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Old 04/22/09, 8:47 PM   #1001
Zigazaha
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Kel'Thuzad
Originally Posted by Catcher6250 View Post
I have a question, is a point in GftT or Aimed Shot really worth a last point in Hunting Party?
It's debatable if aimed shot is worth more than hunting party or not, but because of the movement in fights I choose to take it.
One point in GffT will ALWAYS be better than one point in hunting party though.

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Old 04/22/09, 11:34 PM   #1002
Jarakal
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Gear Question

I was wondering about wich combination of items i should use as a survivalist hunter:

Journey's End + Grim Toll

or

Black Ice + Mirror of Truth



I'm not sure about how good is Armor penetration rating for survival, plus i get fewer agi points if i use the first combo. Please help me :P

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Old 04/23/09, 4:56 AM   #1003
Squinky001
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Draenei Hunter
 
Silver Hand
Originally Posted by Catcher6250 View Post
I have a question, is a point in GftT or Aimed Shot really worth a last point in Hunting Party?

I see the spread sheet my DPS goes down when I use aimed shot instead of multi-shot. So why does everybody use aimed shot
Have you adjusted the Shot Priorities on the Shot Rotation tab as well as re-run the Rotation Test?

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Old 04/23/09, 6:26 AM   #1004
Burks
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Sen'jin
Is anyone able to link me a list up-to-date of the current best in slot items for hunters? Maxdps.com doesn't seem to be very accurate.

And can anyone update me on the current glyphs I should be using? Is it Explosive Shot, Kill Shot and Serpent Sting?

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Old 04/23/09, 9:34 AM   #1005
Nooska
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Argent Dawn (EU)
Originally Posted by Burks View Post
Is anyone able to link me a list up-to-date of the current best in slot items for hunters? Maxdps.com doesn't seem to be very accurate.

And can anyone update me on the current glyphs I should be using? Is it Explosive Shot, Kill Shot and Serpent Sting?
No.

Can't answer that.

To elaborate slightly, you are not providing anyone with enough information to even start guessing what would be the best for you. Download the spreadsheet and play around with it if you have access to excel.

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Old 04/23/09, 11:02 AM   #1006
Burks
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Originally Posted by Nooska View Post
No.

Can't answer that.

To elaborate slightly, you are not providing anyone with enough information to even start guessing what would be the best for you. Download the spreadsheet and play around with it if you have access to excel.
Question didn't need to be elaborated too much to be answered...

What would be the best glyph choices for the standard Survival raiding spec 0/14/57 (No aimed.)

Out of glyphs I could choose:

Glyph of Explosive Shot - 4% Crit to Explosive Shot.
Glyph of Kill Shot - 6 Seconds off Kill Shot cooldown.
Glyph of Serpent Sting - Increase duration of Serpent Sting by 6 seconds.
Glyph of Steady Shot - Increase damage of Steady Shot by 10% while Serpent Sting is active.
Glyph of Multi Shot - 1 Second of the Multishot Cooldown.
(if I was to take Aimed) Glyph of Aimed Shot - 2 Seconds off Aimed Shot Cooldown.

Now, which out of those glyphs would maximize my DPS?

I was thinking (as I put in my first post,) that the best choices would be Explosive Shot, Kill Shot and Serpent Sting Glyphs. But then I also have the choices of either glyph of Steady Shot in the place of glyph of Serpent Sting, or instead of either of those go with Glyph of Aimed or Multi (depending on whichever provides bigger numbers.)
Or would I not go with Kill Shot at all and just get Steady Shot and Serpent Sting, or Serpent Sting and Aimed/Multi?

I used to roll with Steady/SerpS/Hawk, but now that Survival no longer dips into BM, Hawk is replaced by Explosive. I'm debating between Kill Shot and SerpS or SerpS and Aimed, but I don't know which would provide bigger numbers.

Did I elaborate enough?

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Old 04/23/09, 12:47 PM   #1007
Enova
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Moonglade (EU)
Originally Posted by Catcher6250 View Post
I have a question, is a point in GftT or Aimed Shot really worth a last point in Hunting Party?

I see the spread sheet my DPS goes down when I use aimed shot instead of multi-shot. So why does everybody use aimed shot
Aside from adjusting your rotations in the appropriate tab, did you glyph for it? Glyph of Aimed Shot - Item - World of Warcraft and [Glyph of Multi-Shot]?

Sorry; the item link for the AS glyph isn't working

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In summary, TBC raiding is easy. 9/10 encounters can be summarized with 1 phrase. Stay out of the fucking fire. If this is too difficult BWL was still there last I checked, so go have at it for some practice.
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You people are idiots
Guilty as charged ^

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Old 04/23/09, 7:18 PM   #1008
kobh
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Sylvanas (EU)
Hello, my guild just entered Ulduar, and we have cleared the siege-part so far.
Since the gear has started to drop, i have been starting to think about set-bonuses. I play BM, and i have been trying to find the answer to whether or not the Valorous Cryptstalker(2) -Bonus (+5% pet damage) is worth keeping over Scourgestalker? Any thoughts on this?

