AM   #438
locriani
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Tauren Shaman
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Maleficium View Post
...have noticed and read in lots of WWS that scorpid poison did a LOT of dmg. In fact 43% of all dmg done on one particular.

This kind of took me by surprise since I heard wolf/core hounds was the way to go for BM and raids in Wotlk...
Scorpid pets are currently the top DPS pets available to BM hunters; however, only ONE scorpid pet is useable per raid group (poison does not stack.) Immediately following are the Core Hounds and Devilsaurs, closely followed by cats.

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Old 12/28/08, 7:57 AM   #439
Ikuzo
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Moonrunner
Originally Posted by locriani View Post
Scorpid pets are currently the top DPS pets available to BM hunters; however, only ONE scorpid pet is useable per raid group (poison does not stack.) Immediately following are the Core Hounds and Devilsaurs, closely followed by cats.
This is quite contrary to anythng I've read so far. I have done to testing myself, but it seems the general consensus is that scorpids are still on top followed by cats by a wide margin, despite the nerf to their specials. Did you come up with this information on PTR or live? Is this from controlled testing, or random raid performance?
I don't mean to sound combative, I'm just curious to know where you're drawing your conclusions from.

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Old 12/28/08, 2:51 PM   #440
Deathstalkr
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Dragonmaw
Originally Posted by locriani View Post
Scorpid pets are currently the top DPS pets available to BM hunters; however, only ONE scorpid pet is useable per raid group (poison does not stack.)
It was thought of in BC that Scorpid's weren't to be used with an Elemental Shaman in the raid. Did the mechanics of that class change and I missed it?

Thanks in advance.

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Old 12/28/08, 3:14 PM   #441
Bullshot
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The Maelstrom (EU)
Originally Posted by Deathstalkr View Post
It was thought of in BC that Scorpid's weren't to be used with an Elemental Shaman in the raid. Did the mechanics of that class change and I missed it?

Thanks in advance.
Those were wind serpents due to their Lightning Breath, not scorpids.

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Old 12/28/08, 3:31 PM   #442
Shibam
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Tauren Hunter
 
Hellscream
Originally Posted by Crowbite View Post
Speed boosts are great for the same reason that speed enchants are great for players. Faster target acquisition and better survivability.

I've been thinking about this about every raid, but is it not worth it to have prowl on while raiding. I was thinking the 50% dmg boost for 1 attack probably not equal to the extra hits it would get by getting there faster.

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Old 12/29/08, 2:05 PM   #443
TrevvyTrev
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Gilneas
Originally Posted by Shibam View Post
I've been thinking about this about every raid, but is it not worth it to have prowl on while raiding. I was thinking the 50% dmg boost for 1 attack probably not equal to the extra hits it would get by getting there faster.
Prowl also isn't raid-worthy because the pet will break it before reaching the target with Charge or Rabid if you have them, nullifying the bonus.

Originally Posted by Deathstalkr View Post
It was thought of in BC that Scorpid's weren't to be used with an Elemental Shaman in the raid. Did the mechanics of that class change and I missed it?
As someone else pointed out, that was wind serpent, plus it was enhancement shamans, not elemental. The attacks used to eat stormstrike charges. Now, however, only the enhancement shaman gains from those charges, so you can use whatever nature damage pet you want.

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Old 12/29/08, 3:02 PM   #444
StareAtTheSuN442
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Tefri
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Ysera
Quick question:

Is their any way that I can macro something to get my pet (Devilsaur) to use his focus-dumps more often? I hate seeing him sit at full focus!

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Old 12/29/08, 4:44 PM   #445
Elendril
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Ner'zhul
Assuming you have autocasts on, the issue is that your pet is generating more focus than it can spend each global cooldown - the combination of bestial discipline and gftt can do that.

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Old 12/29/08, 5:05 PM   #446
StareAtTheSuN442
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Tefri
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Ysera
Thats what I figured, but i didnt know if you could macro in like bite or something, pet skills are so buggy, its just hard to tell if its casting as much as possible

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Old 12/29/08, 6:27 PM   #447
TrevvyTrev
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Gilneas
Originally Posted by StareAtTheSuN442 View Post
Thats what I figured, but i didnt know if you could macro in like bite or something, pet skills are so buggy, its just hard to tell if its casting as much as possible
Watch the pet bar. You should see the global cooldown "pie" refreshing constantly. If it isn't, then you know it isn't autocasting. If it is, then you are just generating excess focus and may want to consider pulling a point from a focus generating talent and putting it elsewhere.

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Old 12/29/08, 7:42 PM   #448
Osakaa
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Sunstrider (EU)
I tried to search for this in other threads but I didn't find it. I'm trying to figure out some sort of general guidelines for stat priorities as a BM hunter. After getting to the hit cap, I've been gemming my gear with AP and Crit, and been glad when some gear has some Armor Pen or Haste.

Now, how would you prioritize the benefits of Armor Pen and Haste? Is there a point where Armor Pen is worth more than some crit rating or ap? I know that Haste only speeds up my Auto Shot as a BM hunter with Serpent's Swiftness, so is this just a nice add on an item or is it better than I thought?

Note; I'm really, really bad with Excel and spreadsheets. Some general opinion would suffice to my question really.

Thanks for answers.

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Old 12/30/08, 5:01 AM   #449
Krempin
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Troll Hunter
 
Turalyon (EU)
Originally Posted by Osakaa View Post
Now, how would you prioritize the benefits of Armor Pen and Haste? Is there a point where Armor Pen is worth more than some crit rating or ap? I know that Haste only speeds up my Auto Shot as a BM hunter with Serpent's Swiftness, so is this just a nice add on an item or is it better than I thought?
I would say that for BM hunter hit > AP > crit > agi > int > haste > armor penetration. As for Armor Pen versus AP/crit - always take AP/crit.

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Old 12/30/08, 6:12 AM   #450
tj5552ishere
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Draenei Hunter
 
Farstriders
with the new patch coming and the nerf to BM, do you guys suggest staying bm or going to MM or Surv. i just tested my dps in MM/surv (going to trueshot and getting expose weakness and master tactician. my dps droped from 3200-2100. i think i might be doing something wrong so im wondering should i still stay BM or try pure mark, or pure surv? this is my spec in BM
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...h=181306000000

this is my spec in Surv/Mark

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...h=000000000000

Last edited by tj5552ishere : 12/30/08 at 6:43 AM.

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