Simply put, none if your raid already has a ret pally. Sanctified Retribution will provide the same effect without lowering the contribution to the raid of your producing better personal DPS, and will be up 100% of the time.

If you don't have a ret pally in your raid then it's a different story and the answer is group make-up specific.

Remember a ret pally brings the same 3% buff and is generally a better source than a BM hunter (its an aura, not a proc based buff, and they don't have to spec into a sub standard spec to bring it).

If you don't have a ret pally though, having a hunter spec BM will be very dependant on the hunters skill, and the encounter. If the hunter can keep the pet alive and DPSing 100% of the time, then it will be almost always better to bring a BM than SV. This also assumes that you are getting your replen from somewhere else as well.

For non-so pet friendly fights (where they have to be pulled out alot), or if the hunter can't keep their pet up, then its really going to depend on the fight (or more specificly, the up time of FI)


edit: too slow.

Ok maybe i am having an issue finding this, or have just skimmed past it searching through the hundred's of posts.

Does anyone know if the T8 Set bonus is on an ICD or not? I can't seem to find a definitive answer. I've searched here and maybe im just searching the wrong area but there only seemed to be assumptions. Google didnt produce much success either.. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time

According to Wowhead (which one should use before google?) the internal CD is 45 seconds. I do not have proven this ingame though.

Item - Hunter T8 4P Bonus - Spell - World of Warcraft

Yes but according to that, it seems the comments are assumptions.. And it was a generalized "Well assuming it has an internal CD"


What i'd like to know is if anyone has any actual proof of it, i don't have any set bonus at the moment so i can't test it.

Since 3.1 hit I've had no clue what specc are top dps and for even longer then that, pvp speccs has been even more confusing. Now I know this ain't exactly PvP forums, and I'm gonna ask at Arenajunkies aswell, but I just thought i'd check here first. PvE first though!

PvE
What specc is top dps? Is it Survival or Marksmanship? Some say Surv is best until you reach a certain gearlevel, and then MMS is better. Where is that line drawn? What speccs and glyphs should I be using?
My armory: The World of Warcraft Armory

PvP
Same goes for PvP, what specc and glyphs should I be using? Generally Surv seems to be most used, but MMS has a lot of utility, and so do BM aswell. I just keep getting so much options, please go back to BC with faceroll 41/20/00 specc

I am currently survival specced, but have gone far enough down the MM tree to get Aimed shot.

My question is this, should I use Aimed Shot or Multi Shot in a single target fight?

I have seen mentioned that Multi Shot is good .... but I am assuming that against a single target, only ONE of the three shots will strike ..... is this correct?

Help please - I am a little confused

If you're specced for it, use Aim over multi for one target. It benefits from Sniper Training unlike multi.

Against a single target aimed and multi are the same base damage, multi just costs more mana. Aimed shot is modified by sniper training so when that buff is up aimed does 6% more damage for a lower mana cost than multi shot.

I'll let you do the math, but aimed is more for less on one target, anything more then go multi (unless there is CC or you need the debuff).

Doesn't multi also have a .5 cast time, making it even worse?

Yes it does.

Ive looked for a raiding compendium of sorts and could not find one. so my question is What are the two highest dps professions for a MM hunter

Jewelcrafting is typically the best. Reason being the 3 Dragon's Eyes you can have in your gear. Each one acts as a prismatic so the Meta gem is always activated and other quality socket bonuses are achieved without having to settle for lesser gems such as a green gem or an Enchanted Tear.

Blacksmithing is the other one people like because of the sockets you can add to gear. But I'm pretty sure the 114 AP to bracer via Leatherworking and/or the Alchemy Mixology affect with flasks nets the same AP increase. My professions are Jewelcrafting/Alchemy and I'm very pleased with both in respect to DPS.

Jewelcrafting definitely for the reasons you suggested. Also Blacksmithing, it's straight up superior to Alchemy/Leatherworking because it gives the possibility of 32 Agi instead of 64 AP, which for hunters is worth more. Also it opens up possibilities to slot in 16 hit ratings if you need, thus providing you with more freedom in your gearing and gemming. To some extent, the JC gems do the same.

Announced changes to Hunter ranged weapons, to deal with the lack of ammo upgrades:
It sounds like this is a change to the actual displayed damage on the bow/gun, not internal, so it should be easy to compare.

With the change to iLvl226+ weapons going live this week, would this be more of a buff to Marks over Survival?

Hi everyone,

I've seen several suggestions for using JCing/LWer as your professions. Has anyone done the math on how much of an increase in DPS would result in switching from Skinning/LWer to JCer/LWer?

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Use the spreadsheet. It's a lot. Skinning is very poor.

While on the subject of this weapon/ammo change, anyone else disappointed that it will be "a few tiers of content" before we see the reworked ammo? Assuming GC means T10/11(??) that could easily push the changes into the next expansion pack, hopefully they will clarify at Blizzcon.

It's a shame these class-specific changes are given such low priority (along with totem changes etc).
I've always wondered too why they didn't just remove ammo from the game and give hunters a relic of sorts. Give it a appropriate iLvl and have 1/2 added with new tiers of content. Ideally they should be badge vendor only, as Ulduar has only been out a month or so and my guild is already fed up of seeing useless totems/relics drop from bosses.

this question has probably been answered, but is or does armor penetration effect hunters by much? alot?

This has been answered in multiple threads (including this one I think). Yes, ArP helps hunters. How much by is spec dependent due to the spec's varying use of physical DPS (BM the most, SV the least). In at least one of the spec-specific threads, an analysis was done of the break-even point for stacking ArP vs other stats and its lower than was expected but not low enough to make ArP overpowering.

Generally, like haste, ArP is not a stat to avoid but isn't a stat to seek either. For specific suggestions for your gear & build, use the spreadshhet

Nevermind, found the answer.