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Old 04/23/09, 9:20 PM   #1009
SerixTB
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Thorium Brotherhood
Can some confirm if the Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket produces higher DPS than the +44AP enchant? I am BM spec.

Permanently attaches a hand-mounted pyro rocket launcher to your gloves, allowing a skilled engineer to deal 1440 to 1760 Fire damage to an enemy at range. The rocket can only be fired once every minute.
I believe it is on a 45sec CD instead of 1min.

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Old 04/24/09, 4:52 AM   #1010
Nooska
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Argent Dawn (EU)
Originally Posted by kobh View Post
Hello, my guild just entered Ulduar, and we have cleared the siege-part so far.
Since the gear has started to drop, i have been starting to think about set-bonuses. I play BM, and i have been trying to find the answer to whether or not the Valorous Cryptstalker(2) -Bonus (+5% pet damage) is worth keeping over Scourgestalker? Any thoughts on this?
As BM your pet does roughtly half your damage. That means the 5% bonus is an increase of 2.5% dps - that scales.

As BM even the old [Beast-tamer's Shoulders] is an upgrade over t8 gear - especially if you have the 2t7 covered elsewhere.
For BM this bonus is probably irreplaceable as you would need to find gear for those 2 slots (taken by the 2t7) that alone provide a scaling 2.5% dps increase (at 5k dps thats 125 dps) and the better the rest of your gear gets, the better the bonus becomes. - go with bot 2t8 and 2t7 if you can, but 2t7 definately beats 2t8 + stat upgrades from the t8 - 2t7 even beats 4t8 according to some of the math that was done.

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Old 04/24/09, 11:36 AM   #1011
• Jessamy
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Originally Posted by SerixTB View Post
Can some confirm if the Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket produces higher DPS than the +44AP enchant? I am BM spec.
(1440 + 1760) / (2 * 45) = 35.6 dps

It does not scale from spell power, but it does benefit from spell crit chance, and it benefits from boss debuffs that increase fire damage and crit rate, such as Improved Scorch. With raid buffs, the enchant should give ~ 50 dps. Is that more than you and your pet would gain from 44 AP? If so, it's better.

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Old 04/24/09, 11:51 AM   #1012
Tîberius
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Vek'nilash
I have noticed the gear in Ulduar has alot of Armor penetration on most of it. What good is armor penetration to a survival hunter?

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Old 04/24/09, 1:34 PM   #1013
TrevvyTrev
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Gilneas
Originally Posted by Tîberius View Post
I have noticed the gear in Ulduar has alot of Armor penetration on most of it. What good is armor penetration to a survival hunter?
It increases the damage of your auto shots, steady shots, multi-shots and aimed ahots (if you use them). Add up your total damage from all of those things and that's how much of your damage it will affect. This may make it better for SV than some things like haste, which is what the armor penetration tends to replace when compared to Naxx gear (but that depends on how much you have).

I'm not entirely sure what the question is, though. If you're asking if it's less useful to a survival hunter than say, a BM hunter, then the answer is yes. If you're asking whether you'll see a dps upgrade from a certain piece or set of Ulduar gear then that's not remotely a simple question with a simple answer.

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Old 04/24/09, 2:19 PM   #1014
Tîberius
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ok... i was led to believe that it was only useful for hunters in pve and that bosses had an extremely high amount of armor and it just wasnt good enough to trade for.

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Old 04/24/09, 5:28 PM   #1015
mistashizzle
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Mug'thol
Just a quick question about how much latency actually affects your DPS. I'm running on windows vista on a wireless connection and for some reason according to quartz I have about 300-400 MS on my most of my shots. My ping in game is never below 200, generally 200-400.

I would like to believe I generally know what I am doing and was wondering if this could contribute to my lower DPS. It isn't bad, I hit an average of 5k depending on the mobility of the boss, but before 3.1 on patchwerk my DPS was in the mid 4ks. My gear is mostly BiS (pre 3.1 ofc).

Last edited by mistashizzle : 04/27/09 at 8:21 PM.

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Old 04/24/09, 5:56 PM   #1016
TrevvyTrev
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Gilneas
Originally Posted by Tîberius View Post
ok... i was led to believe that it was only useful for hunters in pve and that bosses had an extremely high amount of armor and it just wasnt good enough to trade for.
That's what makes it a "not so simple" question. Whether Armor Penetration is good enough to trade for depends entirely on what you're trading. As a general (but not ironclad) rule, it's better than haste is for hunters, but whether it's better than crit or hit or AP or AGI depends on many other factors, not the least of which is what your other stats already are. It's not even as simple as it's worth it for one spec and not for another. The closest you can say is that BM gets the most out of it (because more of their shot damage is physical) and survival probably gets the least out of it.

