You answered your own question: which ever one produces more DPS is better.

You're a pure damage dealing class (ignoring the small raid buff utility each tree brings) so your role in the raid is to get things to dead as quickly as possible given the mechanics of the fight. Higher Damage Per Second (DPS) equals dead sooner, all other things being equal so the answer is always what gives the higher DPS. Crits & AP are just how you get there.

Check the PvP thread.

There is no PvP thread.

[Hunter] The PvP Thread

Thanks , I thought so. ill chalk it up to a Brian fog moment......

With the change to base pet focus regen (5 per second, believe it use to be 10) and Explosive shot not proc'ing GFTT the spreadsheet shows a 35dps gain if I take a point out of hunting party and put a second point in GFTT. I did a test on the lvl83 dummy and with only 1 point my pet was sometimes focus starved but with 2 points it only got below 50 once and then quickly shot back up.

Am I understanding things correctly that it may be better to max out GFTT now?

3.1.1 no Focus on ES, GftT 2/2 greatly improved the pet skill damage amount

3.1.1a can't test, server still down


Question regarding Pet GCD 1.25s
Furious Howl (wolf) seems to be GCD independent, about noticed Bite damage being closer than 1.25s
Is the pet GCD effected by raid haste buffs?

ok im doin something horribly.......horribly wrong been reading up on the forum fer a couple of days got some really good pointers ((ty all BTW)) ........but im having a problem w/ my DPS, in raids its alittle better then heroics but im always the lowest on the meters . even when im rolling w/ other hunters similar specs and there almost double i go to look them up in the armory and there same spec even the stats are similar ...........i was in a pug last week and i had some rogue say i should be ashamed of my dps i think maybe my shot rotations are all wrong ...i dont know The World of Warcraft Armory

Without a WWS I can't tell you more, but some things:
Hit Rating: You're about 1% under hit. You need to fix that. Look at getting another hit gem and some hit enchants.
Gems: Why do you have a +stam gem in your belt? Agility or Hit will do more for you. Also, the gem in your helmet should be Agility, not AP.
Gear: You desperately need a new helmet. You've aquired enough emblems that you should be able to upgrade several pieces of your gear.

Mostly it just looks like you need better gear. I don't know what your rotation looks like, so can't comment on that.

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So I picked up a pair of these in my 25 naxx last week, and I'm debating whether or not to sell them. I have the arachnoid gold bands ready to go if i do sell them and hit rating is last thing I'm worried about since i got the pyrite infuser from FL. I also don't have any form of steady income (to lazy to do dailies and my professions are shit). Should I sell them? Or use them.

Agility. You shouldn't be gemming for haste.

I've been scouring the threads for data and information with regards to the GfTT talent - ever since patch 3.1 has struck in, I've been puzzled and confused with the "new focus generation" for our pets. I currently have 37% crit unbuffed as SV with 1 pt invested in GfTT which is certaintly not causing my pet to become focus starved, but would another point specd into it prove of any use (baring in mind of the new focus regen)?

Glyphs
Additionally, per armory's look at your SV spec, your glyphs aren't very good. For your major glyphs, you have Rapid Fire, Hunters Mark and Steady Shot. Here are the problems with that:

Hunter's Mark: While ultimately, not the worst choice, you have no additionally points in Improved Hunters Mark (MM tree talent), offsetting the added DPS bonuses you would get from this...

Rapid Fire: Again, not the worst, however, all this does is add 8% to rapid fire haste, which is only every 5 minutes (because you aren't spec'd in Rapid Killing (MM Tree talent). If used in a H dungeon/raid everytime its up, the 8% increase in speed does not add significant DPS because its only used every 5 minutes.

Steady Shot: Not bad, but can be swapped with Glyph of Serpent Sting as your tertiary glyph. (see previous posts)

As an SV Hunter (per previous postings), best glyphs (based on ideal shot rotation) are Explosive Shot, Kill Shot and either Steady or Serpent Sting.

Shot Rotation
If I had to assume (which I certainly prefer not too), I'd say that you are probably relying on Steady Shot far more than you should. Previous to most recent patches, Steady Shot was a great shot. Now, its simply a gap filler in between all your other shots. Go back thru the SV Hunter forums and read up on the optimum shot rotations (and reasons why) for SV spec and your DPS should improve quite a bit.

Certainly, gear factors into play, but even with what you are wearing, there is no reason you should be last on the Dmg/DPS charts.

Focus regen didn't change in 3.1. It was discovered that the spreadsheet had been calculating it wrong all along (or at least since the "smooth regen" of 3.0 or so) and Shandara corrected it. Whatever was actually working well for you before 3.1 should still work, and the only difference is that the spreadsheet should do a better job of predicting the impact of changing pet regen talents (like GftT or Bestial Discipline).

So the simple answer to your question is to change your spec in the spreadsheet to see whether moving another point into GftT would help you.

That's not entirely true. Passive regen may not have changed, but explosive shot ticks no longer proc GftT, which has reduced focus regen rates for SV pets.

That's a bug, and it's fixed in the patch on the PTR today, apparently:

"Go For The Throat: Explosive Shot critical strikes now trigger this talent."

The point is that referring to "focus regen changes" makes it seem like there's a deliberate redesign going on, and there isn't.

Can someone with PTR access test if that fix has also rectified the same problem occuring with Fury of the Five Flights. It will save me going and buying another MoT!

I recently looted Siren's Cry and I have mixed feelings on if it is an upgrade over my current Envoy of Mortality. (Dwarf Hunter)
So, here's my question. What is the BEST method for hunter DPS testing. I am looking specific steps on how hunters use the heroic testing dummies.

How much ammo gives "valid" results?
Should Pets be used when gear testing? Or Just for Overall Hunter Dmg?
What type ammo shuld be used? (BEST Saronite arrows etc) or just use vendor arrows to see differences...

If anyone can post a good DPS test guide I would appreciate it.

Don't forget that dwarfs get 1% crit using guns. That's huge. The spreadsheet with my gear shows Siren's Cry is a downgrade from Envoy for dwarfs. Hold out for Giant's Bane.

Can i ask about replenishment? Does it stack?

If 2 hunters both have Hunting Party, will replenishment be higher?
How abt 1 hunter and 1 ret pally?

Thanks.

Replenishment does not stack; it is of the category of buffs that is overridden if there is another, identical buff around. The only reason to have more than 1 source of replenishment, ideally, is in a 25-man raid, where you could need up to 3 if the entire raid used mana. Replenishment is the same for each class that gives it, as well; Ret Pallys give the same buff SV Hunters give, as do SPriests.