This is one of those "plug it into the spreadsheet" questions, unfortunately.

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Old 04/25/09, 2:08 PM   #1017
Chasim
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Dwarf Hunter
 
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3.1 Survival PvP Build

With dual-talents implemented, I may actually start PvPing in WotLK. (I am 0/15/56 for PvE.)

I am thinking about this spec for PvP:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

- I have basically traded Careful Aim and 1 point in GftT for Entrapment and Scatter Shot. I am wondering about whether I should be skipping Hawk Eye (which seems like it would be very nice for Battlegrounds, although less important in Arenas). I am also wondering about not having Counterattack (I am just not sure it's worth the 3 required points in Deflection). Also Sniper Training - the increased crit on Kill Shot would be nice, but not standing still (especially in Arenas) may make it worth skipping. Finally, Hunting Party seems like it may be a waste for 2v2 Arena, at least.

Any thoughts?

[Edited to add glyphs.]

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Old 04/25/09, 5:11 PM   #1018
arlen
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I would skip replenishment unless you find yourself needing the mana. It was hotfixed for arenas to only effect the character and not entire team.

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Replenishment Change For Arenas

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Old 04/26/09, 1:51 AM   #1019
Burks
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Dwarf Warrior
 
Sen'jin
Is it better to stack ArP gems rather agility now as survival post 3.1?

And would it be better to use Grim Toll and Fury of the Fight Flights, or is Greatness still best in slot for Surv?

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Old 04/26/09, 9:20 AM   #1020
Volpe39
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Hakkar (EU)
4 pieces T8 bonus

Hi guys
I'm currently writing down my Ulduar wishlist and I was wondering if the 4-pieces T8 bonus set is "compulsory".
In other words, should I put 4 T8 pieces in my wishlist (to get the 600ap proc buff) or it is better to have completely off set gears?
If you recommend to have 4 pieces of T8, which piece of gear would you go off set with?
Thanks

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Old 04/26/09, 12:35 PM   #1021
Zigazaha
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Kel'Thuzad
Originally Posted by Volpe39 View Post
Hi guys
I'm currently writing down my Ulduar wishlist and I was wondering if the 4-pieces T8 bonus set is "compulsory".
In other words, should I put 4 T8 pieces in my wishlist (to get the 600ap proc buff) or it is better to have completely off set gears?
If you recommend to have 4 pieces of T8, which piece of gear would you go off set with?
Thanks
4 Piece t8 with saronite mesh legguards is the best combination.
Best Possible DPS in Shandaras WotLK Spreadsheet
Visit that link to view what is currently considered "Best in Slot".
Keep in mind this page doesn't include undiscovered hardmode loot.

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Old 04/26/09, 6:08 PM   #1022
Freetard
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Stormrage (EU)
Originally Posted by Burks View Post
Is it better to stack ArP gems rather agility now as survival post 3.1?

And would it be better to use Grim Toll and Fury of the Fight Flights, or is Greatness still best in slot for Surv?
No, even after the change to ArP it's not worth gemming for over agility for survival. And no, don't use Grim Toll over Greatness. The proc alone isn't good enough to warrant using Grim Toll for over Greatness, if hitcapped, or close to hitcapped.

In fact I don't see us switching out Greatness for quite some time, at least until we know what trinkets drop in hardmode Ulduar.

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Old 04/27/09, 8:09 PM   #1023
Toxicus
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Lightning's Blade
Since i didnt see a specific thread in regards to it, i figured this would be the best place to ask this question.

Is there a current PVP spec for hunters that is up to date with the new 3.1 changes? I saw the post earlier from Chasim about his PVP spec, but is that what everyone else is using also and have found to be most efficient in arena's?

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Old 04/28/09, 2:15 AM   #1024
Iroared
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Черный Шрам (EU)
Since i didnt see a specific thread in regards to it, i figured this would be the best place to ask this question.

Is there a current PVP spec for hunters that is up to date with the new 3.1 changes? I saw the post earlier from Chasim about his PVP spec, but is that what everyone else is using also and have found to be most efficient in arena's?
Probably 0/15/51 and 5 points in whatever you like better. It doesn't seem like you should be experiencing mana issues, especially if you can get some viper sting ticks off (e.g. use it right before scattershot or frost trap), and replenishment was changed for arenas so that your healer will not benefit from it anymore. Imp. stings is decent, or you can go all out on endurance training.

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Old 04/28/09, 8:08 AM   #1025
seridosgunner
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Trollbane
My question pertains to elixirs and flasks, When i raid with my guild i use elixirs of agility and wisdom. with this my DPs ranges from 3400 to 3800 raid buffed(this combo offers more crits). I also tried a flask of endless rage with raid buffs on, and my DPs ranged from 3600 to 3900 DPs . Which one is better?

Are we looking for heavy crits or attack power?

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